Thor vs Thanos

Originally posted by Enyalus
For the most part, I agree with Kris/CD/OneDumb. But in the course of your arguments, you seem to be downplaying, lowballing, or outright making things up about Thanos' capabilities.

The PG Thor fight is one example. Thanos landed more shots and put him on his ass than vice versa. Yet, Thanos was 'clearly losing' because it was he who was bleeding? Big deal. He had one bloody nostril. And he makes Thor bleed right at the beginning of the fight (the first two-page shot, blood's coming out of Thor's mouth as he falls back). The only reason he doesn't bleed more is because he's got the power gem. When did Champion with the Gem bleed? Or Drax? Or Thanos when that's all he was using? Or Warlock? Etc. That's a lame way to decide 'he was clearly losing.' Because he wasn't. He was winning. Now, he clearly would have lost because Thor was only going to get stronger. And Thanos, probably knowing that, ended it. That's all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
With the Odin fight, he had taken on PG Thor roughly two hours before that. You can tell this because Thanos points out that in three hours the forceblock won't be able to hold him...and, I believe while they're in Asgard, one of them (Gamora?) notes that they only have an hour left before Thor is freed. Plus, he needed to expend energy going through Asgard's armies. And while most wouldn't consider that a big deal...they're all superhuman immortals with thousands of years of combat experience. It wasn't a peak Thanos that fought Odin. And he's been upgraded since.

I agree with everything else you said.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is evident when Odin uses his power to it's near limits. He gets exhausted, or requires the Odin Sleep etc.

Seeing what beings Odin has fought in the last few Eon's, fighting Thanos isn't that impressive at all. He was just surprised that Thanos was still standing.

Odin wouldn't hold back?

Yet as clear by their fight he did. Odin didn't even break so much as a sweat at the end from what I could tell, and the fact that Thanos is still among the living proves so.

I have seen Odin holding back when Asgard is in jeopardy or was being invaded.

Asgard has been invaded in the past, by foes and it seemed that they could match Odin's power, when in truth Odin simply held back his power, and had let events play out as they did in the past.

He did something very akin to this in "Journey into Mystery # 123". I'm not the one showing ignorance, here.

Do you even read my post?

Odin wasn't using his energy etc. He was going physical in a sense, using the Odin Sword to cut of limbs etc.

He wasn't unleashing all of his power, in the form of potent blasts etc. He used his power to empower himself in the Destroyer armor.

I think Odin should have done much better against the Celestials.

Ignored scans?

Ignored what scans?

You posted about two scans regarding the Sentry, which weren't of any significance, yet I still addressed them.

Ignored dialogue?

What dialogue pray tell?

I'm not cherry picking anything. It's called common sense.

Sentry does incredibly vary in terms of power because of his mental stability. At one point he apparently has the power of a million exploding Suns, or wait, didn't they change that to a thousand exploding Suns, then change it back again. He apparently is the strongest Superhero in the world, yet he can't stop a S.H.I.E.L.D Hellicarrier.

Yea, calling Sentry inconsistent because of his stability really is laughable.

I mean he was apparently spitting out power to shred entire planets, yet Captain America, who was right below them, somehow was still alive...

🙄

Of course writers vary in terms of power levels etc. I've already addressed this with you before.

I clearly told you, a few posts back, multiple times, that Odin fluctuates depending on the writer, and that based on these boards rules, we use him at best, meaning he caves Thanos' head in.

You apparently ignored that and went on to say we cannot ignore encounters, yet as evident to everyone else besides yourself Odin iss written to hold back, needing the Odin Sleep etc. or simply toned down to fit a story line.

So like I've said multiple times, Odin stomps Thanos' head in based on these boards rules as we use him at his best.

His overall showings, suggest that he beats the ugly out of Thanos.

Sentry is just plain inconsistent. I love how he says that he has the power of a million exploding Suns in one panel, and that he is being pushed to his limits, and goes on to get knocked out in a single punch.

Sentry is a terrible example, and isn't even applicable here.

Insulting you?

It's just the truth in my opinion. You aren't using common sense.

Some posters may resort to calling names when they have lost the debate. I haven't lost anything and don't recall calling you names etc.

Odin not putting him down, does not mean he can't put him down.

Again, based on these boards rules, and Odin's showings, he "WTFSTOMPS" Thanos.

No, Odin clearly states that he was a worthy opponent. Bottom line and end of story.

You have to prove he would hold back when his realm is being invaded and his son is a prisoner. Knowing Odin you know that simply isn't the case.

This isn't just an invasion. Thor was being held captive. Odin wouldn't fart around with his realm's safety and his son's both on the line.

Odin was obviously exerting more power against the Celestials. Even though his other showings make his power output in that arc look rather low. There isn't one special writer for all these events so power levels vary as do feats of power. Affecting the multiverse makes everything else look like holding back. We simply know that isn't true though.

Sentry while holding back was using enough power to shred worlds while him going all out didn't even wreck the city. The difference is writer's intent. You don't have to have the Sentry shredding worlds to know he is serious, but according to you anything less is him holding back and a low showing.

You ignored Odin's dialogue with regards to Thanos. You also want to ignore the fact that nothing got blown up like a galaxy against Thanos, but ignore it when the Celestials met Odin.

Sentry is a hard character to write for and the writers have him all over the place. That is why he is a perfect example. One moment he is shredding entire worlds while holding back against Photon and the next he can't even stave off the helicarrier with ease. You seem to be on my side it seems.

The point is Odin didn't hold back and only a fool would believe he would wit asgard and his son at stake.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're measuring who was winning the fight based on the number of shots that occurred rather than how the fight was going to conclude. Considering that PG Thor was getting stronger as the fight kept going and he already had crumbled Thanos' shields and drawn blood, it was clear where the fight was going. Did Thanos outright lose? No. But he wasn't winning the fight, he was holding his own and the situation was worsening. I don't consider that winning.

Also, Thanos' energy shields crumpled pretty early on in that fight. Thanos still landed blows afterwards and smiled when Thor threw him into a wall. It wasn't like his shield shattering was a sign that Thanos didn't have a chance.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you have the comic in front of you, can you confirm when Thanos used the three hours quantification? I was under the impression he gave that when they were leaving for Asgard, not before he tried using his instrumentation to banish Valkyrie's influence.

Happens in Blood and Thunder 11 when Thanos makes the 3 hour clause known. He had just put Thor in the forceblock in the previous issue, when Warlock, Strange & co. teleport in. They go directly to the machines in #11 and that's when he says what he does regarding the 3 hours. Later on in that issue, after Valkyrie's reintegration fails and his instruments blow up, he says Thor will break free in less than two hours. The issue ends with that proclaimation, and the next issue (Blood and Thunder part 12) opens with the IW and Thanos landing in Asgard and Thanos one-shotting Heimdall.

So, apparently only roughly one hour ellapsed between his fight with PG Thor, owning Asgard's army, and taking on Odin.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree with everything else you said.

At the point he stopped the fight, Thanos was in trouble. because despite how many points he scored, Thor wasn't slowing down, only getting stronger. That's what I focus on when I say that Thanos was losing that fight. As you admit, Thanos was not going to win if the fight went on. Thor would have won. I consider that situation to be a situation where Thanos is losing.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Happens in Blood and Thunder 11 when Thanos makes the 3 hour clause known. He had just put Thor in the forceblock in the previous issue, when Warlock, Strange & co. teleport in. They go directly to the machines in #11 and that's when he says what he does regarding the 3 hours. Later on in that issue, after Valkyrie's reintegration fails and his instruments blow up, he says Thor will break free in less than two hours. The issue ends with that proclaimation, and the next issue (Blood and Thunder part 12) opens with the IW and Thanos landing in Asgard and Thanos one-shotting Heimdall.

Okay after this post, I officially give up.

If anyone else wants to try and reason with this guy, be my guest, but from this experience, I can honestly say its just a waste of time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, the fight was never finished. So, like I said earlier it's speculative as to whether Odin would need to sleep or not immediately after the fight had it continued.

Odin was completely unharmed. It would be evident that he would need to rest etc. because we would actually see him exerting himself.

Thanos was able to withered the amount of power Odin was pouring out.

It's obvious Odin wasn't going all out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Odin clearly states that he was a worthy opponent. Bottom line and end of story.

A worthy opponent compared to who?

Seeing the beings Odin has fought and done, facing Thanos isn't exactly impressive.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to prove he would hold back when his realm is being invaded and his son is a prisoner. Knowing Odin you know that simply isn't the case.

Are you blind?

I already referenced an issue, where Asgard was being invaded, and Thor was in danger, where Odin held back, and it seemed the opponent was matching him in power, but Odin was only holding back. It's not the first time that Odin held back and let events play out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't just an invasion. Thor was being held captive. Odin wouldn't fart around with his realm's safety and his son's both on the line.

Odin has let events play out before in similar situations. Odin always had control in this situation like he did in others.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin was obviously exerting more power against the Celestials. Even though his other showings make his power output in that arc look rather low. There isn't one special writer for all these events so power levels vary as do feats of power. Affecting the multiverse makes everything else look like holding back. We simply know that isn't true though.

I think Odin should have obviously done much better against the Celestials, but Odin is known to fluctuate in the past.

Either way, that still doesn't change the fact, that according to these boards rules, Odin stomps Thanos.

It's really simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry while holding back was using enough power to shred worlds while him going all out didn't even wreck the city. The difference is writer's intent. You don't have to have the Sentry shredding worlds to know he is serious, but according to you anything less is him holding back and a low showing.

Do you read my posts?

I already addressed this.

Sentry, using pure energy output and him simply using his raw strength, and using concentrated attacks, are two completely different types of fighting.

Either way, Sentry is all talk. He can apparently shred worlds, but Captain America who is standing right in the thick of it, was fine.

Sentry, fluctuates a lot due to his mental stability, and shouldn't even be applicable here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignored Odin's dialogue with regards to Thanos. You also want to ignore the fact that nothing got blown up like a galaxy against Thanos, but ignore it when the Celestials met Odin.

How many times have I responded to the exact same statement? If you want a response, simply read back through my last few posts. Actually read them, this time around.

I mean seriously. You've probably said the same thing twice, and I respond to it, yet you ignore the response and keep posting the same thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry is a hard character to write for and the writers have him all over the place. That is why he is a perfect example. One moment he is shredding entire worlds while holding back against Photon and the next he can't even stave off the helicarrier with ease. You seem to be on my side it seems.

Shredding entire worlds?

Where was he shredding entire worlds?

I've yet to see him do this. For christ sake, Captain America was right there and he was still breathing.

Sentry is all talk. He is inconsistent and writers blame it on his stability. If Sentry actually did what he is stated to be able to do, then he would be a different case.

I respect Sentry a great deal, but he shown that he has the power to shred worlds, or has the power of a million exploding Suns. All talk, which is blamed on his mental stability. Hence he is inconsistent and is not applicable here either way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Odin didn't hold back and only a fool would believe he would wit asgard and his son at stake.

The spell check can be you're friend.

Odin was obviously holding back, and like I've "proven", he has done so in the past, when Asgard was invaded and his son was in jeopardy. Odin had complete control over the situation like he did last time, with his superiority which is evident to everyone but you.

If I swat at a fly, and it got back up, I would be surprised, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a fly. Thanos is the fly in that analogy.

Just making sure, you get it. 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Scans?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay after this post, I officially give up.

If anyone else wants to try and reason with this guy, be my guest, but from this experience, I can honestly say its just a waste of time.

Odin was completely unharmed. It would be evident that he would need to rest etc. because we would actually see him exerting himself.

Thanos was able to withered the amount of power Odin was pouring out.

It's obvious Odin wasn't going all out.

A worthy opponent compared to who?

Seeing the beings Odin has fought and done, facing Thanos isn't exactly impressive.

Are you blind?

I already referenced an issue, where Asgard was being invaded, and Thor was in danger, where Odin held back, and it seemed the opponent was matching him in power, but Odin was only holding back. It's not the first time that Odin held back and let events play out.

Odin has let events play out before in similar situations. Odin always had control in this situation like he did in others.

I think Odin should have obviously done much better against the Celestials, but Odin is known to fluctuate in the past.

Either way, that still doesn't change the fact, that according to these boards rules, Odin stomps Thanos.

It's really simple.

Do you read my posts?

I already addressed this.

Sentry, using pure energy output and him simply using his raw strength, and using concentrated attacks, are two completely different types of fighting.

Either way, Sentry is all talk. He can apparently shred worlds, but Captain America who is standing right in the thick of it, was fine.

Sentry, fluctuates a lot due to his mental stability, and shouldn't even be applicable here.

How many times have I responded to the exact same statement? If you want a response, simply read back through my last few posts. Actually read them, this time around.

I mean seriously. You've probably said the same thing twice, and I respond to it, yet you ignore the response and keep posting the same thing.

Shredding entire worlds?

Where was he shredding entire worlds?

I've yet to see him do this. For christ sake, Captain America was right there and he was still breathing.

Sentry is all talk. He is inconsistent and writers blame it on his stability. If Sentry actually did what he is stated to be able to do, then he would be a different case.

I respect Sentry a great deal, but he shown that he has the power to shred worlds, or has the power of a million exploding Suns. All talk, which is blamed on his mental stability. Hence he is inconsistent and is not applicable here either way.

The spell check can be you're friend.

Odin was obviously holding back, and like I've "proven", he has done so in the past, when Asgard was invaded and his son was in jeopardy. Odin had complete control over the situation like he did last time, with his superiority which is evident to everyone but you.

If I swat at a fly, and it got back up, I would be surprised, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a fly. Thanos is the fly in that analogy.

Just making sure, you get it. 😉

Your comments are laughable and desperate but by all means let the charade go on.

Odin wasn't physically affected at the point the fight was interrupted, but it's speculation say had it continued he would have remained completely unphased.

How is it obvious? I have destroyed your logic with past Odin fights according to your logic. Odin never once stated that he held back and to think he would play with Thanos with his son their captive, it's completely ridiculous. I guess though you'll keep claiming it over and over again.

Those were Odin's words. You can downplay and ignore them all you want. All you are proving is that this bothers you and you just won't accept it.

It's outside this story and I'd like to know the circumstances of what went on. I bet it's safe to say that Odin didn't salute his opponent when mistakenly thinking him defeated. It's funny how desperate you are and the fact that you reference outside storylines to explain what went on in this one. Haha.

He wasn't even sure of the situation and was completely wrong. His assumed them enemies when they were in fact friends to his cause. They wanted to save Thor. I guess Odin was clueless as to what they were actually doing on asgard.

Odin didn't do better against the Celestials. That's the point. No matter how much you want to change that or how he stacked up against Thanos you cannot change that fact.

No, Odin does not stomp Thanos. That never happened in the comics and it sure isn't happening here.

Cap America wasn't fine. Photon teleported him out of there because he didn't want any of them killed and that's what was about to happen.

Oh, so the Sentry is allowed to be inconsistent, but when Odin is so it doesn't count. I see. Picking and choosing. Certain logic applies to certain characters only.

Your answers have been inadequate and full of double standards.

I don't use the spell check. Just because I left out an "h" and you caught it you act like that proves something.

If I saw a fly and it gets back up I don't continue to swat it and then when I fail put out my 12 gauge. Then when that fails salute the fly at the biggest badass fly I have ever ran into. I mean come on. Surfer was like a fly to Odin, but not Thanos. Oh, that's right you ignore this fight completely and Odin's dialogue and pretty much everything else in comics that doesn't suit you. 😉

facepalm

*sigh*

I just read you're post, and we've been over this already. I'm tired of going over the same crap, for the last 7 pages.

Anyone else want's to take a shot? I give up at trying to argue with this guy. It's going no where.

Like I said a few posts earlier, lets agree to disagree, because this isn't going anywhere apparently.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

*sigh*

I just read you're post, and we've been over this already. I'm tired of going over the same crap, for the last 7 pages.

Anyone else want's to take a shot? I give up at trying to argue with this guy. It's going no where.

I've not conceded, because I cannot rebuttal his claims. It's just that I've been going over the same crap for this entire thread. I can respond to his entire post, by quoting my earlier posts.

I'm just wasting my time.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

*sigh*

I just read you're post, and we've been over this already. I'm tired of going over the same crap, for the last 7 pages.

Anyone else want's to take a shot? I give up at trying to argue with this guy. It's going no where.

Like I said a few posts earlier, lets agree to disagree, because this isn't going anywhere apparently.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've not conceded, because I cannot rebuttal his claims. It's just that I've been going over the same crap for this entire thread. I can respond to his entire post, by quoting my earlier posts.

I'm just wasting my time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason it's going nowhere because you refuse to acknowledge their matchup in the comic and want to base it off Odin vs. other opponents.

Now I "know" you haven't been thoroughly reading my posts.

I did not refuse to acknowledge anything and you already said that ridiculous claim earlier and I already addressed it. Maybe you skipped a statement or two. Either way this isn't going anywhere.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Now I "know" you haven't been thoroughly reading my posts.

I did not refuse to acknowledge anything and you already said that ridiculous claim earlier and I already addressed it. Maybe you skipped a statement or two. Either way this isn't going anywhere.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You also fail to acknowledge the fact Thanos has been upgraded since their last battle. Odin's power level is the same while Thanos' has grown.

Fail to acknowledge?

Are you really that oblivious?

I never failed to acknowledge anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said we should throw that fight out and base it off Odin's higher showings. Basically, ignore the comic and Odin's words of respect for Thanos and the fact he didn't even defeat him.

*Sigh*

Now you're just making up shit.

When did I say we should throw out that fight. What I said, is that based on his overall showings, and based on the rules of these boards, Odin at his better examples stomps.

Isn't that how it works here? We use them at their optimal and not when the plot etc. is in play.

This is what I have been saying for this entire thread to that statement. I've already responded to it multiple times, but you're such a schmuck, that you seem to keep ignoring it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Like we both said, Odin's power is fluctuates depending on the story. Some times it is said he severely holds back, or he needs the Odin Sleep etc. Whatever the excuse, it fluctuates.

Based on Odin's "overall" feats in his history and/or higher end feats, and based on the rules of these boards, where characters are used at their better aspect of power, Odin, caves Thanos' head in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin's power level is the same while Thanos' has grown.

Proof?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fail to acknowledge?

Are you really that oblivious?

I never failed to acknowledge anything.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*Sigh*

Now you're just making up shit.

When did I say we should throw out that fight. What I said, is that based on his overall showings, and based on the rules of these boards, Odin at his better examples stomps.

Isn't that how it works here? We use them at their optimal and not when the plot etc. is in play.

This is what I have been saying for this entire thread to that statement. I've already responded to it multiple times, but you're such a schmuck, that you seem to keep ignoring it.

We don't ignore comic book fights between these characters though. I don't say on this board thor stomps Gladiator because he crushed the Surfer ignoring Gladiator's fight with Thor. Abc logic only works if these characters have never faced off.

Originally posted by Avlon
Proof?