Originally posted by quanchi112
Unknown variable.
Correct, so saying that the orb gave Thanos enough of a power boost so that he could hurt Tyrant is ridiculous.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Thanos didn't try punching Tyrant either. He used the orb which wasn't present in the Odin fight.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' clothes were completely destroyed in less time. Thanos didn't laugh off any blows from tyrant like he did against Odin either.
The clothes argument again, huh. 😆
Thanos didn't laugh off any blows from Odin, either. He stood up to Odin's first blast without any effect, and that's it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because Thanos didn't have the orb against Odin. Tyrant also picked Thanos up and manhandled him. Thanos was running through blasts fighting for control of gungir. Tyrant is more powerful than Odin. It's plain as day.
Manhandling someone physically doesn't make you more powerful than them overall. Hulk could manhandle Thanos physically, but he loses to him 10/10.
Thanos fighting through Gungnir is impressive. However, he still lost his bid for control of it and was brought to his knees while Odin stood there without a mark.
Tyrant is more powerful in your opinion only.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Thanos agreed with tyrant. If Tyrant had the chance he would probably kill Thanos. Thanos withstood him until that point and considered that a victory in and of itself.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-34-1.jpg
Thanos agreed with Tyrant, but that's not the reason he left the fight. He left because he did was he set out to do and felt he won, just like he said.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos didn't laugh off any blows from Odin, either. He stood up to Odin's first blast without any effect, and that's it.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Manhandling someone physically doesn't make you more powerful than them overall. Hulk could manhandle Thanos physically, but he loses to him 10/10.
No. Not unless Loeb was writing the Hulk and Thanos had stage four cancer.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, we know they are well above Odin's power level yet we didn't see anywhere near the blasting power from Odin or the sheer devastation when he has faced weaker opponents. This is my point. Just because one writer has a galaxy being destroyed and just because he doesn't when he faced the Celestials that in itself doesn't mean he held back. Same logic with Thanos. Different writer.
No, because Thanos hasn't shown anywhere near the feats Odin has before. So when they face each other as near equals, it reeks of PIS. It would be similar to something like Apocalypse facing Tyrant and holding his own.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the very comic warlock says Thanos' upper limit has never been tested. It's right in the friggin comic when someone else states that maybe Thanos isn't near Odin's power level. It was in one of the scans you posted.
I guess Warlock must have forgotten when Thanos just fought Thor and couldn't put him down without using a weapon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Odin saluted Thanos because he was a great opponent. One he didn't even beat so this superiority crap is just that, crap.
One person was standing up without a mark on him. The other was on alll fours with his body smoking. Yeah, no superiority there.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying that it's a testament of Thanos and his power level. He is clearly on Odin's level and the fight proved it.
How? By Thanos taking an asswhooping and not able to hurt Odin at all?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Meh. He thought he was defeated/ killed.I didn't lie.
Um, ya, you did lie, and I proved it plain as day. You just refuse to see it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin wasn't really damaging Thanos. The blasts were having minimal effect.
Funny, because Thanos looks in better condition at the end of the Tyrant fight than the Odin one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus wanted Morg. Tyrant then said you can have them all except the one you want. He took what Galactus wanted and he did nothing about it. That's called punking someone, son.
Again, neither one of them wanted to fight, which is why Tyrant agreed to give up anyone in the first place.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Thanos avoids death. He avoided it against Galactus in his own series. He told Galactus to stay his hand. One more blast would have killed him. Not so against Odin though I am afraid. Common sense says Thanos won't just let himself be killed. LOL.
And what did he tell Galactus after that? He warned him of Hunger coming to destroy the universe. That scenario was about far more than Thanos' own personal safety. Fail.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was still there aiding them. It wasn't a personal goal or anything.
Correct, and because he committed to helping them, leaving the fight would have gone against his word.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Pay attention. The orb was the variable not present for the Odin fight. We don't know either way but he still used something against Tyrant that he didn't use against Odin.
Maybe you should pay attention. The orb had no power in it except knowledge, so it didn't amp Thanos' personal power any. He might as well have had a rock in his hand for all it helped him, and that's not enough to have him go from doing absolutely nothing to Odin to actually harming him like he did Tyrant.
Originally posted by EnyalusSo what was walking through the Gungir blast and forcibly grabbing and pushing the spear downward?[/B]
Does that look like he's laughing? No, he is clearly struggling through the blast.
Originally posted by EnyalusWhat. The. ****?
No. Not unless Loeb was writing the Hulk and Thanos had stage four cancer. [/B]
You're missing the point. Hulk has FAR stronger physical showings than Thanos. He could easily lift Thanos and toss him around like Tyrant did. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he is ever going to beat Thanos in a fight.
My point is the fact that Tyrant grabbed and lifted up Thanos and Odin didn't does not mean Tyrant is more powerful overall than Odin.
Originally posted by celestialdemonDoes that look like he's laughing? No, he is clearly struggling through the blast.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're missing the point. Hulk has FAR stronger physical showings than Thanos. He could easily lift Thanos and toss him around like Tyrant did. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he is ever going to beat Thanos in a fight.
We know Hulk wouldn't toss Thanos around, 'cause Thanos has physically overpowered Hulk in the past. With laughable ease. As well as dispatching Thor and SS...who are both a physical match for Hulk.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
My point is the fact that Tyrant grabbed and lifted up Thanos and Odin didn't does not mean Tyrant is more powerful overall than Odin.
Originally posted by EnyalusI was addressing your 'stood up to' point. IMO it takes more to walk through a focused (through Gungir) Odinforce blast than it does to stand up to a regular Odin blast. So, it happens more than once.[/B]
True, but if definitely wasn't nearly as easy as quanchi makes it sound.
Originally posted by EnyalusSure, Hulk has more physical feats than Thanos. He's got more strength feats than Tyrant, too. Can he toss Tyrant around? Hell, Hulk has more and better strength feats than Tiamut. He tossing him around?
We know Hulk wouldn't toss Thanos around, 'cause Thanos has physically overpowered Hulk in the past. With laughable ease. As well as dispatching Thor and SS...who are both a physical match for Hulk.[/B]
If Tyrant let Hulk grab him, yes, Hulk could toss him around. I'm not talking about whether it would actually happen. I'm saying that the ability to physically throw someone does not make you more powerful than them.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
If Tyrant let Hulk grab him, yes, Hulk could toss him around. I'm not talking about whether it would actually happen. I'm saying that the ability to physically throw someone does not make you more powerful than them.
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Yeah...I can see Black Canary doing that to Superman, actually.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah, when you said 'toss around' the first time, I thought you were using it as a metaphor for physically kicking someone's ass. Not in the literal sense of picking them up and tossing them a bit.😂
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Ah, misunderstanding then. Hulk definitely stands no chance against Thanos in a fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, here goes. I want you to take a look at some scans for me.Here is the Sentry battling Genis. It says in the scan that their was enough power being released to shred entire worlds.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewThunderbolts014page14-1.jpg
[B]Here is a little bit later where Sentry clearly stated he was even holding back.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewThunderbolts014page18-1.jpg
Now here is the Sentry clearly using more power than he ever has been against the WW Hulk.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwh016-1.jpg
Wow, even though the energy is clearly all over the place the city remains intact. Hmmmm. One writer had the Sentry while holding back using enough energy to shred an entire world while another writer had him go all out and yet the city remained. Do we ignore the writer's intent despite the lack of collateral damage. [/B]
Wow….
I’ll address the fact that Sentry, and Odin are completely different in terms of powers, the way they fight, later as it seem you know that.
First of all, have you been reading my posts?
There are many reasons why Odin is obviously holding back. The first and foremost being is that he never states going out. The best you can pull out of that fight for Thanos, is that he is more powerful than Odin expected. Thanos got up a few times and that seemed to surprise Odin.
It’s pretty obvious, plus on the scale Odin is fighting on. It’s obviously different.
Seriously, did you see how Odin was fighting?
A few simple blasts from Gungnir, and in the end of it all, he was standing completely unharmed in any way. Thanos didn’t even manage, to damage his “beard”.
Collateral damage isn’t what I’m basing my opinion on. Comparing the Sentry’s collateral damage in fights means nothing.
It’s the scale. Odin was obviously unleashing attacks of different magnitude there unlike his fights with other beings of greater power. Odin was also not exhausted, etc. as he was with other beings.
Also, The Sentry as an example of all people?
Lol, apparently, they were both spitting out energy, to destroy planets, but Captain America was running around in that same area alive. Seriously dude….
Anyone who thinks, Thanos > Odin, must seriously be high on stupid pills….
Not only are the completely different, in the way they fight and in ways they utilize power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
According to you this would mean he exerted less power.
No according to me, he fought differently. First of all, Sentry because of his mental state, goes hand in hand with inconsistency. In that issue, he apparently stalemated Galactus….
Seriously, resorting to Sentry….
Second of all, in that fight he was from what I understand, he was using, energy based attacks in the first scan, while in his fight he was unleashing his physical powers, going fist to fist, going all out in those terms, while also unleashing his energy. The energy he was unleashing was obviously more contained, and focused on the Hulk, and Sentry’s power really varies from story to story….
Originally posted by quanchi112
Now, let's take a look at Odin.
Okay, lets.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here is Odin in the destroyer armor up against his greatest threat the Celestials.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_300-27.jpg
Now let's take a look at his fight against Seth.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Journey_Into_Mystery_513_05.jpg
Hmmmmm. He was affecting the entire multiverse against Seth while he wasn't even at full power and his memory was still hazy. Against the Celestials he got his ass handed to him and a galaxy wasn't even destroyed.
Two different writers with two different situations. Do we suggest that Odin used more power against Seth than against the Celestials. Sure, if you want to say f--- you to common sense and the writer's intent.
We know it's clear that the Celestials are much more powerful than Odin and despite the lack of destruction that Odin was going all out.
Odin was going all out against Thanos despite the lack of destruction as well. Everything I said was spot on.
God…
I don’t even know why I bother.
The collateral damage is not as big, but the magnitude in the powers unleashed was obvious.
First of all Odin, was going all physical and using the Odin Sword….The way a being fights, seriously varies. Second of all, the magnitude of power used in that fight is obvious.
Did you actually read the entire fight, and read the dialogue and not only looked at the pretty picture?
Honestly, at this point I give up.
Using common sense, you would come to the conclusion:
Odin > Thanos
You're just not using you're common sense, and I'm done wasting my time. I'm done here...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No according to me, he fought differently. First of all, Sentry because of his mental state, goes hand in hand with inconsistency. In that issue, he apparently stalemated Galactus….
Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, because Thanos hasn't shown anywhere near the feats Odin has before. So when they face each other as near equals, it reeks of PIS. It would be similar to something like Apocalypse facing Tyrant and holding his own.
We didn't see the original Magus do much other than fight Thanos, but we don't say that the fight was PIS because he lacked other feats. We know how bad ass he was BECAUSE of his fight with Thanos just as we know the Runner's bad ass because of his fight with Surfer. Hell, what feats does Bor have outside hs fight with Thor w/Odinforce?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Nah, the Genis thing is from a New Thunderbolts issue in 2006 (I think.) The Galactus stalemate thing was from a Spiderman/Sentry tie-in to Sentry's first solo series in 2000. *shrug*
Oh, my bad lol.
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I got that statement confused from what he said in World War Hulk #1".
Spider-Man said, that Sentry is the most powerful being in the entire Galaxy or something along those lines if I recall.
I can't keep track of all the Sentry hype lol.
Also, after what he said next, I think Spider-Man still believes that Sentry stalemated him. Didn't he say, that unless Galactus is back, Sentry should be here etc. Maybe he was just being annoying, who knows.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah. I don't remember specific statements from the WWH arc. I don't have it. I read it, but...only once.Not worth re-reading. And whoever the artist was for that final issue and Sentry/WWH fight...needs to have their hands broken so they can never work again.
Truer words have never been said.
Originally posted by celestialdemonIt's speculative either way about the orb. It is still an unknown variable.
Correct, so saying that the orb gave Thanos enough of a power boost so that he could hurt Tyrant is ridiculous.ermm
The clothes argument again, huh. 😆
Thanos didn't laugh off any blows from Odin, either. He stood up to Odin's first blast without any effect, and that's it.
Manhandling someone physically doesn't make you more powerful than them overall. Hulk could manhandle Thanos physically, but he loses to him 10/10.
Thanos fighting through Gungnir is impressive. However, he still lost his bid for control of it and was brought to his knees while Odin stood there without a mark.
Tyrant is more powerful in your opinion only.
Thanos agreed with Tyrant, but that's not the reason he left the fight. He left because he did was he set out to do and felt he won, just like he said.
This scan pisses me off. It shows me that I don't have the full fight downloaded onto my Thanos disc. I suspected this as Thanos' line of prove this seems to come out of nowhere like I missed something. 😠 Who the hell downloads a comic, but not the entire one and leaves certain pages out. I own the comic somewhere in a box, but don't get into my real comics anymore. I 'll have to download this storyline and hope this time it contains the whole comic.
The first blast was basically laughed off. It was like getting hit by a gentle breeze.
No, Thanos has manhandled the Hulk physically before with the aid of the Thing. I have never seen Thanos manhandled like this before physically.
What low showings does Tyrant have to suggest Odin is more powerful?
Thanos agreed that Tyrant probably would kill him, but that he withstood him long enough for him. The point is Tyrant was above him and Thanos basically agreed. Thanos never agreed with Odin or backed down.
I'm not sure how much longer the Odin fight is now because there are pages missing from comic now that I see your scan.
Originally posted by celestialdemonNo, Thanos' upper limits were never truly tested. It states it right in the comic. If you want to ignore it and put it into the pis because you don't like it then be my guest. But it's completely ridiculous.
No, because Thanos hasn't shown anywhere near the feats Odin has before. So when they face each other as near equals, it reeks of PIS. It would be similar to something like Apocalypse facing Tyrant and holding his own.I guess Warlock must have forgotten when Thanos just fought Thor and couldn't put him down without using a weapon.
One person was standing up without a mark on him. The other was on alll fours with his body smoking. Yeah, no superiority there.
How? By Thanos taking an asswhooping and not able to hurt Odin at all?
Um, ya, you did lie, and I proved it plain as day. You just refuse to see it.
Funny, because Thanos looks in better condition at the end of the Tyrant fight than the Odin one.
Again, neither one of them wanted to fight, which is why Tyrant agreed to give up anyone in the first place.
And what did he tell Galactus after that? He warned him of Hunger coming to destroy the universe. That scenario was about far more than Thanos' own personal safety. Fail.
Correct, and because he committed to helping them, leaving the fight would have gone against his word.
Maybe you should pay attention. The orb had no power in it except knowledge, so it didn't amp Thanos' personal power any. He might as well have had a rock in his hand for all it helped him, and that's not enough to have him go from doing absolutely nothing to Odin to actually harming him like he did Tyrant.
Thor was increasing his power virtually every second and physically Odin couldn't put him down imo. Warlock didn't forget anything. That's your problem you want to ignore dialogue to sell your point. You do it over and over again.
Odin was winning. Thanos was smoking. Thanos got up and was ready for more. Against Galactus he pleaded with him to stop because he realized Galactus could kill him. Not the case when he met up with Odin.
Odin only injured him due to gungir. Had the fight go on who knows what would have happened. Just because someone is wining that doesn't mean the other person can't snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
No, Odin was astonished that Thanos was still in the fight.
No, his clothes were completely destroyed. Thanos' clothes were only smoking against Odin.
Tyrant got what Galactus wanted. That's the point. Galactus went away without his personal herald. Galactus rarely backs down and has taken Meph on in his own realm for his herald before, but not in this case.
Yes, but he realized there was nothing he could do to Galactus and that he was on the verge of death. This was not the case against Odin. He disputed Odin's superiority the entire time. He admitted his might was nothing next to Galactus'.
Thanos would not die or risk death in saving Thor. That is obvious why he didn't back down or give up. He was nowhere near death and made a complete recovery on his own.
Speculation. It is still an unknown variable. You can't prove it either way.
