Thor vs Thanos

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wow….

I’ll address the fact that Sentry, and Odin are completely different in terms of powers, the way they fight, later as it seem you know that.

First of all, have you been reading my posts?

There are many reasons why Odin is obviously holding back. The first and foremost being is that he never states going out. The best you can pull out of that fight for Thanos, is that he is more powerful than Odin expected. Thanos got up a few times and that seemed to surprise Odin.

It’s pretty obvious, plus on the scale Odin is fighting on. It’s obviously different.

Seriously, did you see how Odin was fighting?

A few simple blasts from Gungnir, and in the end of it all, he was standing completely unharmed in any way. Thanos didn’t even manage, to damage his “beard”.

Collateral damage isn’t what I’m basing my opinion on. Comparing the Sentry’s collateral damage in fights means nothing.

It’s the scale. Odin was obviously unleashing attacks of different magnitude there unlike his fights with other beings of greater power. Odin was also not exhausted, etc. as he was with other beings.

Also, The Sentry as an example of all people?

Lol, apparently, they were both spitting out energy, to destroy planets, but Captain America was running around in that same area alive. Seriously dude….

Anyone who thinks, Thanos > Odin, must seriously be high on stupid pills….

Not only are the completely different, in the way they fight and in ways they utilize power.

No according to me, he fought differently. First of all, Sentry because of his mental state, goes hand in hand with inconsistency. In that issue, he apparently stalemated Galactus….

Seriously, resorting to Sentry….

Second of all, in that fight he was from what I understand, he was using, energy based attacks in the first scan, while in his fight he was unleashing his physical powers, going fist to fist, going all out in those terms, while also unleashing his energy. The energy he was unleashing was obviously more contained, and focused on the Hulk, and Sentry’s power really varies from story to story….

Okay, lets.

God…

I don’t even know why I bother.

The collateral damage is not as big, but the magnitude in the powers unleashed was obvious.

First of all Odin, was going all physical and using the Odin Sword….The way a being fights, seriously varies. Second of all, the magnitude of power used in that fight is obvious.

Did you actually read the entire fight, and read the dialogue and not only looked at the pretty picture?

Honestly, at this point I give up.

Using common sense, you would come to the conclusion:

Odin > Thanos

You're just not using you're common sense, and I'm done wasting my time. I'm done here...

If you read the dialogue it's plain as day. Odin thinks he is one of the best foes he has encountered in eons. You do understand right? Odin wouldn't hold back when asgard is being invaded and his son's safety is in jeopardy. That is showing ignorance to Odin and his character.

Yes, I can tell Odin was going all out against the Celestials, buyt if I compare it to other writers it doesn't look so good by your logic. No galaxy was destroyed and the multiverse wasn't affected. I mean come on. Regardless, of the power being dished out it doesn't compare by your own logic.

Yeah, I proved my point while you didn't even respond to certain scans, ignored dialogue, and cherry picked showings while ignoring others to prove your point.

The Sentry was clearly using more power while holding back then when going all out. Writer's vary when it comes to power levels, feats of power, collateral damage, etc. The point is this kind of stuff varies among writers. Trying to call the Sentry inconsistent is laughable. You just want to ignore what destroys your argument. So, your logic is flawed and I just proved it.

No need to insult that is usually the sign of getting beaten and badly in a debate. Thanos has been upgraded since their last battle and in that first battle Odin failed to put him down. That is entirely reasonable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin and Thanos both really didn't phase each other until he got out gungir. Then he still didn't defeat Thanos. Sure, Odin was winning, but he still [B]never put Thanos down.

No, I said writer to writer has different visions of Odin. The one writer who compared the two had them as peers. Odin's words also support me. No surprise really.

Thanos since his upgrade is greater than Odin imo. [/B]

Odin did not tap into the odinforce when he fought thanos. Odin was holding back.

Originally posted by beast1234
Odin did not tap into the odinforce when he fought thanos. Odin was holding back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what?

Originally posted by Badabing
Thanos still being among the living.....😂

Originally posted by beast1234
Odin did not tap into the odinforce when he fought thanos. Odin was holding back.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I wouldn't say holding back, but he just didn't go all out

Originally posted by Badabing
dur

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin wanted to kill him he just didn't. 😉

😛

Originally posted by xJLxKing
yeah I know I just heard it. I just rephrased it. 😛

Thanos wasnt going all out against Odin.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos wasnt going all out against Odin.

But it was referred to as a defeat nonetheless, and Thanos' clone was smart enough not to confront Odin the next time.

so, still wasnt going all, and seeing as Thanos showed no fear in confronting Tyrant or Galactus the clone actions are his own,only his memories are the same.

Originally posted by Nihilist
so, still wasnt going all, and seeing as Thanos showed no fear in confronting Tyrant or Galactus the clone actions are his own,only his memories are the same.

Thanos didn't show any fear against Odin, this doesn't mean he thinks he can beat them. The clone behaves exactly as Thanos would, it is a CLONE.

And in the end Odin proved to have sufficient power to be the end of that clone, where as Tyrant was never able to reclaim what Thanos stole. Galactus wasn't even a fight, Thanos attacked and then got wrecked.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The clone behaves exactly as Thanos would, it is a CLONE.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin has never been stated to be going all out. It's funny you ask for criteria he has never done prior and act like that proves your case. 😂

It is evident when Odin uses his power to it's near limits. He gets exhausted, or requires the Odin Sleep etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you read the dialogue it's plain as day. Odin thinks he is one of the best foes he has encountered in eons. You do understand right? Odin wouldn't hold back when asgard is being invaded and his son's safety is in jeopardy. That is showing ignorance to Odin and his character.

Seeing what beings Odin has fought in the last few Eon's, fighting Thanos isn't that impressive at all. He was just surprised that Thanos was still standing.

Odin wouldn't hold back?

Yet as clear by their fight he did. Odin didn't even break so much as a sweat at the end from what I could tell, and the fact that Thanos is still among the living proves so.

I have seen Odin holding back when Asgard is in jeopardy or was being invaded.

Asgard has been invaded in the past, by foes and it seemed that they could match Odin's power, when in truth Odin simply held back his power, and had let events play out as they did in the past.

He did something very akin to this in "Journey into Mystery # 123". I'm not the one showing ignorance, here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I can tell Odin was going all out against the Celestials, buyt if I compare it to other writers it doesn't look so good by your logic. No galaxy was destroyed and the multiverse wasn't affected. I mean come on. Regardless, of the power being dished out it doesn't compare by your own logic.

Do you even read my post?

Odin wasn't using his energy etc. He was going physical in a sense, using the Odin Sword to cut of limbs etc.

He wasn't unleashing all of his power, in the form of potent blasts etc. He used his power to empower himself in the Destroyer armor.

I think Odin should have done much better against the Celestials.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, I proved my point while you didn't even respond to certain scans, ignored dialogue, and cherry picked showings while ignoring others to prove your point.

Ignored scans?

Ignored what scans?

You posted about two scans regarding the Sentry, which weren't of any significance, yet I still addressed them.

Ignored dialogue?

What dialogue pray tell?

I'm not cherry picking anything. It's called common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Sentry was clearly using more power while holding back then when going all out. Writer's vary when it comes to power levels, feats of power, collateral damage, etc. The point is this kind of stuff varies among writers. Trying to call the Sentry inconsistent is laughable. You just want to ignore what destroys your argument. So, your logic is flawed and I just proved it.

Sentry does incredibly vary in terms of power because of his mental stability. At one point he apparently has the power of a million exploding Suns, or wait, didn't they change that to a thousand exploding Suns, then change it back again. He apparently is the strongest Superhero in the world, yet he can't stop a S.H.I.E.L.D Hellicarrier.

Yea, calling Sentry inconsistent because of his stability really is laughable.

I mean he was apparently spitting out power to shred entire planets, yet Captain America, who was right below them, somehow was still alive...

🙄

Of course writers vary in terms of power levels etc. I've already addressed this with you before.

I clearly told you, a few posts back, multiple times, that Odin fluctuates depending on the writer, and that based on these boards rules, we use him at best, meaning he caves Thanos' head in.

You apparently ignored that and went on to say we cannot ignore encounters, yet as evident to everyone else besides yourself Odin iss written to hold back, needing the Odin Sleep etc. or simply toned down to fit a story line.

So like I've said multiple times, Odin stomps Thanos' head in based on these boards rules as we use him at his best.

His overall showings, suggest that he beats the ugly out of Thanos.

Sentry is just plain inconsistent. I love how he says that he has the power of a million exploding Suns in one panel, and that he is being pushed to his limits, and goes on to get knocked out in a single punch.

Sentry is a terrible example, and isn't even applicable here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No need to insult that is usually the sign of getting beaten and badly in a debate. Thanos has been upgraded since their last battle and in that first battle Odin failed to put him down. That is entirely reasonable.

Insulting you?

It's just the truth in my opinion. You aren't using common sense.

Some posters may resort to calling names when they have lost the debate. I haven't lost anything and don't recall calling you names etc.

Odin not putting him down, does not mean he can't put him down.

Again, based on these boards rules, and Odin's showings, he "WTFSTOMPS" Thanos.

Originally posted by Enyalus
😬 No, it doesn't. That was explained in Infinity Abyss. His clones caused more problems than they solved, because they were all stuck in his 'nihilist phase' personality wise, whereas Thanos had moved on from that point in his life.

Only, that was a complete clone of Thanos. It had all his memories and abilities, and at the time it was written Jurgens INTENDED for it to be Thanos.

The Infinity Abyss clones were very different. Nor does their mindset have -anything- to do with Thanos chosing not to confront Odin. Thanos got ****ing trashed, end of discussion.

Odin would destroy Thanos, how long will it take for you people to realize that.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Only, that was a complete clone of Thanos. It had all his memories and abilities, and at the time it was written Jurgens INTENDED for it to be Thanos.

And Jurgens dropped the ball in that arc. Thanos was written and drawn very poorly (but then again, so was everything Romita does).

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The Infinity Abyss clones were very different. Nor does their mindset have -anything- to do with Thanos chosing not to confront Odin. Thanos got ****ing trashed, end of discussion.

lol, if their mindset has nothing to do with it...then, what would?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Odin would destroy Thanos, how long will it take for you people to realize that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is evident when Odin uses his power to it's near limits. He gets exhausted, or requires the Odin Sleep etc.

Seeing what beings Odin has fought in the last few Eon's, fighting Thanos isn't that impressive at all. He was just surprised that Thanos was still standing.

Odin wouldn't hold back?

Yet as clear by their fight he did. Odin didn't even break so much as a sweat at the end from what I could tell, and the fact that Thanos is still among the living proves so.

I have seen Odin holding back when Asgard is in jeopardy or was being invaded.

Asgard has been invaded in the past, by foes and it seemed that they could match Odin's power, when in truth Odin simply held back his power, and had let events play out as they did in the past.

He did something very akin to this in "Journey into Mystery # 123". I'm not the one showing ignorance, here.

Do you even read my post?

Odin wasn't using his energy etc. He was going physical in a sense, using the Odin Sword to cut of limbs etc.

He wasn't unleashing all of his power, in the form of potent blasts etc. He used his power to empower himself in the Destroyer armor.

I think Odin should have done much better against the Celestials.

Ignored scans?

Ignored what scans?

You posted about two scans regarding the Sentry, which weren't of any significance, yet I still addressed them.

Ignored dialogue?

What dialogue pray tell?

I'm not cherry picking anything. It's called common sense.

Sentry does incredibly vary in terms of power because of his mental stability. At one point he apparently has the power of a million exploding Suns, or wait, didn't they change that to a thousand exploding Suns, then change it back again. He apparently is the strongest Superhero in the world, yet he can't stop a S.H.I.E.L.D Hellicarrier.

Yea, calling Sentry inconsistent because of his stability really is laughable.

I mean he was apparently spitting out power to shred entire planets, yet Captain America, who was right below them, somehow was still alive...

🙄

Of course writers vary in terms of power levels etc. I've already addressed this with you before.

I clearly told you, a few posts back, multiple times, that Odin fluctuates depending on the writer, and that based on these boards rules, we use him at best, meaning he caves Thanos' head in.

You apparently ignored that and went on to say we cannot ignore encounters, yet as evident to everyone else besides yourself Odin iss written to hold back, needing the Odin Sleep etc. or simply toned down to fit a story line.

So like I've said multiple times, Odin stomps Thanos' head in based on these boards rules as we use him at his best.

His overall showings, suggest that he beats the ugly out of Thanos.

Sentry is just plain inconsistent. I love how he says that he has the power of a million exploding Suns in one panel, and that he is being pushed to his limits, and goes on to get knocked out in a single punch.

Sentry is a terrible example, and isn't even applicable here.

Insulting you?

It's just the truth in my opinion. You aren't using common sense.

Some posters may resort to calling names when they have lost the debate. I haven't lost anything and don't recall calling you names etc.

Odin not putting him down, does not mean he can't put him down.

Again, based on these boards rules, and Odin's showings, he "WTFSTOMPS" Thanos.

Anybody who disputes this is stupid. I agree, thanos is powerful, powerful as hell but like I said in my previous post odin was simply holding back against him. If he was going out he would have destroyed what he was protecting and its just that simple.

If odin really wanted to get rid of thanos, he could have done it seconds when the fight started.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think Thanos/Odin is really comparable to Apocalypse/Tyrant. Thanos doesn't have a long list of feats, but he lack's the low end feats that plague Apocalypse. There's a difference between suffering from a lack of showings and suffering from low showings. Low showings have the potential of putting a set a limit on a characters abilities and that's the kind of thing we need to make the Odin fight fall under the PIS heading. Until he fought Odin all we knew about him was that he demolished guys like Thor and Surfer with ease. I mean the limits of his upgrade by Death were NEVER fully established so we can't really say that Thanos should have went down to less than he endured.

We didn't see the original Magus do much other than fight Thanos, but we don't say that the fight was PIS because he lacked other feats. We know how bad ass he was BECAUSE of his fight with Thanos just as we know the Runner's bad ass because of his fight with Surfer. Hell, what feats does Bor have outside hs fight with Thor w/Odinforce?

Even if we were to only take into account Apocalypse's high feats, he still wouldn't be a match for Tyrant.

Both Thanos and Odin have been around for a long time and have a plethora of feats to back them up. My point is if you were to take all of Thanos' high feats (without IG, CC, etc) and compare them to Odin's high feats, it's clear that Odin is on a different level. Yet, when they met each other, the writer tried to make it seem like they were closer in level than their long history of feats deems them to be.

Besides, if Thanos were near Odin in power level, then his and the IW's fight against the heroes would have been absolutely no contest.

Nice sig "Celestial Demon".