Originally posted by Eminence
Attempting to balance a mindnumbingly lopsided thread isn't "generous."That said, Lucien is a dumb asshat and I hope a large stork drops planet-sized testicles on him.
Yes it is compared to Lucien, who says that I'm an idiot for making a "spite thread" (even though 99% of his comments are supportive of the Empire) and IGNORES my attempts to balance the thread.
Agreed.
It would be a very poor decision for you to continue your attempt at arrogance. Really. Very. A lot.
Originally posted by radu1234
k so we decided that vader can be killed by our weaponry easly.the main point is that if he could even block one bullet with his lightsaber.
I will not comment on the plethora of mistakes spread throughout your post as grammar does not relate directly to the strength of your positions. I would ask, however, that you use a space after each period. It makes your posts considerably more difficult to read when you do not do so.
As best as I can understand it, you have [three] reasonably strong points and one count of pedantry:
1. The difference between sublimation and incineration (Pendantry).
2. The heat of the bullet and Vader's suit's ability to withstand it.
3. Conservation of matter
4. The effects of sublimation on the bullet.
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All of which you take to support this:
a saber can cut vader in a ms. something that doesnt burn and stays in the laser beam for a ms would gain the exact heat the saber can deal in a ms...sooo it can penetrate vader easly and kill him
1. I suggest that the difference between 'incinerate' and 'vaporize' or 'deal with the bullet' is so small that it is insignificant as a point of contention. While there is a distinction, the meaning conveyed (that the lightsaber will simply destroy what passes through it) is clear. You may object to that assertion but to do so on the basis of word choice does not seem worthwhile.
2. We have made a very big mistake. You see, the laws of physics in Star Wars do not match ours exactly. Case in point:
Jinn should have been burned by the molten metal (this was most likely durasteel, the merits of which are touted elsewhere). He was not even singed by this. Because I refuse to toss out movie level canon we have I see two options: Qui-Gon Jinn's hands were not singed because the lightsaber was not causing heat to be emitted or because his connection to the Force prevented such damage to his body. Regardless of which option is applied to our current situation, the result is indisputable: Vader, possessed of both a lightsaber and a superior connection to the Force, will be similarly unaffected by the byproducts of a Lightsaber/metal interaction.
3. I clearly misunderstood you. A lot. I'm not sure why I thought you were suggesting that metal could not be made into a gas. The problem likely was the big-bang analogy. I certainly hope that my chemistry teacher taught me enough to understand conservation of mass.
4. I am no longer sure that what the bullet will undergo can be described as sublimation. The problem lies in the unrealistic depiction of lightsabers (lol) and how they interact with metal. They clearly don't generate heat (as shown in the image above) because even Jinn's clothing is unaffected by the extreme heat. So the transformation from solid to gas may be impossible. Your account of the rapid expansion of the bullet (which I will assume would in fact take place were the bullet to spontaneously sublimate under that amount of heat) loses its starting place- metal doesn't get hot from lightsabers.
a saber can cut vader in a ms. something that doesnt burn and stays in the laser beam for a ms would gain the exact heat the saber can deal in a ms...sooo it can penetrate vader easly and kill him
Thought: would our bullets be able to pierce his suit?
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Originally posted by Red Nemesis2. We have made a very big mistake. You see, the laws of physics in Star Wars do not match ours exactly. Case in point:
Jinn should have been burned by the molten metal (this was most likely durasteel, the merits of which are touted elsewhere). He was not even singed by this. Because I refuse to toss out movie level canon
we haveI see two options: Qui-Gon Jinn's hands were not singed because the lightsaber was not causing heat to be emitted or because his connection to the Force prevented such damage to his body. Regardless of which option is applied to our current situation, the result is indisputable: Vader, possessed of both a lightsaber and a superior connection to the Force, will be similarly unaffected by the byproducts of a Lightsaber/metal interaction.
the difference between those two scenarios is that the heated objects werent being propelled at Jinn with the speed at the speed of sound.
Thought: would our bullets be able to pierce his suit?
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the difference between those two scenarios is that the heated objects werent being propelled at Jinn with the speed at the speed of sound.
So then it becomes a question of whether or not the lead (or whatever) will remain coherent long enough to impact Vader. I find the possibility unlikely- transformation to a gas will disperse (through diffusion?) much of the mass of the projectile.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
no reason to think not too. stormtrooper armor is pathetic.
Plasteel however
Plasteel, sometimes called plastisteel, was a material that combined acrylic polymers and metal alloys. Plasteel retained the elastic strength of plastics while benefiting from the strength and heat resistance of metal. However, it was not a miracle substance. Pressed thin enough for comfortable armor, plasteel would not impede a blaster bolt, or even an old fashioned slug.
Therefore not bulletproof. Unlike Vaders.
Stomtrooper armour is isn't the same as Vaders.
Repayment for the crack comment in Jaina's thread Nemesis 😉.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
so wheres the proof that its bulletproof? we have bullets that can go through steel, and besides im pretty sure vaders suit has been punctured by a knife before.
Durasteel was an incredibly strong and versatile metal alloy, created from carvanium, lommite, carbon, meleenium, neutronium, and zersium. It was capable of withstanding blistering heat, frigid cold, and monumental physical stress, even when very thin.
Originally posted by mattatom
Pics or it didn't happen.
Durasteel was an incredibly strong and versatile metal alloy, created from carvanium, lommite, carbon, meleenium, neutronium, and zersium. It was capable of withstanding blistering heat, frigid cold, and monumental physical stress, even when very thin.
...regular steel has all those characteristics. miilitary grade steel is just made up of different components.
That it was used for starfighters, as well as its position as the premier construction material, suggests that it is a step above our steel- after all, it was placed under (and survived) far harsher conditions than we have seen steel fail in.
Ex: Trade towers collapse while Coruscant/Taris buildings survive far greater stress (during normal use and under attacks) for the most part unharmed.
the trade towers collapsed due to shoddy construction.
Wikipedia disagrees:
The fires weakened the trusses supporting the floors, making the floors sag. The sagging floors pulled on the exterior steel columns to the point where exterior columns bowed inward. With the damage to the core columns, the buckling exterior columns could no longer support the buildings, causing them to collapse.
The buildings during the raid on Coruscant didn't all collapse and they had similar blows inflicted.
i just watched it.
how do you know those buildings stayed up?
it took the first WTC building an HOUR of straight burning and structural damage before it collapsed. it took the second building an hour and a HALF before it collapsed.
we see those taris buildings less then ten seconds after they fall. how do you know they didnt fall even ten or twenty minutes later?
also, you have no diea how those were built. the WTC relied on four main steel support pillars to stay up; once those went the buildigns went. how do you know the taris buildings dont have 8 pillars? ten? mabe theyre entirely constructed out of durasteel under the aeshetic skin.