Originally posted by AllanklesTakion was killed by the godwave which was less than infinite energy.
Actually he is capable of channelling "infinite energy" the only draw back is the consciousness of Sanders that inhabits the Takion avatar. According to Highfather, he need only open himself to the power. Takion is one with the ebb and flow of the Source, it fills him, it is him (Takion # 1). He is the power (for he is one with it) again from Takion # 1.So he has no actual limit. Also his body is made of pure Source, it has no actual limits, its appearance and limitations are determined by Sanders belief in the human spirit (I put up the scan a few pages back).
Originally posted by kevdudeI was comparing Death of the new gods to final crisis. I think death was much better, but you are free to disagree.
Agreed, anyone who thinks the crap that Starlins writes is good compared to Kirby or Morrison has no idea what there reading. 😂
Originally posted by AllanklesOk, the point is in the dcu like you said less than infinite power can rule the dcu. Not in marvel.
The Source had began to die reread Genesis 3. And the godwave was going to give the one that possessed it mastery of all reality.
Originally posted by AllanklesI know.
They're your eyes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Takion was killed by the godwave which was less than infinite energy. I was comparing Death of the new gods to final crisis. I think death was much better, but you are free to disagree.
Death of the New Gods was ok but Final Crisis was/is the LOTR in DCU. If Morrison wrote DTNG it would have been a bit different and probably a little better IMO. 😎
Earth hardly had any chance at all against the evil gods near death, if they arrived healthy at 100% the heros would have never had a chance (they barely did to begin with).
Originally posted by kevdudeI highly doubt that. Darkseid was a lot more powerful in death of the new gods. I liked the way Darkseid was portrayed. Ds outsmarted the Source albeit temporarily while Morrison had Bruce wayne get the better of Ds. I guess that is your cup of tea.
Death of the New Gods was ok but Final Crisis was/is the LOTR in DCU. If Morrison wrote DTNG it would have been a bit different and probably a little better IMO. 😎
Originally posted by quanchi112
I highly doubt that. Darkseid was a lot more powerful in death of the new gods. I liked the way Darkseid was portrayed. Ds outsmarted the Source albeit temporarily while Morrison had Bruce wayne get the better of Ds. I guess that is your cup of tea.
I agree, Darkseid in DTNG was the most powerful I've seen, having to the point to have The Source itself step in and stop him which is very extreme. A lot of things led to his demise in FC not just Batman, the overall theme was to not use him up to much until the very end which makes it that much more dramatic.
Originally posted by Allankles
Are you deliberately being dense? Since when can the likes of Odin and Strange do anything they will. Being able to master all reality is doing what you will.
Having no physical or metaphysical limitation; having a link to an actual infinite power source, being absolutely one with this force allows him to do anything he wills.
lmao. U are attempting to use no limit fallacy to argue and ur asking me if im being dense? Now im sure something is wrong with u. Both Odin and doctor strange have been said to have "infinite power" and be omnipotent and they actually have feats MORE impressive than Takion. The same goes for cube beings,elder gods and we could go on and on and on. What do u have against feats and context? How is Takion a master of all reality? By touching the source Wall? did u see the Source wall in the KMC battlefield? Damn u really are a special kind of idiot. U completely dodged that part of my post where i showed what you in ur daftness claimed initially. If ur going to try to ignore context at least
TRY NOT TO PROVIDE THE CONTEXT IN AN EARLIER POST! This is getting beyond ridiculous. Also u didnt answer my question (no surprise there) who were the beings that got their powers shut off by Takion?
Stop dodging the facts, he's one with the power. He is one with the flow of this vast and infinite energy, only Sanders limits what the Takion avatar can do. I fail to see what's hard to grasp about being one with the Source, it is further explained that Takion is the power, being that he is completely in sync with it, he is made up of the Source :fact.
Dodging facts? lol. Do u think at all? Your the one who said that Takion could control all reality by coming in contact with the Source Wall. Thats the only fact thats been dodged here u freaking retard. U fail to see whats so hard to grasp about being one with source? Well no surprise there. The point isnt finding it hard to understand that Takion is "one with the source" but rather actually wanting to see the feats that make his being "one with the source" impressive in regards to KMC. But go ahead and dodge the part of thepost requesting for feats.But please, Dont stop making a fool of urself on my account. Its quite amusing really.
Again with the dense replies. You're arguing like a total noob. I was saying that his abilities have been substantiated (it had nothing to do with being abstract). Takion is an avatar of the spirit that embodies all things, this makes him abstract. His made up of the building blocks of existence. Does it get any more abstract? He is not merely an energy being. Being able to control all reality by virtue of your link to the Source makes him abstract, your daft reasoning that there's no source wall in scenario x, doesn't change the character's abilities. Are you even reading your responses?
More retardation. U argument is admittedly based on no limit fallacy! and u have the audacity to claim im arguing like a "noob"(lol). What nonsense. the point has always been if he has displayed anything with his abilities to make him an abstract in KMC powerlevel terms. You admitted that this was all that was relevant(KMC powerlevels) just a few posts ago for heavens sake.! Now u have once again tried to ignore the fact that is whats relevant and whats being discussed and instead go back to semantics about what an abstract really is. Its nothing but pathetic. Being able to control all reality via ur link to the source wall (and im still waiting to see this example) makes him abstract level when he is in contact with the source wall! The Takion being discussed here is not in contact with it so its IRRELEVANT. Father God!. The powerlevels being discussed are KMC powerlevels which means that we are judging his abilities within the KMC setting. This isnt some "scenario x" (LMAO), this is the general environment in which powerlevels are being determined. Try and put aside ur idiotic bias and realize that this whole discussion about powerlevels is within the KMC context. Damn
More retarded reasoning. Being abstract is about what he embodies, more accurately, the comics say he's one with the Source of all things. Your generalizations are played out, and don't even address the matter at hand, get that bs outta here.
Pure foolishness. Being abstract level via KMC powerlevel is all that is relevant here. Ive said it numerous times that thats what im referring to. Instead when ur no limit fallacy has failed,ur deliberate omission of context has failed and ur laughable attempts at dodging have failed, u resort to semantics when the issue being discussed is clear as day. 😱
Yikes!!! It's called covering my bases against a known SS fan. Now you're coming off as butt hurt, goes a long way in explaining the tone of your responses thus far.
Butthurt?.......um yeah.lol U referred to an argument which was never made by me. Maybe in ur world its called covering ur bases but in reality its called strawmanning. Really this is just disgraceful.
Originally posted by AllanklesWatch your tone when addressing mighty Thanos.
Yep! A guy who looks like the love child of a Skrull and Barney with a red and orange lightshow for a body would qualify for scary.
Originally posted by kevdudeI am just saying that Ds was above everyone until Superman's involvement while he wasn't in fc. He went down pretty easily and the guy with no powers pulled it off.
I agree, Darkseid in DTNG was the most powerful I've seen, having to the point to have The Source itself step in and stop him which is very extreme. A lot of things led to his demise in FC not just Batman, the overall theme was to not use him up to much until the very end which makes it that much more dramatic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch your tone when addressing mighty Thanos. I am just saying that Ds was above everyone until Superman's involvement while he wasn't in fc. He went down pretty easily and the guy with no powers pulled it off.
He did not go down very easy at all Quan, I don't know why you always go that route as if you never read the story...
Originally posted by kevdudeI did read the story kev. My point is that someone as low as Batman couldn't even compete on Darkseid's level in death of the new gods. No way Starlin would have wayne firing off a bullet filled with radion in it to mortally wound Darkseid.
He did not go down very easy at all Quan, I don't know why you always go that route as if you never read the story...
Your reading comprehension is usually off.
Originally posted by Naija boy
lmao. U are attempting to use no limit fallacy to argue and ur asking me if im being dense? Now im sure something is wrong with u. Both Odin and doctor strange have been said to have "infinite power" and be omnipotent and they actually have feats MORE impressive than Takion. The same goes for cube beings,elder gods and we could go on and on and on. What do u have against feats and context? How is Takion a master of all reality? By touching the source Wall? did u see the Source wall in the KMC battlefield? Damn u really are a special kind of idiot. U completely dodged that part of my post where i showed what you in ur daftness claimed initially. If ur going to try to ignore context at least
[B]TRY NOT TO PROVIDE THE CONTEXT IN AN EARLIER POST! This is getting beyond ridiculous. Also u didnt answer my question (no surprise there) who were the beings that got their powers shut off by Takion?
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Your wasting your time. Having "infinite power" for the likes of Odin and Strange is unsubstantiated. Takion is actually made up of the building blocks of existence, further he is one with this legitimate all encompassing force.
What is it about these simple facts that you can't seem to grasp? Why should I entertain you when you have the gall to use hyperbole against a character's actual nature? Please answer me this.
The character's nature allowed him the capacity to master all reality, what context there is doesn't change the facts. Which are that Takion is one with the ebb and flow of power within the Source and it is this oneness that allowed him the capacity to master reality.
The Source Wall is not a power source, the Source is the power, so the context is quite evidently irrelevant in my assessment of Takion's abilities - I don't need to tell you that Takion's nature was the primary reason for this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did read the story kev. My point is that someone as low as Batman couldn't even compete on Darkseid's level in death of the new gods. No way Starlin would have wayne firing off a bullet filled with radion in it to mortally wound Darkseid.Your reading comprehension is usually off.
🤪 Anyway, why is Starlin not in Marvel anymore?? Do you know? I've heard they've had some disagreements.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Dodging facts? lol. The point isnt finding it hard to understand that Takion is "one with the source" but rather actually wanting to see the feats that make his being "one with the source" impressive.
Why are you so dense? What does the context have to do with the character's ability? I sighted the context because I knew it doesn't change the characters actual ability. It's omission in one scenario or another is irrelevant (understand this before you continue to make pointless posts). It has no basis on a specific kmc vs scenario (those are only scenarios afterall).
Mastering reality qualifies as a feat genius, an ability made possible by his connection to the Source. His body has no limits because he's made of pure Source, he can be anywhere be anything because of this. This is based on the comic scans I posted some pages ago.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The powerlevels being discussed are KMC powerlevels which means that we are judging his abilities within the KMC setting.
And I already gave you a scan explaining his abilities. You obviously didn't read it.
It says the Takion has no limitations, physically or metaphysically because he's made up of the building blocks that form existence. (scan)
In the scan it is explained that Highfather created him as a weapon with no limits, unparalleled versatility, with a body that could accomplish anything. (scan)
Takion is made up of the Source (pure Source) , the author goes to state that this allows him to do anything, be anything, go anywhere. (scan)
It's so laughable that you'll argue against a characters actual abilities. Takion's powers are legitimized by where he came from and what he is, it's obvious you can't seem to wrap your head around that.
Then you bring up comments about Odin and Strange, as if they are even the same thing, even within the fictional constants that define them.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Butthurt?.......um yeah.lol U referred to an argument which was never made by me. Maybe in ur world its called covering ur bases but in reality its called strawmanning. Really this is just disgraceful.
A strawman is an argument, genius. I don't remember making an argument over SS. Stop using terms that don't even apply. Strawman (pfft), show me where I was making an argument, I was squashing an avenue for fanboy tangents, nothing more.