Originally posted by SurturI know Trump is not a Nazi, but his use of rhetoric is similar to other demagogues, and he definitely used lots of "what did he mean by that" language to gain the racist vote. Nazis don't feel emboldened because people call Trump a Nazi, they feel emboldened by the fact that the candidate they voted for won, and due to his use of flirting-with-racism-and-xenophobia rhetoric, they think he understands them.
Oh christ almighty, no man, no lol. Nazis do not have a major platform. Trump isn't a nazi. So why is it nazis seem emboldened? Because people continually portray him as a nazi, a white supremacist, etc. It gets tiring. Yes, the KKK do support Trump. But he doesn't espouse their views.Using the nazi label as a smear is also unhelpful, and people do it all the time and you seem to not take issue, or if you do you stay quiet about it.
Saying these people have a major platform here is wrong. He has denounced them multiple times.
Yeah, I dislike how some on the left calls anyone they disagree with a Nazi. It is becoming more and more prevalent, and right-leaning discourse is quashed entirely in left-leaning circles. Like I say, I'm not very popular in hard-left discussions. I recognise this fault in the wing of politics I more identify with, but often I'm too scared of being labelled a ****ing Nazi myself to bother discussing this stuff with those kinds of people. I prefer interacting with those on the right in political discourse because we're on opposing sides from the start. I have no interest in leftist circlejerks because I know that if I wank the wrong way I'll get thumped.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
then get a girlfriend, loser
Have you ever noticed between you and me, and essentially you and others like you....you are usually the ones that begin insulting people? Attacking them for things that have nothing to do with what is even being discussed.
You are obsessed with me and what you think you know about my life.
All you do is hurl insults. You think it makes you somehow less pathetic, but it doesn't.
Originally posted by Scribble
I know Trump is not a Nazi, but his use of rhetoric is similar to other demagogues, and he definitely used lots of "what did he mean by that" language to gain the racist vote. Nazis don't feel emboldened because people call Trump a Nazi, they feel emboldened by the fact that the candidate they voted for won, and due to his use of flirting-with-racism-and-xenophobia rhetoric, they think he understands them.Yeah, I dislike how some on the left calls anyone they disagree with a Nazi. It is becoming more and more prevalent, and right-leaning discourse is quashed entirely in left-leaning circles. Like I say, I'm not very popular in hard-left discussions. I recognise this fault in the wing pf politics I more identify with, but often I'm too scared of being labelled a ****ing Nazi myself to bother discussing this stuff with those kinds of people. I prefer interacting with those on the right in political discourse because we're on opposing sides from the start. I have no interest in leftist circlejerks because I know that if I wank the wrong way I'll get thumped.
I have to disagree. I think we are constantly pattered with "Trump is racist, Trump is a nazi, Trump is a white supremacist" rhetoric. It is taken as fact. Racists then think they have this awesome racist now in the WH so they can act out more.
But he's not racist IMO. He just plain words shit stupidly sometimes. I don't think he is racist against blacks or mexicans. But this is constantly pushed.
IMO I think people willingly ignore the fact that Trump is just this bombastic guy and not actually a racist. But they will freak out over anything he says that isn't worded perfectly. It's going to be a very long presidency because of that, because like Bash does to me here, they will twist anything Trump says in order to complain. Like when he called the NFL players kneeling sons of b*tches. "Oh he is attacking their mom!". Come on now. I know the insult is "son of a b*tch", but it's not really used to attack the persons mom, it's another way of calling someone an a-hole. Intelligent people know this, but twist it anyways. It is f*cking insane.
Originally posted by Scribble
Call them anarchists, call them communists, whatever you want, but if you believe that they are not anti-fascists and are in fact fascistic themselves, why would you refer to them as Antifa?
Because they call themselves Antifa lol. If someone in Antifa commits violence it needs to be called out. Refer to it as Antifa California if it's a California chapter if you have to, but no we can't duck around the label if they are committing violence.
That is my point, if people is masks show up with weapons and commit acts of violence and they say they are part of an Antifa chapter...it needs to be noted.