Thor vs Thanos

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Even if we were to only take into account Apocalypse's high feats, he still wouldn't be a match for Tyrant.

While I'm thinking about it, what are the numerous feats Tyrant has that gains him such respect in your eyes? Losing to Galactus or beating Surfer and the rest when he had an army of mechs backing him? How much sense would it make for me to say that Tyrant's fight with Thanos was nothing but PIS due to a superior number of feats from Thanos outside their battle?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Both Thanos and Odin have been around for a long time and have a plethora of feats to back them up. My point is if you were to take all of Thanos' high feats (without IG, CC, etc) and compare them to Odin's high feats, it's clear that Odin is on a different level. Yet, when they met each other, the writer tried to make it seem like they were closer in level than their long history of feats deems them to be.

And truth be told, I'm pretty sure that Odin has some low end feats to his credit that Thanos lacks. Didn't Thor square off with Odin a couple of times(I'm pretty sure I heard that)? If so, did Odin handle him with ease that Thanos did BEFORE his upgrade by Mistress Death(I think Thanos put him down in 2 or 3 shots total)?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Besides, if Thanos were near Odin in power level, then his and the IW's fight against the heroes would have been absolutely no contest.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, you're basing that assessment on a lack of showings from Thanos rather than showings that actually place him below Odin. You can't penalyze the combat showings he has him because he's portrayed as a schemer that doesn't fight with people on his level very often. You have to show Thanos losing to someone less powerful than Odin before you can rightly claim that Odin should have walked all over him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And truth be told, I'm pretty sure that Odin has some low end feats to his credit that Thanos lacks. Didn't Thor square off with Odin a couple of times(I'm pretty sure I heard that)? If so, did Odin handle him with ease that Thanos did BEFORE his upgrade by Mistress Death(I think Thanos put him down in 2 or 3 shots total)?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Odin did walk all over him. Thanos sure tanked a lot of damage, but Odin wasn't exhausted by any means. He was just ticked off that he kept underestimating Thanos' durability. And Thanos didn't even manage to harm Odin. The difference in power is further revealed when you extrapolate from Thanos' fight with PG Thor. Thanos was clearly losing to Power Gem Thor. His shields crumpled and PG Thor drew blood. But PG Thor wasn't powerful enough yet to get past that plot device forceblock gun. Yet, Odin got out of it in an instant. Clear power difference.

Meh, I agree that Odin shattered the forceblock with ease, while PG Thor did not. However, Thanos was not losing that fight. Re-read it. You'll see that Thanos landed more shots, and put him on the ground more times.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not to my recollection, no. Closest actual fight between the two that I can recall was a non-fight during a war between the Skyfathers and the Eternals. Thor sided with the Eternals. Whilst arguing with each other, Odin fired a Gungnir blast at Thor and Thor defended against it with Mjolnir. I'll have to peruse my Thor collection again though.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh, I agree that Odin shattered the forceblock with ease, while PG Thor did not. However, Thanos was not losing that fight. Re-read it. You'll see that Thanos landed more shots, and put him on the ground more times.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I also recall one time when Thor was pissed....about, Masterson dying, I think. Flew up to Asgard insulting Odin, and Odin fires a blast from his hand which one-shot KO's Thor back to Earth.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Odin did walk all over him. Thanos sure tanked a lot of damage, but Odin wasn't exhausted by any means. He was just ticked off that he kept underestimating Thanos' durability. And Thanos didn't even manage to harm Odin. The difference in power is further revealed when you extrapolate from Thanos' fight with PG Thor. Thanos was clearly losing to Power Gem Thor. His shields crumpled and PG Thor drew blood. But PG Thor wasn't powerful enough yet to get past that plot device forceblock gun. Yet, Odin got out of it in an instant. Clear power difference.

And if we start extrapolating from his earlier fight with Thor then we also have to take the fact that Thanos had just fought off the Asgardian Army after going a couple of rounds with someone who was able to dust Strange, Surfer, and the IW simultaneously. Odin started the fight "fresh"...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not to my recollection, no. Closest actual fight between the two that I can recall was a non-fight during a war between the Skyfathers and the Eternals. Thor sided with the Eternals. Whilst arguing with each other, Odin fired a Gungnir blast at Thor and Thor defended against it with Mjolnir. I'll have to peruse my Thor collection again though.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being the primary aggressor doesn't equal walking all over your opponent IMO. I'm in no way claiming that Thanos was effective in his assaults on Odin, but Thanos WAS fighting back and was withstanding everything Odin dished out.

And if we start extrapolating from his earlier fight with Thor then we also have to take the fact that Thanos had just fought off the Asgardian Army after going a couple of rounds with someone who was able to dust Strange, Surfer, and the IW simultaneously. Odin started the fight "fresh"...

The word, "withstand" carries a connotation that he overcame it and I'm not comfortable with that at all. I think a more proper characterizaton of the fight is that Thanos weathered everything that Odin dished out.

Thanos had many hours to heal while trying to unsuccessfully banish the Valkryie's hold on Thor. And those Asgardians weren't really all that much.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not about being a primary aggressor at all. Thanos struggled to affect Odin several times. His greatest feat in that fight was mightily struggling through a torrent of Gungnir blasts. And while both of them soared into the air and landed in a tremendous explosion of power, Odin was again, unphased and arrogant, whereas Thanos was laid out on the ground long enough for Odin to gloat prematurely. The punishment he was taking is evident in Thanos' slow, deliberate and shaky rise to his feet.

The word, "withstand" carries a connotation that he overcame it and I'm not comfortable with that at all. I think a more proper characterizaton of the fight is that Thanos weathered everything that Odin dished out.

Thanos had many hours to heal while trying to unsuccessfully banish the Valkryie's hold on Thor. And those Asgardians weren't really all that much.

And are you sure he had hours, because Thanos made it seem like Thor was going to break out pretty quick.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But f he fought his way THROUGH Gungir's blast, didn't he effectively overcome Gungir's blast?

And are you sure he had hours, because Thanos made it seem like Thor was going to break out pretty quick.

And to elaborate further so you don't get the impression that I'm just mincing words for the sake of it: If we placed Odin and Thanos on another battlefield, and Odin blasted him with Gungnir and Thanos waded through and grabbed Gungnir and then they both stopped... I would consider that as Thanos withstanding everything Odin dished out. But there's more to their fight then just him struggling through Gungnir's blast.

Thanos spent time conferring with the Infinity Watch and hooking PG Thor up to his instrumentation. That was quantified to be hours, IIRC. Those comments of Thor's imminent breakout were made after Thanos' attempt to banish the Valkryie failed. When I get home, I'll check the issues again and confirm.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He overcame the Gungnir blast, yes. But he didn't overcome everything Odin dished out, i.e. all the pimpslapping/blasting, the Gungnir blast and the calamitous skydive that wrecked Asgard. He weathered everything Odin dished out.

And to elaborate further so you don't get the impression that I'm just mincing words for the sake of it: If we placed Odin and Thanos on another battlefield, and Odin blasted him with Gungnir and Thanos waded through and grabbed Gungnir and then they both stopped... I would consider that as Thanos withstanding everything Odin dished out. But there's more to their fight then just him struggling through Gungnir's blast.

Thanos spent time conferring with the Infinity Watch and hooking PG Thor up to his instrumentation. That was quantified to be hours, IIRC. Those comments of Thor's imminent breakout were made after Thanos' attempt to banish the Valkryie failed. When I get home, I'll check the issues again and confirm.

Cool cause I don't remember them ever quantifying it as hours. I may have just overlooked that due to a lack of concern about it at the time though so you may very well be right.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool cause I don't remember them ever quantifying it as hours. I may have just overlooked that due to a lack of concern about it at the time though so you may very well be right.

Not sure how this becamen an Odin vs Thanos thread...but, Thanos best feat is not dying.

Otherwise he was completely outmatched and embarrassed. Like a kid who manages to catch his fathers belt during a whooping.

Good feat? Certainly. A match for his opponent. Not even close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculative either way about the orb. It is still an unknown variable.

This scan pisses me off. It shows me that I don't have the full fight downloaded onto my Thanos disc. I suspected this as Thanos' line of prove this seems to come out of nowhere like I missed something. 😠 Who the hell downloads a comic, but not the entire one and leaves certain pages out. I own the comic somewhere in a box, but don't get into my real comics anymore. I 'll have to download this storyline and hope this time it contains the whole comic.

The first blast was basically laughed off. It was like getting hit by a gentle breeze.

No, Thanos has manhandled the Hulk physically before with the aid of the Thing. I have never seen Thanos manhandled like this before physically.

What low showings does Tyrant have to suggest Odin is more powerful?

Thanos agreed that Tyrant probably would kill him, but that he withstood him long enough for him. The point is Tyrant was above him and Thanos basically agreed. Thanos never agreed with Odin or backed down.

I'm not sure how much longer the Odin fight is now because there are pages missing from comic now that I see your scan.

Thanos also had Surfer's help against Odin at the beginning, and their combined blasts couldn't faze Odin. I seriously doubt whatever energy was in that orb, if any, possessed more power than SS.

The first blast didn't faze Odin. Then when he decided to put more into it, he knocked Thanos back easily.

Again, it doesn't matter if Thanos was manhandled physically, because that doesn't make you more powerful overall. It just means you are physically strong enough to pick up Thanos.

It's not about Tyrant's low showings. It's about him not having nearly enough high showings to compete with Odin's.

I never doubted that Tyrant was above Thanos and still don't. The fact is, however, that Thanos, even with Surfer's help, couldn't hurt Odin, but he had no problem hurting Tyrant.

The fights have about a 1-2 page difference in length.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Thanos' upper limits were never truly tested. It states it right in the comic. If you want to ignore it and put it into the pis because you don't like it then be my guest. But it's completely ridiculous.

Thor was increasing his power virtually every second and physically Odin couldn't put him down imo. Warlock didn't forget anything. That's your problem you want to ignore dialogue to sell your point. You do it over and over again.

Odin was winning. Thanos was smoking. Thanos got up and was ready for more. Against Galactus he pleaded with him to stop because he realized Galactus could kill him. Not the case when he met up with Odin.

Odin only injured him due to gungir. Had the fight go on who knows what would have happened. Just because someone is wining that doesn't mean the other person can't snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

No, Odin was astonished that Thanos was still in the fight.

No, his clothes were completely destroyed. Thanos' clothes were only smoking against Odin.

Tyrant got what Galactus wanted. That's the point. Galactus went away without his personal herald. Galactus rarely backs down and has taken Meph on in his own realm for his herald before, but not in this case.

Yes, but he realized there was nothing he could do to Galactus and that he was on the verge of death. This was not the case against Odin. He disputed Odin's superiority the entire time. He admitted his might was nothing next to Galactus'.

Thanos would not die or risk death in saving Thor. That is obvious why he didn't back down or give up. He was nowhere near death and made a complete recovery on his own.

Speculation. It is still an unknown variable. You can't prove it either way.

So if Thanos were at Odin's level, then the fight with him and the Watch vs the heroes in IW should have been a cakewalk. However, it wasn't. Thanos failed to put down some of the heroes by the time the fight was interrupted. Doesn't sound even close to a skyfather to me.

Thanos has never pleaded for his life from anyone, even when he knew he was outclassed. Hell, he even sh*t-talked Walker, whom was easily far above Thanos. That doesn't mean anything.

Speculating that Thanos would have come back had the fight continued is like me speculating that Odin would have killed Thanos with one more shot. We don't know. What we do know is that at the end of the fight, Thanos was down on all fours recovering while Odin was standing unscratched. The only reason Thanos even got up at all is because Odin stopped attacking and allowed him the chance to surrender.

He was astonished Thanos was still alive after the first two blasts. After the fight, he knew Thanos was still alive and gave him the chance to surrender. There was no look of astonishment or surprised on Odin's face when Thanos refused.

Thanos's clothes were only smoking against Galactus, too, but Thanos was damaged from that single blast more than he was in either the Tyrant or Odin fight.

Tyrant wanted to keep all of them. He agreed to let the others go, because he knew he wasn't ready for a fight against Galactus, either. That is stated in the comic.

Thanos knew his might was nothing to Galactus' when he first attacked him, too. But he did it anyway and suffered the consequences because that's what he had to do to save the universe. The only reason he begged Galactus to stop was so he could stop Galactus from making his mistake and letting the Hunger in.

Of course Thanos completely recovered on his own. He's an Eternal. That's what they do. Again, Thanos agreed that he was on the good side even before he went to Asgard, so he was going to do what he had to do to help.

Can you prove the orb had more power than SS? Because Thanos and SS combining their attack couldn't even budge Odin, yet Thanos was able to knock Tyrant down on his own.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nice sig "Celestial Demon".

Thanks! Yours, too.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't Apocalypse once stalemate the High Evolutionary who in turn once stalemated Galactus?

Where did HE stalemate Galactus? The only fight I remember is HE running after one or two attacks.

Originally posted by darthgoober
While I'm thinking about it, what are the numerous feats Tyrant has that gains him such respect in your eyes? Losing to Galactus or beating Surfer and the rest when he had an army of mechs backing him? How much sense would it make for me to say that Tyrant's fight with Thanos was nothing but PIS due to a superior number of feats from Thanos outside their battle?

I didn't put Tyrant on such a high pedestal. I think he's below Odin. However, Tyrant did take out Surfer and co himself, because his army failed big time. He took all of their attacks like nothing and knocked them around like they were children. That's pretty impressive.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, you're basing that assessment on a lack of showings from Thanos rather than showings that actually place him below Odin. You can't penalyze the combat showings he has him because he's portrayed as a schemer that doesn't fight with people on his level very often. You have to show Thanos losing to someone less powerful than Odin before you can rightly claim that Odin should have walked all over him.

Thanos was not able to budge Odin at all, even with Surfer's help. Odin was able to one-shot SS, something Thanos has never been able to do in their numerous confrontations. That right there shows you the difference in their power levels.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And truth be told, I'm pretty sure that Odin has some low end feats to his credit that Thanos lacks. Didn't Thor square off with Odin a couple of times(I'm pretty sure I heard that)? If so, did Odin handle him with ease that Thanos did BEFORE his upgrade by Mistress Death(I think Thanos put him down in 2 or 3 shots total)?

If you want to go by low showings, post-upgrade Thanos was also beaten down by Eric Masterson Thor in IG. The only thing that saved him was the PG. Odin doesn't have anything that low.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did anyone actually hurt Thanos or come close to putting him down in that fight? If not, it's not proof that he should have went down to less than Odin.

I'm not saying he should have gone down or even that he was harmed. My point is he himself wasn't able to put down Hulk and Thor during that fight. If he were near Odin in power level, that wouldn't have been a problem, because Odin has one-shot people on that level with ease before.

For the most part, I agree with Kris/CD/OneDumb. But in the course of your arguments, you seem to be downplaying, lowballing, or outright making things up about Thanos' capabilities.

The PG Thor fight is one example. Thanos landed more shots and put him on his ass than vice versa. Yet, Thanos was 'clearly losing' because it was he who was bleeding? Big deal. He had one bloody nostril. And he makes Thor bleed right at the beginning of the fight (the first two-page shot, blood's coming out of Thor's mouth as he falls back). The only reason he doesn't bleed more is because he's got the power gem. When did Champion with the Gem bleed? Or Drax? Or Thanos when that's all he was using? Or Warlock? Etc. That's a lame way to decide 'he was clearly losing.' Because he wasn't. He was winning. Now, he clearly would have lost because Thor was only going to get stronger. And Thanos, probably knowing that, ended it. That's all.

With the Odin fight, he had taken on PG Thor roughly two hours before that. You can tell this because Thanos points out that in three hours the forceblock won't be able to hold him...and, I believe while they're in Asgard, one of them (Gamora?) notes that they only have an hour left before Thor is freed. Plus, he needed to expend energy going through Asgard's armies. And while most wouldn't consider that a big deal...they're all superhuman immortals with thousands of years of combat experience. It wasn't a peak Thanos that fought Odin. And he's been upgraded since.

It's pretty obvious (to me, and most people) that Odin didn't unleash his full power against Thanos. Why? Because Odin would need the Odinsleep afterward if he had, and he didn't. But, to say he was just toying with Thanos or something along those lines is equally ridiculous.

And the latest one, is the supposed evidence of the IW fight? I would hope that someone noticed that Quasar erected his barrier around the IW, and that all of the heroes assembled attempted to bust it up - including Thor throwing Mjolnir. Yet, nothing even scratched it. Then, Thanos shatters it easily with an energy blast. After that, he proceeded to take on Hercules, Thor, Hulk and Thing simultaneously. He also gets hit by Nova to zero effect. And wasn't visibly affected by anything any of the heroes did, nor did he have so much as a scratch on him throughout. The only 'low' feat he had in that battle was his physical punch matching the power of Thor swinging Mjolnir...

So anywho, Thanos in #1 and Thor in #2.

And Odin vs. recent Thanos would be a good matchup. Definitely going to Odin. Definitely not a walk-over.

Originally posted by Enyalus
For the most part, I agree with Kris/CD/OneDumb. But in the course of your arguments, you seem to be downplaying, lowballing, or outright making things up about Thanos' capabilities.

The PG Thor fight is one example. Thanos landed more shots and put him on his ass than vice versa. Yet, Thanos was 'clearly losing' because it was he who was bleeding? Big deal. He had one bloody nostril. And he makes Thor bleed right at the beginning of the fight (the first two-page shot, blood's coming out of Thor's mouth as he falls back). The only reason he doesn't bleed more is because he's got the power gem. When did Champion with the Gem bleed? Or Drax? Or Thanos when that's all he was using? Or Warlock? Etc. That's a lame way to decide 'he was clearly losing.' Because he wasn't. He was winning. Now, he clearly would have lost because Thor was only going to get stronger. And Thanos, probably knowing that, ended it. That's all.

With the Odin fight, he had taken on PG Thor roughly two hours before that. You can tell this because Thanos points out that in three hours the forceblock won't be able to hold him...and, I believe while they're in Asgard, one of them (Gamora?) notes that they only have an hour left before Thor is freed. Plus, he needed to expend energy going through Asgard's armies. And while most wouldn't consider that a big deal...they're all superhuman immortals with thousands of years of combat experience. It wasn't a peak Thanos that fought Odin. And he's been upgraded since.

It's pretty obvious (to me, and most people) that Odin didn't unleash his full power against Thanos. Why? Because Odin would need the Odinsleep afterward if he had, and he didn't. But, to say he was just toying with Thanos or something along those lines is equally ridiculous.

And the latest one, is the supposed evidence of the IW fight? I would hope that someone noticed that Quasar erected his barrier around the IW, and that all of the heroes assembled attempted to bust it up - including Thor throwing Mjolnir. Yet, nothing even scratched it. Then, Thanos shatters it easily with an energy blast. After that, he proceeded to take on Hercules, Thor, Hulk and Thing simultaneously. He also gets hit by Nova to zero effect. And wasn't visibly affected by anything any of the heroes did, nor did he have so much as a scratch on him throughout. The only 'low' feat he had in that battle was his physical punch matching the power of Thor swinging Mjolnir...

So anywho, Thanos in #1 and Thor in #2.

And Odin vs. recent Thanos would be a good matchup. Definitely going to Odin. Definitely not a walk-over.

Hold on. I never said Thanos was losing the fight against Thor w/PG. He definitely held his own in the time they fought.

As for Thanos not being at full strength, Thanos is an Eternal. They recover at a highly accelerated rate, and I don't recall ever seeing an Eternal get worn out from fighting unless they were being hurt. So in 2 hours, Thanos had plenty of time to recover completely from his fight with Thor.

As for the IW fight, I already explained why I brought that up. I'm not downplaying Thanos taking no damage. He's always had fantastic durability. In fact, it's what allowed him to last against Odin like he did. My purpose for bringing it up is if he were around Odin's power level, Hulk, Thor, Hercules, and all the rest would have fallen very easily.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanks! Yours, too.

Thanks. 😄

Originally posted by Enyalus
For the most part, I agree with Kris/CD/OneDumb. But in the course of your arguments, you seem to be downplaying, lowballing, or outright making things up about Thanos' capabilities.

The PG Thor fight is one example. Thanos landed more shots and put him on his ass than vice versa. Yet, Thanos was 'clearly losing' because it was he who was bleeding? Big deal. He had one bloody nostril. And he makes Thor bleed right at the beginning of the fight (the first two-page shot, blood's coming out of Thor's mouth as he falls back). The only reason he doesn't bleed more is because he's got the power gem. When did Champion with the Gem bleed? Or Drax? Or Thanos when that's all he was using? Or Warlock? Etc. That's a lame way to decide 'he was clearly losing.' Because he wasn't. He was winning. Now, he clearly would have lost because Thor was only going to get stronger. And Thanos, probably knowing that, ended it. That's all.

With the Odin fight, he had taken on PG Thor roughly two hours before that. You can tell this because Thanos points out that in three hours the forceblock won't be able to hold him...and, I believe while they're in Asgard, one of them (Gamora?) notes that they only have an hour left before Thor is freed. Plus, he needed to expend energy going through Asgard's armies. And while most wouldn't consider that a big deal...they're all superhuman immortals with thousands of years of combat experience. It wasn't a peak Thanos that fought Odin. And he's been upgraded since.

It's pretty obvious (to me, and most people) that Odin didn't unleash his full power against Thanos. Why? Because Odin would need the Odinsleep afterward if he had, and he didn't. But, to say he was just toying with Thanos or something along those lines is equally ridiculous.

And the latest one, is the supposed evidence of the IW fight? I would hope that someone noticed that Quasar erected his barrier around the IW, and that all of the heroes assembled attempted to bust it up - including Thor throwing Mjolnir. Yet, nothing even scratched it. Then, Thanos shatters it easily with an energy blast. After that, he proceeded to take on Hercules, Thor, Hulk and Thing simultaneously. He also gets hit by Nova to zero effect. And wasn't visibly affected by anything any of the heroes did, nor did he have so much as a scratch on him throughout. The only 'low' feat he had in that battle was his physical punch matching the power of Thor swinging Mjolnir...

So anywho, Thanos in #1 and Thor in #2.

And Odin vs. recent Thanos would be a good matchup. Definitely going to Odin. Definitely not a walk-over.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Where did HE stalemate Galactus? The only fight I remember is HE running after one or two attacks.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I didn't put Tyrant on such a high pedestal. I think he's below Odin. However, Tyrant did take out Surfer and co himself, because his army failed big time. He took all of their attacks like nothing and knocked them around like they were children. That's pretty impressive.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos was not able to budge Odin at all, even with Surfer's help. Odin was able to one-shot SS, something Thanos has never been able to do in their numerous confrontations. That right there shows you the difference in their power levels.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
If you want to go by low showings, post-upgrade Thanos was also beaten down by Eric Masterson Thor in IG. The only thing that saved him was the PG. Odin doesn't have anything that low.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not saying he should have gone down or even that he was harmed. My point is he himself wasn't able to put down Hulk and Thor during that fight. If he were near Odin in power level, that wouldn't have been a problem, because Odin has one-shot people on that level with ease before.