Raziel vs Kratos

All abilities of Kratos & Raziel, except Raziel can't use his soul rip. And no Raziel's invisible ability isn't going to help[See: Kratos vs Perseus fight].

Don't forget that Kratos has Artemis Blade--that slayed a Titan.

I like raziel... what do you have against him to put him in this fight.

Raziel is gonna be more dead than he is now when he fights Kratos. I call spite.

you dont know how much suffering you just put raziel through... lol kratos dominates.

Why did you nerf Raziel......

And you take away soul rip when its probably his only useful ability in this matchup...lame...

god damn spite

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why did you nerf Raziel......

And you take away soul rip when its probably his only useful ability in this matchup...lame...

Okay, let me get this straight; You think that Raziel can beat Seph, you think that Seph can beat Kratos, but Kratos loses to Raziel.

I dont remember saying Raziel can beat sephiroth recently although it may be possible. Sephiroth can beat Kratos with Neg lifestream and no, I never said Kratos loses to Raziel in this thread...

Although GOW Kratos or maybe even late GOW 2 Kratos would have a disadvantage against Raziel.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=473563&highlight=Raziel+vs+Sephiroth+forumid%3A85

I must've misread you[about saying Raziel beats Kratos]. Played Defiance last night; Half of what Raziel[Powers]has Kratos has.

tbh now ime not sure either can beat the other, although Sephiroth is just as vulerable to TK as anyone else.

But you said Raziel may not soul rip in this combat.

Raziel has many powers, he can go invisible, blind Kratos with the light reaver and use his elemental reavers to burn, freeze etc the god of war.

When using the typical power of the wraith blade he could quite easily just impale Kratos and take his soul right off the bat. Or he could just TK Kratos about the place.

I'm a dumbass lol, I forgot he couldn't soul rip.

YouTube video I don't think invisibility will work. But he does have his TK so.... and Kratos has been blinded by the power of the sun[something like that].

What exactly is the Wraith Blade? LOL, now I wish I would've allowed Raziel's soul-ripping ability.

Its Raziels starving soul that drains the souls of the enemies he strikes. Its a soul that eats other souls as it hits them basically....

The only reason invisiblity didnt work for Perseus is because he was running about in water, a massive disadvantage.

So I take it you think Raziel wins?

If he was allowed soul powers yeh, but without them it would take a debate for me to decide.

Even if he was able to use his soul powers, he would have to weaken Kratos to take his soul.

Why? Kratos has no soul defences, Raziel would just pass the reaver through kratos.

How come Raziel is the only one with the free will? If he dies, he returns.

He does not really have free will tbh, that is a misconception by the characters but I wont spoil the game for you

Why did Kain tell Raziel he had a free will then?

Well, isn't he designated[sp?]to kill Kain?

NOTE: I already know if he dies, he can return over and over, etc.

Because thats what Kain belives, but it turns out to be untrue. And theres some misconceptions with the destinies of both. Have you seen the murals that depict Raziel as some sort of Saviour? and Kain as an enemy or vice versa?