Originally posted by Mindset
So what are Takion's feats?
He can take any form (shown), assume any size, go anywhere.
Naijaboy: what's so special about being made up of Source?
Author: The Source is the building block of existence in DC, and Takion is made of this Source. Takion has no mass (he has less substance than light). This allows him to take any form or size, be anywhere and do anything.
Author: He's one with the ebb and flow of the Source, the power flows through him, he is the power.
Naija boy: Odin has "infinite power".
Logic: How is such a statement substantiated? Are you going to argue that being made of the Source is insignificant? That being one with it is irrelevant? We are arguing fiction afterall.
Basically, read the scan I posted a few pages ago. Process it, if it doesn't convince you, it's all good. We don't need all the retarded blather.
"As a sentient independent mind within the Source, Takion affects The Source with a thought, and it acts upon these thoughts even as he thinks them, the ripples of his mind creating waves of great power. Healing power. Destructive power. Power that is within everything, affecting it, and being affected by it." 😎
"Takion is energy, and that energy is the energy, so he can affect all energies."
Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't dispute that. You don't have to be "infinite" to be abstract.
Takion doesn't have the power to be abstract-level in power. If you want to play the equivocation game and say that him being an avatar of the Source makes him an abstract concept...okay.
Just don't expect everyone to play along. 😛
Originally posted by AllanklesTPwned
Which feats does vell have? Because Takion has manip'd dark matter (the stuff Fallen one is said to manip right?).He's manip'd the speed force, the quantum field and the will power spectrum (Oan energy).
Originally posted by Allankles
Your wasting your time. Having "infinite power" for the likes of Odin and Strange is unsubstantiated. Takion is actually made up of the building blocks of existence, further he is one with this legitimate all encompassing force.
How is any more unsubstantiated than it is for Takion? In literal terms being made up of the building blocks of all existence does NOT equate to having infinite power.Neither does being an avatar of a"legitimate all encompassing force". Feats are what substantiate power on KMC NOT rationlizations or statements. Thats the point of the Odin/strange/cube being comparisons. youve provided nothing in that form and by now im sure u still wont.
What is it about these simple facts that you can't seem to grasp? Why should I entertain you when you have the gall to use hyperbole against a character's actual nature? Please answer me this
lol. u talk about Facts. The fact is yes, he is a part of the source or whatever. The fact that ur fanboyish nature cant seem to comprehend however is that that in itself alone cannot justify anything useful. Takions nature being part of "the building blocks" of existence does not at all warrant to his being placed on abstract level. You know what would? accomplishments on that level.
The character's nature allowed him the capacity to master all reality, what context there is doesn't change the facts. Which are that Takion is one with the ebb and flow of power within the Source and it is this oneness that allowed him the capacity to master reality.
The characters nature allowed him to master reality under specific circumstances. Circumstances which are not present within the KMC environment and which therefore have no bearing in determining his KMC powerlevel. How simple can it get? Can Takion master all reality when NOT in contact with the source wall? NO. Then in an environment where he wouldbe unable to access the source wall what powerlevel is used by default? The level of the character when NOT accessing the source wall. Do u get that Allan? Or does the ugly fanboy within still feel like rearing its head?
The Source Wall is not a power source, the Source is the power, so the context is quite evidently irrelevant in my assessment of Takion's abilities - I don't need to tell you that Takion's nature was the primary reason for this.
Gibberish. The source wall may not be the powersource, but it needs to be acessed by takion in order for him to reach the"master of all reality powerlevels". How the hell can u then tell me that that detail is irrelevant in assesing Takions capabilities and powerlevel in a KMC environment in which the source wall will be absent? I really hope u dont take urself seriously.
Why are you so dense? What does the context have to do with the character's ability? I sighted the context because I knew it doesn't change the characters actual ability. It's omission in one scenario or another is irrelevant (understand this before you continue to make pointless posts). It has no basis on a specific kmc vs scenario (those are only scenarios afterall).
This all kinds of retarded. What does context have to do with it? how moronic. Context has EVRYTHING TO DO WITH IT. We are addressing the characters ability ON KMC. Understand this my foolish friend, we are not talking of particular vs scenarios here. We are talking of the standard encompassing KMC environment in which the discussions on powerlevel are being situated in(tiers list). I have no cares for Takions powerlevel when he is accessing the source wall. That is an external circumstance. What is relevant here is Takions powerlevel when NOT influenced by any external context or circumstance. End of story.
And I already gave you a scan explaining his abilities. You obviously didn't read it. It says the Takion has no limitations, physically or metaphysically because he's made up of the building blocks that form existence. (scan) In the scan it is explained that Highfather created him as a weapon with no limits, unparalleled versatility, with a body that could accomplish anything. (scan) Takion is made up of the Source (pure Source) , the author goes to state that this allows him to do anything, be anything, go anywhere. (scan) It's so laughable that you'll argue against a characters actual abilities. Takion's powers are legitimized by where he came from and what he is, it's obvious you can't seem to wrap your head around that. Then you bring up comments about Odin and Strange, as if they are even the same thing, even within the fictional constants that define them
Absolute nonsense. U showed a scan that stated his abilities and u didnt show me any actual feats or accomplishments of his with those abilities. Do u seriously think that a statement saying "Takion has infinite power because hes made up of the building blocks that form existence substantiates an abstract power placement?
Or that another statement like "High father created him as a weapon with a body that could accomplish anything" does?
Or that another statement saying that "his being made up of the source is what allows hims him to do anything go anywhere etc" holds enough weight for that?
Then u are a bigger joke than i thought(actually probly not). Saying he has infinite power because he is part of the source doesnt legitimize anything. Actual feats and accomplishments of his do.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No, but you do have to have a substantially high power level. Odin's only skyfather and he can destroy galaxies...Takion doesn't have the power to be abstract-level in power. If you want to play the equivocation game and say that him being an avatar of the Source makes him an abstract concept...okay.
Just don't expect everyone to play along. 😛
Orion put a 5th of the power to collapse a reality/dimension in CO. Takion is more powerful.
Originally posted by Allankles
He can take any form (shown), assume any size, go anywhere.Naijaboy: what's so special about being made up of Source?
Author: The Source is the building block of existence in DC, and Takion is made of this Source. Takion has no mass (he has less substance than light). This allows him to take any form or size, be anywhere and do anything.
Author: He's one with the ebb and flow of the Source, the power flows through him, he is the power.
Naija boy: Odin has "infinite power".
Logic: How is such a statement substantiated? Are you going to argue that being made of the Source is insignificant? That being one with it is irrelevant? We are arguing fiction afterall.
Basically, read the scan I posted a few pages ago. Process it, if it doesn't convince you, it's all good. We don't need all the retarded blather.
rubbish its more like
-Naijaboy- What makes Takion on abstract level?
Allanlkes- Hes part of teh source!! dur
Naija boy- What so special about being part of the source?
Allankles substitute for feats-"The Source is the building block of existence in DC, and Takion is made of this Source. Takion has no mass (he has less substance than light). This allows him to take any form or size, be anywhere and do anything.
Author: He's one with the ebb and flow of the Source, the power flows through him, he is the power."
Naijaboy- Numerous characters have proclaimed power that is based on one reason or the other. On KMC we use feats to properly guage these characters powerlevel within the KMC environment.
Allankles- He is part of teh sourceJumpy
Originally posted by Allankles
Which feats does vell have? Because Takion has manip'd dark matter (the stuff Fallen one is said to manip right?).He's manip'd the speed force, the quantum field and the will power spectrum (Oan energy).
Just so you know, I only list this not to get into a feat war, but to simply point out that yeah, Genis controls all energy too. Like Takion. Like Solar. Like a few other dudes in comics.