What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by radu1234
metals dont incinerate,only organic substances incinerate,metals can only melt ...and,in the movie,when they cut a door,the door melts.

the fact that the bullet "incinerates" or not isnt important,but the fact that he cant move his hand fast enough to block all the bullets from an automated gun.he'd have to process the data he senses with the force(cause he cant see the bullets,he can only sense them),send the impulse from brain to hand,again process when the hand got in the right position,send an impulse from the brain to one muscle to stop moving the hand and to the oposite muscle to stop the hands inertia all of this 10 times per second(an AK-47 can shoot 10 bullets per second).thats 100% impossible for a human body.presuming the force can help him get this fast,then in all lightsaber battles ,we wouldnt even have seen his hands moving...heck he'd be able to move around at the speed of a bullet...imagine that.

the force can be used as a telekinetical power.it cant complement and greatly increase the body's phisical capacities or else they'd be able to move at super speeds,break through walls etc....they'd be superman and the're not.

such he wouldnt be able to sense supersonic bullets and move around to block it,nor stop all the bullets of a fully automated mini-gun(the ones with spinning barrels..that has a fire rate of over 100 bullets per sec).

our technology might be lame in power(they shoot enery,we shoot material objects),but it beats theirs in speed by A LOT and thats more than enough in this case.

the thing is he can make a force barrier and shot the bullets comming from someone in front ,but if he doesnt know where the bullets come from,he cant sense them and raise his hand and make the shield so fast...considering he can make a shield.he only uses force push against object so...

also what does he do if he's shot by a tank.if he blocks the shot,i'll throw him 100 meters back and break his hand to pieces.also pushing an incomming rocket would make the rocket explode,not turn it around so it'd still dmg him.

he's got no chance.our tech is lame compared to theirs,but much much more than enough to kill any jedi.

Anyhoo, much of this is unlikely to happen anyway. Vader won't be wading in to the middle of a battle by himself. Any opposition he encounters will also have to be firing at the much more numerous and immediately more dangerous Stormtroopers and armor.

the Return of the Jedi movie shows that Ewok arrows can penetrate Stormtrooper armor. the movies overrule EU in that regard and because its the primary canon it cant be chalked down to pis either in that regard.

so can someone explain to me how armor that can be penetrated by arrows and doesnt protect against the kinetic damage dealt by rocks and judo tosses is somehow invulnerable against rounds moving at super sonic speeds? We have handsguns that fire 50 caliber rounds.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
the Return of the Jedi movie shows that Ewok arrows can penetrate Stormtrooper armor. the movies overrule EU in that regard and because its the primary canon it cant be chalked down to pis either in that regard.

so can someone explain to me how armor that can be penetrated by arrows and doesnt protect against the kinetic damage dealt by rocks and judo tosses is somehow invulnerable against rounds moving at super sonic speeds? We have handsguns that fire 50 caliber rounds.

For my own curiousity, can you post a picture that shows the rockhead of the arrow having directly pierced the plastic armor? Not the black tubing connecting the arm pieces, the white plating.

Scroll down.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWtrooparmor.html

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Gotta be honest, I only read the first paragraph of that. The grammar you see...

Anyhoo, much of this is unlikely to happen anyway. Vader won't be wading in to the middle of a battle by himself. Any opposition he encounters will also have to be firing at the much more numerous and immediately more dangerous Stormtroopers and armor.

Air support FTW.

According to the movies, stormtrooper armor is useless. It's like as if it's made out of plastic. Medieval armor is more effective.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
Scroll down.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWtrooparmor.html

Originally posted by Eminence
This is easily explained by granting the Ewoks Force-sensitivity and superstrength, and asserting that the Stormtroopers can choose to seal the gaps between helmet and neck.

Why would they 'not' seal the gaps? 😕

Makes it easier to take them of before sex. >_>

Or to radiate musk to attract female Stormtroopers.

Or even the male ones, one of the Star Destroyers was in fact called the
Downthestreet.

um..whats wrong with my grammar,i'm not a native english speaker but still where did i go wrong ?(ignoring the apostrophe which i didnt put out of comodity...but u can still read it easly without those)

anyway,i dont think u could contest what i said ,and i took in consideration that our bullets wouldn't pierce their armor.if we consider the link from WO Polaski then...even the lamest country in military power could take them down easly...this thread is resolved 😉

PS : in the first paragraph,i dont deny being wrong,i just want to know where,for my own curiosity 😉

I shall respond (to both ?s) in a moment. I must watch moar Finding Nemo.

Finding Nemo is lame. He never once swam around in a circle helplessly because his one flipper is too small.

SHUT UP!!!

If you're going to have a movie about talking fish, at least make it realistic.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
[B]SHUT UP!!!

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edit: will respond after 9

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You may now respond.

I've been told that only gay people watch Finding Nemo.

*Insert gayfish joke.*

I saw four seven six points:
1. Bullets will continue through a saber.
2. Vader will be unable to respond fast enough to the bullets to intercept them anyway.
3. The Force can only be used for TK, not buffing.
4. The rate of fire from our guns will be too great for Vader to react to. (Distinct from no. 2 in that objection is quantity not speed of bullets.)
5. Our tech is superior to theirs in terms of rate of fire.
6. A telekinetic Force barrier is inefficient because Vader is unlikely to know the source of fire.
7. What if Vader is shot by a tank?

In order:
(Sorry, I refuse to use quote boxes for this. I should be watching Nemo.)

1. [pending]
2. Unlikely. The description on Wookieepedia claims that the Blas-tec plasma rifle shoots a "combination of light and plasma" ([url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster#Technical_information]Wookieepedia). We all know that light moves very quickly. The question then is plasma; does plasma move more slowly than bullets? Again, the answer is no. "In these blasters, the combination of superhot laser-light and a compressed bolt of intense energy particles formed the deadly bolt." (Ibid). Everything in the article (presumably ripped from a more authoritative source) suggests that blaster bolts are at least partially composed of plasma and that they move very quickly.

This, you will say (knowsnot or otherwise) contradicts the movies. The response to that assertion lies in the next section.

3. The vast majority of EU sources disagree with you here. Not only is Yoda a noted master of Force Valor, the existence of a Mind Trick seems to discredit the idea of a purely kinetic Force methodology. Furthermore, the question of augmentation is taken up by every single novel in the series. You don't get to throw all that out.

Why then, someone will ask, do Sidious and Samuel L move like old men? Why does Vader fight like a quadriplegic? Why does Luke have a baseball bat? The answer is that the films have limitations. In the 80s they were significantly greater than they are today. The simple fact of the matter is that real lasers wouldn't look cool so they are different. It would be foolish to throw out the entirety of the EU ['s explanation of blasters] simply on the basis of an interpretation of the movies. We don't know that those scenes (involving blasters) are bare lens (metaphorically) or that they are all in real time. We can't even extrapolate (perfectly) how the blasters work from the movies because we don't know if the laws of physics hold.

4. Their tech is superior. But, even if they do have a lesser rate of fire then the Jedi can still deal with our rate of fire. Examples: Kenobi, dealing with Grievous' onslaught notes that deflecting (more than?) 12 blows per second is only difficult, not impossible. Jedi routinely wade through battles where there is more fire.

6. Vader probably will know the source of fire b/c of how precog works- it is a warning, not just a faster reaction. (Anakin: I can see things before they happen [in a pod race].)((Jacen: OH NOES! A bullet is coming from [x] direction!))

7. If Vader is shot by a tank then he dodges or dies. His showings in RoDV (maybe?) where he evades an armed twi'lek without using his own lightsaber show he's certainly flexible and quick enough to maneuver out of the way.

So I've typed a lot. Anybody wanna check Shatterpoint for how Mace deals with bullets shot @ him?

F/uck