Originally posted by Naija boy
To be "abstract" in combat level ala KMC tier rating, You need to have feats to prove it. I have been talking about that particular form of abstract(KMC powerlevel) from the get go. Because thats all that is relevant here. U on the other hand inrodued ur "New Gods are abstracts" trash and tried to compare to use it to justify ur ridiculous Takion vs IB argument knowing fully well that it had no relationship with the type of powerlevel i was talking about.
Really? So having the capacity to control all reality via your link to your power source is not abstract? Being able to telepathically touch all the interlocking forces that spawned the universe isn't abstract?
Knowing everything, like knowing about the birth of an alien baby in some distant planet or knowing that a slight deviation of a comet in some galaxy will cause it to crush 23000 years later into the 6th planet of some system?
He knows all things, he just needs to process the knowledge. He can list off any event past future or present, he can manipulate any force in existence.
Originally posted by Allankles
Really? So having the capacity to control all reality via your link to your power source is not abstract? Being able to telepathically touch all the interlocking forces that spawned the universe isn't abstract?Knowing everything, like knowing about the birth of an alien baby in some distant planet or knowing that a slight deviation of a comet in some galaxy will cause it to crush 23000 years later into the 6th planet of some system?
He knows all things, he just needs to process the knowledge. He can list of any event past future or present, he can manipulate any force in existence.
didnt u say that he could control all reality or whatever by coming in contact with the source wall? Yup not happening in KMC environment. Irrelevant
Knowing evrything is not abstract.i.e Genis with cosmic awareness. Doesnt make u abstract at all.
Originally posted by Naija boy
didnt u say that he could control all reality or whatever by coming in contact with the source wall? Yup not happening in KMC environment. IrrelevantKnowing evrything is not abstract.i.e Genis with cosmic awareness. Doesnt make u abstract at all.
He had true omniscience not a limited cosmic awareness.
Takion is a being of pure Source created by Highfather. The Source explained above, as the 1st buliding block of existence in DC. Fat chance of him getting KO'd by a cosmic blast.
Here this is further explained. Takion has no actual mass or molecules of matter and has less substance than light, this allows him to assume any form in any size, be anyway or any place.
He's also been shown to be able to do anything he thinks/wills. If he wants to tank something he does, not be somewhere, he isn't.
Originally posted by Allankles
He had true omniscience not a limited cosmic awareness.
Genis was truly omniscient. He literally knew evrything about anything future past or present.
akion is a being of pure Source created by Highfather. The Source explained above, as the 1st buliding block of existence in DC. Fat chance of him getting KO'd by cosmic blast.
If ur going back to this source nonsense i have no time for it. when ur ready to bring some feats let me know.
Here this is further explained. Takion has no actual mass or molecules of matter and has less substance than light, this allows him to assume any form in any size, be anyway or any place. He's also been shown to be able to do anything he thinks/wills. If he wants to tank something he does, not be somewhere, he doesn't.
None of that puts him on abstract level or even remotely close. Numerous beings far below abstract can "be anywhere, do anything"(heck beings below skyfather even). Feats supercede, no limit fallacies and "he can do anything" type statements im afraid.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Genis was truly omniscient. He literally knew evrything about anything future past or present.
Cool to know.
Originally posted by Naija boy
If ur going back to this source nonsense i have no time for it. when ur ready to bring some feats let me know.
Yeah! You're the one arguing against the character when you don't even know that he's made up of the building blocks that form existence.
Originally posted by Naija boy
None of that puts him on abstract level or even remotely close. Numerous beings far below abstract can "be anywhere, do anything"(heck beings below skyfather even). Feats supercede, no limit fallacies and "he can do anything" type statements im afraid.
All of that is substantiated by the fact that Takion can feed off of any form of energy and shut down any force. All energy is tied to what he is. And few characters can do anything they will, stop generalizing.
Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! You're the one arguing against the character when you don't even know that he's made up of the building blocks that form existence.
Actually im the one asking u to show me the impressive feats that person made up of "the building blocks of all existence" has performed. You have instead decided to dodge and have failed so woefully in providing any evidence to support ur nonsensical argument that its not even funny anymor. lol admittedly trying to use a no limit fallacy to determine a characters powerlevel. Thats a first
All of that is substantiated by the fact that Takion can feed off of any form of energy and shut down any force. All energy is tied to what he is. And few characters can do anything they will, stop generalizing.
Actually its not substantiated by anything at all. You have shown absolutely nothing. Only provided silly rationalizations with no feats to back them up. Further im not generalizing anything, Numerous characters FAR below abstract level can "do anything they will". Mind u these are all characters with superior feats to takion as well.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe point is he didn't whisper the ale one time in all of fc. The ale changed and it can be resisted nowadays as per fc.
I can only think of the Batman incident when he could have whispered the ALE from the get go, but these are stories, you could make the same argument for a lot of other stories, in the end its pointless.DS had this new form of the Omega Force the Omega Sanction (the life-trap) which he uses quite a bit in Morrison's continuity.
Originally posted by AllanklesIt isn't a bfr. Do you even know how the soul gem works?
The Source entity wasn't the Source.If BFRing him is all it's about then it works both ways.
Originally posted by AllanklesAre you claiming the Source is the Presence now? Based on what? You seem to just make stuff up.
The Source and The Presence could be one and the same, no clear distinction has ever been provided as the Source is usually kept out of mainline continuity. The Source Wall is equivalent to the gates of the heaven of heavens and (according to FC) separates the multiverse from the overvoid.According to Kirby The Source was simply the NG name of the first cause force that gave rise to existence. It's more of an alias imo.
Originally posted by AllanklesOrion didn;t defeat Sivaa on his own. You do realize that Superman was there and you left out a whole lot of context. You just keep on misrepresenting events when you have no case.
An abstract suggest beyond top tier, Orion as an example has varied portrayals. From being able to defeat S'Ivaa in his true form while getting downplayed in his JLU days. Or providing part of the power to collapse a universe.Same thing applies with DS but at least he has the avatars excuse; besides, using Supes as an example is not exactly proof of anything. Supes has a history of punching and winning above his weight class.
As far as Takion goes, no being in Genesis was capable of slowing down the god wave and this is inclusive of a 2nd world god.
He is tied to the origin of energy, this puts him at a unique position, quite different to other beings who only have the implied power without the legitimacy to accompany it. The source is what legitimizes Takion he's a focus point for it. They don't call him Takion of the Source for nothing.
Originally posted by EnyalusNo, he isn't. What makes you say this anyways?
Meh...Takion is like Surfer^2.I dunno that Thanos would beat him...I think not.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestDc hired Starlin. Blame dc. Starlin is an excellent writer to by the way. More than I can say than that snoozefest fc.
**** Starlin. That piece of shit wanker needs to get the **** away from DC before he wrecks anything else. 👇
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't. What makes you say this anyways?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc hired Starlin. Blame dc. Starlin is an excellent writer to by the way. More than I can say than that snoozefest fc.