Raziel vs Kratos

Is that in Defiance? If so what chapter?

I think I may have saw the one with Kain as the Savior.

I cant remember, but Raziel and Kain both see the murals in the old vampire citadel ruins, where you fight the statues

I think I saw it. Is it the level, where you get the family crest?

Raziel gets betrayed by Kain, and gets KOed and thrown into the Abyss, then he gets "saved" by Elder God, becomes the "Harvester of Souls/Angel of Death, then the pain he took was receded[and he was healed]. It is your fate to kill The Lord of Vampires Kain. Raziel was "higher" than Kain.

Kratos gets betrayed by Zeus and killed by Zeus[weakened], he gets sent to Hades, and his saved by Gaia/Titans, Gaia heals you, and now it is your fate to kill[and change your fate]Zeus--King of Olympus/King of Gods. Zeus was afraid of Kratos, and he[Kratos]was worshipped as "their" God.

Coincidence?

Hmm maybe but its not Raziels fate, the Elder God is a lier, and by the end of the game youll realise Raziels fate was a tad bit wrong.

Well, I do see a coincidence.

Well you said no spoilers. So I can only guess what happens. So, is he the "good" Angel of Death or "bad" A-O-D?

both

Can you permantly kill Raziel? I heard he will return over and over. He can be cut into pieces, stoned, etc and he still can return...

Yes because his soul is actually under his control 100% the same as most vampire entities, the diffrence between Raziel dieing however and Kain, is that Kain would become a vampire wraith in the spectoral plane, wheras Raziel already is a special type of wraith and is capable of making his soul material again, therefore re-creating his physical form.

So yes, if you blow him up, slice him in half, disintegrate him etc, he will return.

So it's technially "impossible" to kill him?

Great, thanks.

You would require soul powers to destroy him permanently.

You mean like the soul reaver?

Yes, or more accuratley the blood reaver, its not called the Soul reaver until Raziel is already in it.

The Soul reaver cannot kill or harm Raziel, the seemingly indestructable sword explodes if Kain uses it on Raziel.

So, w/o any of those weapon's your screwed.

BTW, he sounds invincible lol.

Originally posted by Burning thought
tbh now ime not sure either can beat the other, although Sephiroth is just as vulerable to TK as anyone else.

But you said Raziel may not soul rip in this combat.

Raziel has many powers, he can go invisible, blind Kratos with the light reaver and use his elemental reavers to burn, freeze etc the god of war.

When using the typical power of the wraith blade he could quite easily just impale Kratos and take his soul right off the bat. Or he could just TK Kratos about the place.

Well, Kratos could blind Raziel with the head of helios, petrify him with the medusa,euryales head, and could defeat him with the power of hope,destroy him with rages, throw the blades of olympus and if he escapes he could use his blades of exile and use the claws of hades to rip his soul apart!etc...
And dont forget hes got boots of hermes to keep up with him.

In light of GoW 3, Kratos would indeed defeat Raziel if he somehow avoided being Tked into the air. Kratos now has the spiritual means to get rid of Raziel. Raziel has implied spiritual immunity but its not that clear.

Wasnt Raziel limited somehow here? With Kratos being upped by GoW3 Raz should be at full power.

He lost his power to take souls. He should be allowed any and all abilities at thise stage considering Gow 3 boost. I want the exact weight/strength of Cronos or at least a rough estimate, how much does the Empire state building weigh which was the equivalant apprently to Cronos in size, obviously Cronos could weigh less as he is not made of steel and other building materials. Then from the perhaps we can find out the PSI of Cronos' slap on Kratos.

Could try and get that answer. He's 500m tall so.... will be back with a rough answer later.

I don't see how allowing Raziel everything will change anything. 😬 Kratos will still roflstomp the poor boy.

/shrugs Dont remember how his power works, still looses again that I know of.