Originally posted by TricksterPriest
**** this thread. facepalm Don't mention anything New Gods related on KMC, the ****ing idiots here are too dumb and one dimensional to understand it.
Oooo yes because we all don't think the NG are abstracts based on battle feats and because we all don't think the ALE is equal to the IG like somebody I know. Speaking of which where were you in that thread I created?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Oooo yes because we all don't think the NG are abstracts based on battle feats and because we all don't think the ALE is equal to the IG like somebody I know. Speaking of which where were you in that thread I created?
Edit: it took forever to find a picture that could get around the stupid censor.
Originally posted by EnyalusThanos can escape black holes. One hasn't killed him yet and when has Takion erected one to win a fight.He can make black holes. Those and Drax are Thanos' K-nite. 😉
I agree. I liked both DOTNG and Holy War (except the art in DOTNG sucked)....there was another DC story Starlin recently penned that was good, but the name escapes me right now. [/B]
I liked death also, it was much better than final crisis.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually its not substantiated by anything at all. You have shown absolutely nothing. Only provided silly rationalizations with no feats to back them up. Further im not generalizing anything, Numerous characters FAR below abstract level can "do anything they will". Mind u these are all characters with superior feats to takion as well.
Yeah except that you don't seem to grasp "do anything they will". There's a difference between saying "I can do anything I will" and actually having the capacity to control all reality via your link to the Source.
And it's been substantiated by the fact that his presence alone has shut down the power sources of other characters. It's substantiated by the fact that when other characters have had their energy force contact Takion, he's absorbed it, saying the energy "comes from the same place as his".
Takion is made of pure Source, the concept of energy is his to play with. He can manipulate any energy force, this isn't theory it's the facts of the character.
Stop comparing him to SS, SS isn't in the same ballpark.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
**** this thread. facepalm Don't mention anything New Gods related on KMC
😛 I'm thinking they should be a mod enforced ban on all New God topics.
Until people can actually understand the terms. These gods are personifications of the sum total of single experiences/ideas/qualities (love, hate, evil, courage etc).
They are not souls or ghosts, they are much bigger and scarier than that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can escape black holes. One hasn't killed him yet and when has Takion erected one to win a fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I liked death also, it was much better than final crisis.
Darkseid was written like Thanos, lol.
Originally posted by Allankles
Takion is made of pure Source, the concept of energy is his to play with. He can manipulate any energy force, this isn't theory it's the facts of the character.
Definitely he can manipulate any kind of energy. But that's entirely different than saying his body can actually channel the infinite power he's tapped into and release it in, say, blast form. Remember that he doesn't need his body to exist. But he does have one. And from what I've seen, Takion's body is somewhat limited. There's no proof whatsoever that his blast power is above, say, a standard top tier. So sure, he's hooked into a source of unlimited power and can channel any type of energy. But channeling infinite or near-infinite power and using that? No...not from what's been shown. And that's what would qualify him for being an 'abstract level' character (who are above skyfathers.) He's not.
Originally posted by EnyalusDefinitely he can manipulate any kind of energy. But that's entirely different than saying his body can actually channel the infinite power he's tapped into and release it in, say, blast form. Remember that he doesn't need his body to exist. But he does have one. And from what I've seen, Takion's body is somewhat limited. There's no proof whatsoever that his blast power is above, say, a standard top tier. So sure, he's hooked into a source of unlimited power and can channel any type of energy. But channeling infinite or near-infinite power and using that? No...not from what's been shown. And that's what would qualify him for being an 'abstract level' character (who are above skyfathers.) He's not. [/B]
Actually he is capable of channelling "infinite energy" the only draw back is the consciousness of Sanders that inhabits the Takion avatar. According to Highfather, he need only open himself to the power. Takion is one with the ebb and flow of the Source, it fills him, it is him (Takion # 1). He is the power (for he is one with it) again from Takion # 1.
So he has no actual limit. Also his body is made of pure Source, it has no actual limits, its appearance and limitations are determined by Sanders belief in the human spirit (I put up the scan a few pages back).
Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah except that you don't seem to grasp "do anything they will". There's a difference between saying "I can do anything I will" and actually having the capacity to control all reality via your link to the Source.
lmao. is something wrong with u? How many times do we have to go over this? who is talking of characters saying simply saying "I can do anything i will". Im talking of characters whose powerset allows them to literally do anything they wil(in addition to statements ) and actually have the feats to back it up. Skyfathers like Odin,Classic Dr strange,Cube beings etc. ALL of whom HAVE FAR better feats that Takion. SHOW ME takion controlling all reality. Werent u the one who said
Originally posted by Allankles
His connection to the Source once allowed him the capacity to command all reality simply by making contact with the Source Wall.
And it's been substantiated by the fact that his presence alone has shut down the power sources of other characters. It's substantiated by the fact that when other characters have had their energy force contact Takion, he's absorbed it, saying the energy "comes from the same place as his".
His presence has shut down the power sources of other characters so he must be abstract level? He absorbed beings energy saying "Ur energy comes from the same place as mine" and that makes him an abstract?( what level beings by the way? try to answer this time please) No feats putting him anywhere close to abstract level and yet we should somehow assume he is an abstract because he says "Your energy comes from the same place as mine"LMFAO. Please stop embarrasing urself.
Takion is made of pure Source, the concept of energy is his to play with. He can manipulate any energy force, this isn't theory it's the facts of the character.
There are numerous characters who manipulate "any energy force". Most are not close to abstract. Get this admitted no limit fallacy trash the hell outta here.
Stop comparing him to SS, SS isn't in the same ballpark
From rampant dodging and no limit fallacies, to deliberate omission of context(multiple times) and now to strawman argumentation. Truly one of the worst displays of debating ineptitude ive ever seen. Im not comparing Takion to SS, this is about him being anywhere close to abstract level. Though with this woeful display im not surprised ur trying to change the subject. Pathetic.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
**** this thread. facepalm Don't mention anything New Gods related on KMC, the ****ing idiots here are too dumb and one dimensional to understand it.
Agreed, anyone who thinks the crap that Starlins writes is good compared to Kirby or Morrison has no idea what there reading. 😂
Originally posted by Allankles
Of course he has a limit (Sanders) this is comics. But his actual body has no mass or limitations.
What I am basically pointing out is that, you admitted you were using a no-limits fallacy...yet, really, there isn't. Because Takion is limited in what he can do power-wise (but probably not skill-wise).
Originally posted by Naija boy
lmao. is something wrong with u? How many times do we have to go over this? who is talking of characters saying simply saying "I can do anything i will". Im talking of characters whose powerset allows them to literally do anything they wil(in addition to statements ) and actually have the feats to back it up. Skyfathers like Odin,Classic Dr strange,Cube beings etc. ALL of whom HAVE FAR better feats that Takion. SHOW ME takion controlling all reality. Werent u the one who said
Are you deliberately being dense? Since when can the likes of Odin and Strange do anything they will. Being able to master all reality is doing what you will.
Having no physical or metaphysical limitation; having a link to an actual infinite power source, being absolutely one with this force allows him to do anything he wills.
This was all demonstrated and explained in Takion 1. When Sanders began forcing his instincts against the very nature of the Takion avatar he began to have limits e.g. losing his omniscience.
Originally posted by Naija boy
If this is so then how is it relevant? Is the source wall going to be present in Mc standard arena? Christ! Are u this pitiful that in order to promote ur nonsensical arguments u decide to leave out context which [B]you yourself even mentioned 😱 [/B]
Stop dodging the facts, he's one with the power. He is one with the flow of this vast and infinite energy, only Sanders limits what the Takion avatar can do.
I fail to see what's hard to grasp about being one with the Source, it is further explained that Takion is the power, being that he is completely in sync with it, he is made up of the Source :fact.
Originally posted by Naija boy
"Your energy comes from the same place as mine"LMFAO. Please stop embarrasing urself.
Again with the dense replies. You're arguing like a total noob. I was saying that his abilities have been substantiated (it had nothing to do with being abstract).
Takion is an avatar of the spirit that embodies all things, this makes him abstract. His made up of the building blocks of existence. Does it get any more abstract? He is not merely an energy being.
Being able to control all reality by virtue of your link to the Source makes him abstract, your daft reasoning that there's no source wall in scenario x, doesn't change the character's abilities. Are you even reading your responses?
Originally posted by Naija boy
There are numerous characters who manipulate "any energy force". Most are not close to abstract. Get this admitted no limit fallacy trash the hell outta here.
More retarded reasoning. Being abstract is about what he embodies, more accurately, the comics say he's one with the Source of all things. Your generalizations are played out, and don't even address the matter at hand, get that bs outta here.
Originally posted by Naija boy
From rampant dodging and no limit fallacy's, to deliberate omission of context(multiple times) and now to strawman argumentation. Though with this woeful display im not surprised ur trying to change the subject. Pathetic.
Yikes!!! It's called covering my bases against a known SS fan. Now you're coming off as butt hurt, goes a long way in explaining the tone of your responses thus far.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't agree with your interpretation. Sanders' consciousness handled omniscience twice without much trouble. I think its the physical form that he takes on which limits him. But I don't think you have proof one way, and I don't have any proof the other. So....What I am basically pointing out is that, you admitted you were using a no-limits fallacy...yet, really, there isn't. Because Takion is limited in what he can do power-wise (but probably not skill-wise).
I posted the scans a few pages back. Takion is made of pure Source. It goes on to state that his body has no limits.
Originally posted by AllanklesIyo.
DOTNG was shitty. FC was miles better.
Originally posted by AllanklesI disagree.
😛 I'm thinking they should be a mod enforced ban on all New God topics.Until people can actually understand the terms. These gods are personifications of the sum total of single experiences/ideas/qualities (love, hate, evil, courage etc).
They are not souls or ghosts, they are much bigger and scarier than that.
Originally posted by EnyalusGood to hear.
To win a fight? He hasn't. He's made a black hole to travel to the Source before, and a black hole to get rid of a frigate he accidentally dropped on the city. And yeah, I know a black hole wouldn't kill Thanos. Meh, Takion doesn't have very good durability. He also probably doesn't have the power output to put Thanos down. So, I might change my mind.Darkseid was written like Thanos, lol.
Definitely he can manipulate any kind of energy. But that's entirely different than saying his body can actually channel the infinite power he's tapped into and release it in, say, blast form. Remember that he doesn't need his body to exist. But he does have one. And from what I've seen, Takion's body is somewhat limited. There's no proof whatsoever that his blast power is above, say, a standard top tier. So sure, he's hooked into a source of unlimited power and can channel any type of energy. But channeling infinite or near-infinite power and using that? No...not from what's been shown. And that's what would qualify him for being an 'abstract level' character (who are above skyfathers.) He's not. [/B]
Darkseid was written much more competent with Starlin, but had Thanos siphoned his power it would take the combined might of the dcu to challenge him for it. Ds was thrown just by Superman's interference.