What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Buddy boy, you're proof of your own forgetfulness. Do you remember this?

And really, I still side with Empire, but only in a reasonable setting. Space invaders with Force powers and laser technology (and some freaking air units) getting the jump on a nuclear nation with some quarter million of its troops overseas will scare/blast America in to submission. But you're little spite thread leaves little room for reason, doesn't it, Mike?

In a worldwide conflict, if America alone is attacked, and loses, America's enemies will side with their destroyers. The religious fanatics will view it as divine providence, and China, Russia (why you mentioned the as-of-yet non-nuclear Iran I don't know), and India will not mess with America's space-conquerors. Meanwhile America's much-weaker-than-them allies will capitulate.

And you handicapped the Empire TOO MUCH. Get this through your lead skull. Handicapping is fine, but deal it in moderation. You gave Earth intimate knowledge of the Empire, unified Earth against the Empire, set the Empire off in South America of all f*cking places, and denied them any air units, supplies, or even some lowly transports. With all these handicaps, Earth PWNS the motherf*cker out of the Empire.

When we asked for changes, we were asking for you to even the playing field but instead you threw it out of whack. YOU FAIL.

I put them in Mexico FIRST (which is close to America) but then you complained about them being TOO CLOSE to a world power so then I moved them to South America BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THEM BEING IN MEXICO!!!! What else do you except me to do: put them in the middle of America?

As far as I can see, the Empire doesn't use sea transports, yes I did denied them air/space transport (to prevent this from being a spite against EARTH) but they DO have AT-ATs which stands for all terrain ARMORED TRANSPORT so yes they don't have "lowly" transports they have badass giant transports. AND I DID GIVE THEM SUPPLIES! Enough to last them from south america do (I forgot where...somewhere around the USA I believe...) which is ENOUGH FOR THEM TO GET TO AMERICA!!! Plus, according to Nemesis, THEY DON'T NEED SUPPLIES!!!

And why are we arguing? We both agree that Earth wins, OK so you think that it's a spite (which it isn't) but there are a TON of spite threads out there that most people LAUGH at and don't throw a fit over. Just say so without getting so enraged.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I put them in Mexico FIRST (which is close to America) but then you complained about them being TOO CLOSE to a world power so then I moved them to South America BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THEM BEING IN MEXICO!!!! What else do you except me to do: put them in the middle of America?

Originally posted by Me
Well imagine if you knew the threat the Empire posed, and you knew the most efficient way to remove such a threat to our civilization was to wipe them out in one go. Where better to nuke the space invaders than the middle of the Mexican desert?

Now if Earth wasn't aware of the threat, being in Mexico wouldn't be as bad.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
As far as I can see, the Empire doesn't use sea transports, yes I did denied them air/space transport (to prevent this from being a spite against EARTH) but they DO have AT-ATs which stands for all terrain ARMORED TRANSPORT so yes they don't have "lowly" transports they have badass giant transports. AND I DID GIVE THEM SUPPLIES! Enough to last them from south america do (I forgot where...somewhere around the USA I believe...) which is ENOUGH FOR THEM TO GET TO AMERICA!!! Plus, according to Nemesis, THEY DON'T NEED SUPPLIES!!!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And why are we arguing? We both agree that Earth wins, OK so you think that it's a spite (which it isn't) but there are a TON of spite threads out there that most people LAUGH at and don't throw a fit over. Just say so without getting so enraged.

P.S. Don't accuse of me of "throwing a fit" and "getting enraged" when your the one with a love of caps lock and exclamation points.

Too far from America? How can you really get that much closer to the USA than Mexico (other than maybe Canada, which is about the same distance as Mexico)? Unless if you want them to be dropped off in the middle of America, I can't see why you're complaining.

How about this: they get 100 tie fighters, OK?

And again:

And also, why do you complain that Earth knows everything about the Empire? I first said that the Empire knew little about Earth, then after you whining I being GENEROUS gave the Empire near complete information (so that both know about the other really well instead of just the Earth knowing about the Empire), and yet you IGNORE it and just ramble some more? Why not pay back generosity with generosity like a civilized person?

Now let's stop this pointless arguing. We're both technically on the same side (Earth's) so if you think that it's a spite (which it isn't) then I'm so sorry for wasting your time w/this thread, OK? I (we, if you want to start actually making arguments for Earth, not that you have to) should be debating with Nemesis/Gideon, NOT someone who agrees (in a way) with me.

How about this: they get 100 tie fighters, OK?

?HWAT! YOU'RE SO BIASED! ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS? THIS IS A TOTAL STOMP FOR THE EMPIRE. 100 TIE FIGHTERS WILL MAKE IT RIDICULOUSLY UNFAIR!!

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
?HWAT! YOU'RE SO BIASED! ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS? THIS IS A TOTAL STOMP FOR THE EMPIRE. 100 TIE FIGHTERS WILL MAKE IT RIDICULOUSLY UNFAIR!!

You are obviously not being sarcastic since the great Nemesis is never like that. Therefore, I change my mind: they get 1 tie fighter.

I don't think TIEs even have shields.

America solos.

Maybe not, but they do make that awesome whooshing sound. That's ownage in itself.

You are obviously not being sarcastic since the great Nemesis is never like that.

Me:
I gave up sarcasm to better understand Irony.

k?

OMG U R SO BIASED AGAINST THE EMPIRE!! WTF?!?!?

hy all,new to this forum,got here accidentaly and i liked the topic ^.^

considering the numbers u gave them,we would win...100%.

1)a)Vader: considering he's the only guy in black armor running around armed with a shiny stick ,cutting ppl and throwing them around by moving his hand.also beging the one who gives the orders i'd say we would totally notice he's the leader fast.
k now we know his the best,he's the leader.Vader is powerfull,but he cant affect vehicles with his power...master Yoda barely lifted a small ship from the water ,how much batter could Vader be,if he even is better >.>.Vader cant just blow tanks and jets just by looking at them(he would've done it in the space ships battle with Luke when they blew the Death Star,nor he's fast enough to stop a bullet.at the speed a bullet moves,he wont even have time to raise his hand and use the force or move the lightsaber.i know he aint that fast because the lightsaber battles are rather slow.they move just like normal ppl.i could proly chalange him to a lightsaber only battle myself and even beat him is he didnt use the force and i'm not some kind of shaolin master.so if Vader isnt in-humanly fast,a sniper, shooting a super-sonic 50 cal bullet from 1 km right in his head...even if his armor wouldnt be pierced(considering its made from sth very stong),his neck would snap like a straw if not even his head would be ripped off(it can pass through a block of concrete,it can surely break a neck).also considering that by some miracle he survives,a tank shell is impossible to see with human eyes when its launched so Vader wouldnt be able to stop 3 sniper and 3 tanks shooting at him in the heat of battle(i just randomly chose 3,it could very well be a 50 ppl squad of snipers)...per total...Vader would be pwned fast. PS:a sniper can shoot a static target from 2 km.it can shoot Vader moving easly from 500m-1km,and thats waaay safe from the battle so they wouldnt be distracted.

1)b) considering they had a shield and Vader couldnt be sniped,we'd just bomb the land in frond and retreat,and when the vehicle that makes the shield is positioned corectly bang ...and its out,then see reference 1)a)

2)with Vader out of the way,there would be nobody left to control the army.they'd go into chaos and lose...but lets consider someone else takes control of the army.with Vader out of the way,a nuke can vaporize anything and everything on a diameter of 10 miles.and i mean vaporize,poof.the huge pressure,thermal radiation ,EMP that comes with the nuke would reduce their entire army to absolute 0.their machines wouldnt survive the EMP.the imense heat would just boile everybody in their armors and vehicles...it would be a massacre.also i'm sure that in such a case,the US wouldnt hesitate a moment to blow a nuke even in the center of NY to stop an alien invasion.they'd even be happy to do it cause they would test their bombs properly.

and such the imperial army would be taken out by a couple of snipers and a nuke.

they couldnt know where all the nuclear armament of the world is hidden,come oon,only god knows that.
if they could actually jam our radars and comunication...thus match their technology with ours(we dont know if they use electro-magnetic beams to comunicate in Star Wars),then we would most likely be able to do the same,even listen to their radios or defend from their jamming devices.considering they had some tech and could jam our beams but we couldnt mess with theirs,they couldnt just jam the entire planet...lets say they could,the Japanese would send kamikaze in the middle of the fight and blow the nukes manually(they had kamikaze in WW2).the snipers wouldnt need radios to shoot.

to sum up,with vader out of the way the army with the numbers u mentioned wouldnt have a change against us.0% chances.their walking vehicles cant pass tranches(the smaller ones they used in the woods(donno which AT is which)),they can be taken out by rocket lauchers,mines,attached bombs.the bigger ones can be taken out by just tieing their "legs"...there are plenty of ways to do it without the speeders:helicopters,romote control planes(the special ones the army has,not toy ones),they could even improvise one by tieing 2 rockets and shooting them each on one side of the AT.if the rockets dont colide,they will go around the AT super fast and do their job magnificently(this can be done by 2 smart soldiers with 2 rocket launchers and a string tied to the head of the rockets,they only need to get 2 legs,not all 4).the AT are stupidly created by George Lucas.they would totally fail in combat...totally.hell just shoot tank sheels in a big AT while the leg on the opposite side is in the air and the force(the real one) will bring it down.or u can tie a string around a leg of one big AT and the other side of the string around another AT and they will bring each other down.

about the 500k army...considering our bullets wont pass their armor(rocks did their job fine,but wtf lets make this harder for earth),just send an all out army of armored vehicles at them .

all of what i said is done on leveled ground so they would have an advantage.in cities,mountains,hills,the big AT would be shit and we'd have the overall advantage.

there is no way an army with the parameters u gave could beat Earth even with this shit tech we have...

Originally posted by radu1234
hy all,new to this forum,got here accidentaly and i liked the topic ^.^

considering the numbers u gave them,we would win...100%.

1)a)Vader: considering he's the only guy in black armor running around armed with a shiny stick ,cutting ppl and throwing them around by moving his hand.also beging the one who gives the orders i'd say we would totally notice he's the leader fast.
k now we know his the best,he's the leader.Vader is powerfull,but he cant affect vehicles with his power...master Yoda barely lifted a small ship from the water ,how much batter could Vader be,if he even is better >.>.Vader cant just blow tanks and jets just by looking at them(he would've done it in the space ships battle with Luke when they blew the Death Star,nor he's fast enough to stop a bullet.at the speed a bullet moves,he wont even have time to raise his hand and use the force or move the lightsaber.i know he aint that fast because the lightsaber battles are rather slow.they move just like normal ppl.i could proly chalange him to a lightsaber only battle myself and even beat him is he didnt use the force and i'm not some kind of shaolin master.so if Vader isnt in-humanly fast,a sniper, shooting a super-sonic 50 cal bullet from 1 km right in his head...even if his armor wouldnt be pierced(considering its made from sth very stong),his neck would snap like a straw if not even his head would be ripped off(it can pass through a block of concrete,it can surely break a neck).also considering that by some miracle he survives,a tank shell is impossible to see with human eyes when its launched so Vader wouldnt be able to stop 3 sniper and 3 tanks shooting at him in the heat of battle(i just randomly chose 3,it could very well be a 50 ppl squad of snipers)...per total...Vader would be pwned fast. PS:a sniper can shoot a static target from 2 km.it can shoot Vader moving easly from 500m-1km,and thats waaay safe from the battle so they wouldnt be distracted.

1)b) considering they had a shield and Vader couldnt be sniped,we'd just bomb the land in frond and retreat,and when the vehicle that makes the shield is positioned corectly bang ...and its out,then see reference 1)a)

2)with Vader out of the way,there would be nobody left to control the army.they'd go into chaos and lose...but lets consider someone else takes control of the army.with Vader out of the way,a nuke can vaporize anything and everything on a diameter of 10 miles.and i mean vaporize,poof.the huge pressure,thermal radiation ,EMP that comes with the nuke would reduce their entire army to absolute 0.their machines wouldnt survive the EMP.the imense heat would just boile everybody in their armors and vehicles...it would be a massacre.also i'm sure that in such a case,the US wouldnt hesitate a moment to blow a nuke even in the center of NY to stop an alien invasion.they'd even be happy to do it cause they would test their bombs properly.

and such the imperial army would be taken out by a couple of snipers and a nuke.

they couldnt know where all the nuclear armament of the world is hidden,come oon,only god knows that.
if they could actually jam our radars and comunication...thus match their technology with ours(we dont know if they use electro-magnetic beams to comunicate in Star Wars),then we would most likely be able to do the same,even listen to their radios or defend from their jamming devices.considering they had some tech and could jam our beams but we couldnt mess with theirs,they couldnt just jam the entire planet...lets say they could,the Japanese would send kamikaze in the middle of the fight and blow the nukes manually(they had kamikaze in WW2).the snipers wouldnt need radios to shoot.

to sum up,with vader out of the way the army with the numbers u mentioned wouldnt have a change against us.0% chances.their walking vehicles cant pass tranches(the smaller ones they used in the woods(donno which AT is which)),they can be taken out by rocket lauchers,mines,attached bombs.the bigger ones can be taken out by just tieing their "legs"...there are plenty of ways to do it without the speeders:helicopters,romote control planes(the special ones the army has,not toy ones),they could even improvise one by tieing 2 rockets and shooting them each on one side of the AT.if the rockets dont colide,they will go around the AT super fast and do their job magnificently(this can be done by 2 smart soldiers with 2 rocket launchers and a string tied to the head of the rockets,they only need to get 2 legs,not all 4).the AT are stupidly created by George Lucas.they would totally fail in combat...totally.hell just shoot tank sheels in a big AT while the leg on the opposite side is in the air and the force(the real one) will bring it down.or u can tie a string around a leg of one big AT and the other side of the string around another AT and they will bring each other down.

about the 500k army...considering our bullets wont pass their armor(rocks did their job fine,but wtf lets make this harder for earth),just send an all out army of armored vehicles at them .

all of what i said is done on leveled ground so they would have an advantage.in cities,mountains,hills,the big AT would be shit and we'd have the overall advantage.

there is no way an army with the parameters u gave could beat Earth even with this shit tech we have...

I agree with your basic ideas, ie. that nukes + air support + snipers beats Empire, although to be honest some things are inaccurate:

Vader CAN blow up vehicles.

Vader CAN block bullets.

It's debatable whether or not an AT-AT would even be affected by any of our weapons (not that it matters since they'd eventually run out of fuel/can't move through the ocean or mountains.)

Welcome to this forum!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

Welcome to this forum!

Run, run while you still can...don't let the bottom feeders get you. *looks around for Eminence*

Hewhoknowsall
Vader CAN blow up vehicles.

Hewhoknowsall
Vader CAN block bullets.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Welcome to this forum!

lol thx i guess

about the vehicles ,lets presume he can blow vehicles...though its odd why he didnt do that to Luke's spaceship,it was about the size of a tank ,way less armored and easier to blow up(this is the first thing i thought of when i saw the movie)

but,how can he block something he cant see?presuming he concentrates on the guy in front and makes a shield that blocks that persons bullet,if he doesnt know where the bullet comes from...

oh well its as SF as it can get...even if the empire existed and atked us,they would've used space ships and totally pwned us. ^.^

Either way, although Vader is powerful, he won't play a big role in terms of sheer combat prowess because...well he's only one man: having Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris (the REAL ones) on your side in a ten thousand man unarmed fight wouldn't really make THAT much of a difference.

vader blocking a bullet would be suicide. a bullet wouldn't bounce off of a lightsaber like a laser would it'd melt and if the bullet was large enough the super heated metal would still hit him. maybe not enough to burn him but possibly fast enough to do some damage. and thats not even coutning shotguns which scatter.

its intresting when you think about it. all of the pwoerful force users in the mythos; lotf luke, de palpatine, mace, bane, etc. would all be killed instantly and would have absolutely no defense against a modern day shotgun...

Plo Koon would freeze a creek which would make all gunfighters slip, thus saving the Jedi.

The only reason Sidious got out of that chamber alive is because there were no creeks in it.

And no Plo Koon to freeze the creeks that weren't there, of course.

Hey, he doesn't have to be there to freeze creeks. It just happens. How do you think Hoth went all ice? It used to look like Manaan!

Originally posted by WO Polaski
vader blocking a bullet would be suicide. a bullet wouldn't bounce off of a lightsaber like a laser would it'd melt and if the bullet was large enough the super heated metal would still hit him. maybe not enough to burn him but possibly fast enough to do some damage. and thats not even coutning shotguns which scatter.

its intresting when you think about it. all of the pwoerful force users in the mythos; lotf luke, de palpatine, mace, bane, etc. would all be killed instantly and would have absolutely no defense against a modern day shotgun...

metals dont incinerate,only organic substances incinerate,metals can only melt ...and,in the movie,when they cut a door,the door melts.

the fact that the bullet "incinerates" or not isnt important,but the fact that he cant move his hand fast enough to block all the bullets from an automated gun.he'd have to process the data he senses with the force(cause he cant see the bullets,he can only sense them),send the impulse from brain to hand,again process when the hand got in the right position,send an impulse from the brain to one muscle to stop moving the hand and to the oposite muscle to stop the hands inertia all of this 10 times per second(an AK-47 can shoot 10 bullets per second).thats 100% impossible for a human body.presuming the force can help him get this fast,then in all lightsaber battles ,we wouldnt even have seen his hands moving...heck he'd be able to move around at the speed of a bullet...imagine that.

the force can be used as a telekinetical power.it cant complement and greatly increase the body's phisical capacities or else they'd be able to move at super speeds,break through walls etc....they'd be superman and the're not.

such he wouldnt be able to sense supersonic bullets and move around to block it,nor stop all the bullets of a fully automated mini-gun(the ones with spinning barrels..that has a fire rate of over 100 bullets per sec).

our technology might be lame in power(they shoot enery,we shoot material objects),but it beats theirs in speed by A LOT and thats more than enough in this case.

the thing is he can make a force barrier and shot the bullets comming from someone in front ,but if he doesnt know where the bullets come from,he cant sense them and raise his hand and make the shield so fast...considering he can make a shield.he only uses force push against object so...

also what does he do if he's shot by a tank.if he blocks the shot,i'll throw him 100 meters back and break his hand to pieces.also pushing an incomming rocket would make the rocket explode,not turn it around so it'd still dmg him.

he's got no chance.our tech is lame compared to theirs,but much much more than enough to kill any jedi.