I'm not understanding a few things....
1. First, I know Odin goes into Odin sleep when he's exhausted himself and that has been portrayed in comics before. However, you guys are saying that it's also not possible that the writer just didn't include that in the comic as other writers have? Just because that has been shown to be the case before doesn't make it so everytime. Odin has been shown to rock the multiverse with blasts yet just because he didn't doesn't mean he wasn't going all out or not. Writers portray things like collateral damage differently so trying to say well this damage was done is this fight and thus he was using more power isn't factual.
You also want proof of Odin saying he was going all out or exerting himself and since it wasn't said then thus he wasn't. Well then show me proof of a past fight of Odin with him saying such things and then it will hold some water. Although again it could be that this was the writers intent he didn't just make odin say such things correct? Of course that is possible and very possible actually considering all that we have to go by. Asgard being invaded, his son being captured and held, him saying he hasn't had a foe like this is eons and saluting thanos, him bringing out gungir etc etc. ALl these point to the more probable line of thinking is that he was trying. Going all out... I wouldn't say that but certainly out for the kill and he couldn't get the job done. I would love to debate whether he was trying or not because clearly the facts are on the side that he was not that he was oooo whatever about it.
Lastly, Eny.. haven't I heard you say that you think a matchup between Odin and Thanos now could be a draw? I've seen you say that numerous times. However, in this thread you say.. there is no way I see thanos winning... Please explain?
Originally posted by Nihilist
I can deal with that type of thing,calling peoples mothers whores and i raped her shit is pathetic.
However, being arrogant and saying stupid stuff won't get you banned. It just destroys the forum.
Originally posted by NihilistYes, this stems from herochat and the fact that he won't ever answer anyone's questions.
True, but you havent dealt with him on HC when he's tyring to be a hard ass.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI am very reasonable. I only go by what the comics give me.
No, of course not, but he is very arrogant, and ignorant. He is impossible to debate with especially when it comes to Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no reason to assume he held back. Imo he went all out. I await your answer now.
Finally, you admit that you're claiming he went all out.
Now, for what I consider proof. I consider evidence from the comics that doesn't require speculation to be proof.
So, can you prove that Odin was going all out in the Thanos fight?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, at that time in the fight. They were both relatively unharmed until Odin brought gungir into play.Yes, he did affect him. Thanos was only smoking though and still looked to be fine considering the fact he fully recovered on his own.
Gungir helped Odin out and that is the bottom line. He wouldn't pull something out that didn't help him.
I will tell you this for the last time.
Gungnir, just channels the power of Odin. It does not amp it.
Think of it this way. It's how Thor uses Mjolnir for his weather control. He can control the weather without it obviously, but he uses it for better control. Odin is not nearly as dependent etc. but he uses Gungnir to channel his power.
He is just as powerful without it, as he is with it.
I applaud Thanos for being able to get back up after, looking like a smoking carcass, but Thanos was not fine. He was struggling to get back up as I recall.
Originally posted by EnyalusThe questions still stands, what happens between the comics? Is the time gap quantified? Valkryie was knocked unconscious by the time Thanos placed Thor in the forceblock at the end of Silver Surfer #88. Yet, the first scan of the next comic shows her to be conscious and defiant. Some time had passed obviously. How much?
I didn't post every scan after he was force-blocked. But, the first scans I did post from WC 8 (Thanos telling them they have 3 hours before he breaks out) occur 3-4 pages into it. The scans I did post tell the gist of it, though. Strange and co. teleport in directly after Thanos force-blocks Thor. SS 88 ends. WC 8 starts with them looking at the machines and attempting to analyze his mental state (after Thanos bitches to Warlock about how he doesn't appreciate being dragged into his little schemes.) Then the scans I post happen.I didn't leave anything important out or splice the scans to get them to say what I want them too lol.
Quanchi112: You're asking people to prove a negative to distract the inevitable conclusion that you and everybody else has to make. Odin won the fight. Thanos lost. That is what is clearly and plainly depicted in their fight. Whether they were both going all out, or both using a modest portion of their might or fooling around with each other doesn't matter. Odin won. Thanos lost.
Furthermore, suggesting that Odin was going all out is nonsense. He is gradually upping the levels of his attacks throughout the fight. Pimpslap, handblasts, meteor swarm, single Gungnir blast, and stream of Gungnir blasts. If you've seen Odin's fights in the past, the use of Gungnir does not represent the peak of his attacks. Not even close. In almost every fight Odin's been in whereupon he clearly uses his full might, he grows giant-size and/or exclaims he is using his full might. That wasn't present in his fight with Thanos. Therefore, despite the fact that you improperly asked people to prove a negative, it is clear Odin was not going all-out. Not even close.
Was Thanos going all out? Who cares. From a comparative viewpoint, it really doesn't matter. Because Odin clearly was not. And if, as you want everyone to do, assume outright that Thanos too, was using only a modest portion of his might, then their fight was a situation where all things were considered equal. And while Thanos' durability was impressive, he only managed to weather Odin's attacks and was supremely ineffectual in his assaults. So that when you theorize scenarios whereupon they both increase their efforts respectively and proportionally, it's still the same result. And Odin's peak has far outstripped Thanos' peak in all measures and all respects. That's the bottom-line.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI said it's my opinion that he did go all out.
Finally, you admit that you're claiming he went all out.Now, for what I consider proof. I consider evidence from the comics that doesn't require speculation to be proof.
So, can you prove that Odin was going all out in the Thanos fight?
I want an example of Odin that proves he was going all out without a statement.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGungir channeled enough power to visibly affect Thanos. Prior to using it Thanos was fine.
I will tell you this for the last time.Gungnir, just channels the power of Odin. It does not amp it.
Think of it this way. It's how Thor uses Mjolnir for his weather control. He can control the weather without it obviously, but he uses it for better control. Odin is not nearly as dependent etc. but he uses Gungnir to channel his power.
He is just as powerful without it, as he is with it.
I applaud Thanos for being able to get back up after, looking like a smoking carcass, but Thanos was not fine. He was struggling to get back up as I recall.
Thanos was hurt, but was nowhere near death. How the fight went on after that is anyone's guess.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Odin did not win. He was winning, but there was no victor.
The questions still stands, what happens between the comics? Is the time gap quantified? Valkryie was knocked unconscious by the time Thanos placed Thor in the forceblock at the end of Silver Surfer #88. Yet, the first scan of the next comic shows her to be conscious and defiant. Some time had passed obviously. How much?Quanchi112: You're asking people to prove a negative to distract the inevitable conclusion that you and everybody else has to make. Odin won the fight. Thanos lost. That is what is clearly and plainly depicted in their fight. Whether they were both going all out, or both using a modest portion of their might or fooling around with each other doesn't matter. Odin won. Thanos lost.
Furthermore, suggesting that Odin was going all out is nonsense. He is gradually upping the levels of his attacks throughout the fight. Pimpslap, handblasts, meteor swarm, single Gungnir blast, and stream of Gungnir blasts. If you've seen Odin's fights in the past, the use of Gungnir does not represent the peak of his attacks. Not even close. In almost every fight Odin's been in whereupon he clearly uses his full might, he grows giant-size and/or exclaims he is using his full might. That wasn't present in his fight with Thanos. Therefore, despite the fact that you improperly asked people to prove a negative, it is clear Odin was not going all-out. Not even close.
Was Thanos going all out? Who cares. From a comparative viewpoint, it really doesn't matter. Because Odin clearly was not. And if, as you want everyone to do, assume outright that Thanos too, was using only a modest portion of his might, then their fight was a situation where all things were considered equal. And while Thanos' durability was impressive, he only managed to weather Odin's attacks and was supremely ineffectual in his assaults. So that when you theorize scenarios whereupon they both increase their efforts respectively and proportionally, it's still the same result. And Odin's peak has far outstripped Thanos' peak in all measures and all respects. That's the bottom-line.
I don't care how Odin has fared against other opponents when we have an altercation between these two. Thanos was a peer of Odin and the fact that Thanos wasn't defeated only further proves my case.