New Gods VS Not New Gods....

Originally posted by Allankles
An abstract suggest beyond top tier, Orion as an example has varied portrayals. From being able to defeat S'Ivaa in his true form while getting downplayed in his JLU days. Or providing part of the power to collapse a universe.

The nonsense knows no bounds. Being an "abstract" does NOT mean he is more than a top tier when all he has are feats showing he is a top tier. Please provide context for the S'ivaa incident (im sure ur lying/misinterpreting/leaving out something) as i seem to remember superman also being involved in that incident. Regardless "Orions true" form is certainly NOT what is normally seen in comics. Also provide context for the "collapsing universe" feat cuz iirc it was definitely not Orion alone.

Same thing applies with DS but at least he has the avatars excuse; besides, using Supes as an example is not exactly proof of anything. Supes has a history of punching and winning above his weight class.

What legitimate abstract powerlevel beings has supes punched out without any amps/contexts or circumstances surroundin the situation?
Saying "supes normally wins above his weight class" just wont cut it at all.

s far as Takion goes, no being in Genesis was capable of slowing down the god wave and this is inclusive of a 2nd world god. He is tied to the origin of energy, this puts him at a unique position, quite different to other beings who only have the implied power without the legitimacy to accompany it. The source is what legitimizes Takion he's a focus point for it. They don't call him Takion of the Source for nothing.

lol. Is English a problem or something? I have asked aa simple question in as clear language as i can and instead u decide to dodge it and tell me more "Takion of Source" nonsense. I will ask again WHAT HIGH LEVEL BEINGS HAVE TRIED TO AFFECT TAKION AND FAILED? Ur originally laughable efforts to dodge it and replace the answer with conjecture are becoming pitiful. Takion died and only slowed the Godwave for a little period of time. Thats all u have and then expect me to accept ur useless rationalizaions in replacement of feats. lmao. So if i put Takion against someone like Mxy/IG/Eternity u would use the argument "He s Takion of teh source!!" and expect to be taken seriously? Nonsensical no limit fallacy. Get such utter idiocy outta here.

Originally posted by Allankles
An abstract suggest beyond top tier, Orion as an example has varied portrayals. From being able to defeat S'Ivaa in his true form while getting downplayed in his JLU days. Or providing part of the power to collapse a universe.

Same thing applies with DS but at least he has the avatars excuse; besides, using Supes as an example is not exactly proof of anything. Supes has a history of punching and winning above his weight class.

As far as Takion goes, no being in Genesis was capable of slowing down the god wave and this is inclusive of a 2nd world god.

He is tied to the origin of energy, this puts him at a unique position, quite different to other beings who only have the implied power without the legitimacy to accompany it. The source is what legitimizes Takion he's a focus point for it. They don't call him Takion of the Source for nothing.

Allan you crack me up man. He didn't slow down anything he got WTF pwned by the godwave. All the tied to the source's power couldn't help him stop the Godwave... lol. So, name me the beings Taikon has defeated in battle being the he's the will of the source or whatever you called it? Give me the names of who he's defeated? Did you say Taikon was an Abstract along with all the new gods haha lol. Guess that would make Thanos a tier above Abstract cause he'd pwn Orion, Taikon etc etc

Meh...Takion is like Surfer^2.

I dunno that Thanos would beat him...I think not.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh...Takion is like Surfer^2.

I dunno that Thanos would beat him...I think not.

Okay... how could he got destroyed by the Godwave rather easily while others "less" then Taikon haven't. Also, name me the other abstracts, Trans and Top Tiers Taikon has beaten?

he said all the New Gods are abstracts and that is a joke. Thanos would beat Orion, DS to name a few and I hardly consider them ALL abstracts lol

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay... how could he got destroyed by the Godwave rather easily while others "less" then Taikon haven't. Also, name me the other abstracts, Trans and Top Tiers Taikon has beaten?

he said all the New Gods are abstracts and that is a joke. Thanos would beat Orion, DS to name a few and I hardly consider them ALL abstracts lol

Yeah, IMO Thanos would beat DS and Orion, too. For trans and higher, Takion's beaten Stayne, an insane Lightray and helped defeat the Sun Eater. Top tiers include owning GL, Flash, and Captain Atom as a noob.

Takion has way too many exotic powers. Time freezing, stepping inbetween time (to appear faster than the Flash, basically), black hole creation, teleportation, top tier energy manipulation, intangibility, changing his own body into - say - anti-matter, gravitational manipulation, expanding the molecules of other beings to dispurse them (Surfer's talked about doing it, Takion actually has), etc.

So, I think Takion would probably beat Thanos. In-Betweener? IB Owns him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Metron says, '[b]All the people Anti-Life can't affect: the crazy people, the ones wired up different.'

He includes crazy people in that, and he also makes it sound like a lot of people, by saying 'all.'

Magus is extremely evil, and thinks of himself as a God...controlling a thousand worlds via brute force. He definitely counts. [/B]

😂 Yes all the people who can't be effected was right there, what 3 people?? Most of you have no idea what your talking about, nice job Allanklens. btw the Infinity Being/gems was reconned into being made after the MU Big Bang. In the DCU The Source is the reason the Big Bang came about!

Originally posted by kevdude
In the DCU The Source is the reason the Big Bang came about!

Because that's long outdated (being over 12 years old, and such.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Per what? Hopefully not this scan:

Because that's long outdated (being over 12 years old, and such.)

Also in Superman/Batman and every other NG comic. You know that Galan 😕

Originally posted by kevdude
You know that Galan 😕

I'd actually like to know what instances you're referring to, where this was specifically stated? (Not that it matters much, because the 'most recent' info still contradicts it.)

Originally posted by Galan007
That the Source created the big bang? No I don't know that.

I'd actually like to know what instances you're referring to, where this was specifically stated? (Not that it matters much, because the 'most recent' info still contradicts it.)

In NG Secret Files 1 shows the history of the NG's and the DCU beginning with The Source creates it, to go along with that scan. In Superman/Batman 41, 42 Desaad sends Superman with Highfathers staff beyond the Beginning and End to where The Source resides, all things are linked to the Source. In DOV tpb talks about the DCU being the product of The Source, The Voice came right after as it sang the universe into existence. What contradicts it? Starlins Synnar?? Most of what I've seen from his writings do not follow DC continuity and are ignored.

Originally posted by kevdude
In NG Secret Files 1 shows the history of the NG's and the DCU beginning with The Source creates it, to go along with that scan. In Superman/Batman 41, 42 Desaad sends Superman with Highfathers staff beyond the Beginning and End to where The Source resides, all things are linked to the Source. In DOV tpb talks about the DCU being the product of The Source, The Voice came right after as it sang the universe into existence.

Originally posted by kevdude
What contradicts it? Starlins Synnar??

Originally posted by Galan007
None of those specifically state that the Source created the big bang.

Yes. And since it's the most recent information, and has yet to be contradicted, it is also the most canonical.

The scan above shows The Source creating the Big Bang, it was born in the Void and is the void at the same time, it made itself and is God or a very big piece of him.. In NG Secret Files even says The Source creates and is created by the Universe. What do you think the Beginning and End is? You would have to throw out all that we know COIE, IC and FC, ST Great Darkness Saga for Starlins vision to be true, much like his work with NGs in the past and his in DTNG they have been overlooked and ignored.

Originally posted by kevdude
The scan above shows The Source creating the Big Bang,

Originally posted by kevdude
You would have to throw out all that we know COIE, IC and FC, ST Great Darkness Saga for Starlins vision to be true, much like his work with NGs in the past and his in DTNG they have been overlooked and ignored.

Originally posted by Galan007
The scan above is over 12 yars old, too. 🙂

The Source sparking the big bang literally has nothing to do with those series'.

It does not matter if its 12 or 30 years old, it is still canon and treated as such to this very day (even if you count Starlins version). In COIE remember where the Anti-Monitor went? IC is linked with COIE. And FC is the end of the Fourth World and bringing about the Fifth World something we know The Source made happen. All of those storys are about trying to understand God more.

Originally posted by kevdude
It does not matter if its 12 or 30 years old, it is still canon and treated as such to this very day (even if you count Starlins version). In COIE remember where the Anti-Monitor went? IC is linked with COIE. And FC is the end of the Fourth World and bringing about the Fifth World something we know The Source made happen. All of those storys are about trying to understand God more.

Originally posted by kevdude
😂 Yes all the people who can't be effected was right there, what 3 people??

It was clearly more than just those three people, because as Metron points out - others had already been dissected. 3 billion people were affected by the ALE. That means roughly 3 billion people were not.

The Soul Gem has a better record than that.

Also, the Infinity Being being retconned has nothing to do with this thread. Peak Magus (unless using the Magus w/ IG) is Afro Magus with the Soul Gem, and back then for that version of the character the IB was still the cause of the MU.

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

🙄

**** Starlin. That piece of shit wanker needs to get the **** away from DC before he wrecks anything else. 👇

Originally posted by Naija boy
The nonsense knows no bounds. Being an "abstract" does NOT mean he is more than a top tier when all he has are feats showing he is a top tier. Please provide context for the S'ivaa incident (im sure ur lying/misinterpreting/leaving out something) as i seem to remember superman also being involved in that incident. Regardless "Orions true" form is certainly NOT what is normally seen in comics. Also provide context for the "collapsing universe" feat cuz iirc it was definitely not Orion alone.

This overly defensive talk shows a glaringly small capacity to assess things fairly. Abstract suggest above top tier i.e. he's not restrained by a certain combat effective level, all that is irrelevant when we're talking about abstract beings.

Don't come screaming like I don't know Orion's combat level which is merely determined by the physical, cosmic body that evolved in the fourth world, he is a true god, much more than the flesh he wears.

The NG had evolved genetically stable bodies capable enough of housing prime celestials, nothing more.

As far as S'Ivaa goes he was capable of ripping apart the fabric of the cosmos, he was a multiversal threat. And Supes was augmented by the boomtube hence the reason he could contend with S'Ivaa, all this is NG v3.

The collapsed universe was a feat in CO when he collapsed the "anti-life" universe. He arguably provided a 5th of the energy to destroy a reality with his Astro force. Being among 4 other super beings who placed their power to accomplish the feat.

Point is, by current iterations the NG far more than superheroes, and in truth created super heroes (Aurakles) and introduced magic etc etc.

Originally posted by Naija boy
"He s Takion of teh source!!" and expect to be taken seriously? Nonsensical no limit fallacy. Get such utter idiocy outta here.

The rest of your post is completely pointless to thread I don't believe I-B has what it takes to beat Takion. Maybe it is a no-limit fallacy, but there's nothing in the comics that contradicts this estimation. The god-wave in Genesis was threatening the source itself and all reality, Takion was the only being in there capable of slowing it down (and buying the heroes valuable time).

He was also resurrected by the Source after the threat was neutralized. It was also stated that as long as the Source exists (or wishes him to exist) he cannot die.

It's that simple really, anything beyond that must be construed as mere wishful thinking on your part, wanting I-B to be superior, well... tough luck son this is the nature of mythical match-ups.

His connection to the Source once allowed him the capacity to command all reality simply by making contact with the Source Wall.

He's an avatar of the spirit that embodies all things, that's more than just a statement in a character bio.