Originally posted by Red Nemesis
False. Never admitting defeat means that one continues in spite of certain failure. Never losing means just that- that one has not yet failed. You're attacking Matt the wrong way- he has failed and continues to fail againstFaunusEminence. Pick on that.
You claimed that the modern day earth vs star wars thread was a spite against star wars, and I supported earth, and now you say that I lost?
And it's OK to not admit defeat if you haven't lost. In the modern day earth thread I still give arguments, and sure you think that they're stupid, but that's opinion just like according to you you've never lost (but that's an opinion that can't be 100% proven)
I'm tired, so I might be a little bit off.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You claimed that the modern day earth vs star wars thread was a spite against star wars, and I supported earth, and now you say that I lost?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And it's OK to not admit defeat if you haven't lost. In the modern day earth thread I still give arguments, and sure you think that they're stupid, but that's opinion just like according to you you've never lost (but that's an opinion that can't be 100% proven)
(One's estimation of 'stupidity' may be subjective, but one's estimation of the persuasiveness of a position's arguments is anything but. Nai's arguments were superior. Unless you've got a Shonen Jump esque 'A game' that you've yet to reveal you have provided the inferior argument. You've lost.)
((I never claimed not to have lost. If you're aiming that at someone else feel free to indicate that in some way. You did quote me.))
Originally posted by Red NemesisLet's examine this, shall we? While the lack of indentations on KMC (the 'tab' key is not enabled and extra spaces are formatted away) makes it a bit unclear, common convention would label this a paragraph due to the extra line separating it from the rest of the post. If I am correct (and I often am) then this was meant to be about a single topic. (Note that this is not Grammar Nazism because I've merely acknowledged a deficiency in our mode of communication, not the manner in which he presented his ideas.) If we examine the statement we find a pair of assertions:
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[*]You [Meaning Red Nemesis] claimed that the Earth v Empire thread was spite against the Empire
[*]I [Meaning Hewhoknowsall] supported Earth
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A careful observer will note that there is another clause in the above statement:
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[*]"[A]nd now you say that I lost?"
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The series of words 'and now you say' implies that 'that I lost' is a conclusion based on the previous two assertions. This simply cannot be, as neither of the prior assertions were related in any way to any kind of measure of success in presenting ideas. I submit that we are in the presence of an incredible mind; one capable of such leaps of intuition that it can determine a victor in any given thread based on the initial positions of debaters and their off topic banter. Ladies and gentlemen (mostly gentlemen) I believe that we can declare the SWVF all but obsolete![/B]
Assuming that you're serious:
There's a reason why I had a "?" at the end. It's like when someone says "I work hours overtime without extra pay and now I can't get an extra 1 cent salary raise?". Does this imply that "I can't get an extra 1 cent salary raise' is a conclusion based off of the facts? NO. It's like a mix of sarcasm and "this doesn't make any sense".
"I submit that we are in the presence of an incredible mind; one capable of such leaps of intuition that it can determine a victor in any given thread based on the initial positions of debaters and their off topic banter. Ladies and gentlemen (mostly gentlemen) I believe that we can declare the SWVF all but obsolete!"
According to your logic, the above implies that you've made a conclusion that I know 100% for sure who wins and who loses in a debate.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYou're not very good at displaying sarcasm here. It's difficult anyway, seeing as it's all written words we have to interpret, but still...
Assuming that you're serious:There's a reason why I had a "?" at the end. It's like when someone says "I work hours overtime without extra pay and now I can't get an extra 1 cent salary raise?". Does this imply that "I can't get an extra 1 cent salary raise' is a conclusion based off of the facts? NO. It's like a mix of sarcasm and "this doesn't make any sense".
"I submit that we are in the presence of an incredible mind; one capable of such leaps of intuition that it can determine a victor in any given thread based on the initial positions of debaters and their off topic banter. Ladies and gentlemen (mostly gentlemen) I believe that we can declare the SWVF all but obsolete!"
According to your logic, the above implies that you've made a conclusion that I know 100% for sure who wins and who loses in a debate.
And you seemed pretty damn sure of who would win in the Empire vs. Earth thread. A thread you made. I mean, what's the point of coming up with a scenario and resolving it so fast, and then lambaste anybody who tries to counter it? If you weren't the thread's creator, such zeal on your part would be acceptable (look at Nai). But as you were the creator... sup with that? It's like organizing a competition, entering it yourself, declaring yourself the immediate winner, and yelling at everyone who disagrees. What's the point?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're not very good at displaying sarcasm here. It's difficult anyway, seeing as it's all written words we have to interpret, but still...And you seemed pretty damn sure of who would win in the Empire vs. Earth thread. A thread you made. I mean, what's the point of coming up with a scenario and resolving it so fast, and then lambaste anybody who tries to counter it? If you weren't the thread's creator, such zeal on your part would be acceptable (look at Nai). But as you were the creator... sup with that? It's like organizing a competition, entering it yourself, declaring yourself the immediate winner, and yelling at everyone who disagrees. What's the point?
ME yelling? Do you not realize that half of what you guys said was to insult me? Sometimes you'd quote one of my posts and then just say "that's stupid", which doesn't mean anything really right? Hypocrites 🙁 and it's OK if you're not the thread starter? Huh? And I don't get mad at people who side against me, as long as they don't shout insults like you guys do.
I'm not "damn sure of myself". I admit that the empire would give earth HELL, but earth would win in the end. In fact, I voted "earth wins" and not "earth pwns" when I'm pretty sure that you guys voted "empire pwns".
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallI was being glib about the yelling. See? Hard to interpret the inflection behind the written word.
ME yelling? Do you not realize that half of what you guys said was to insult me? Sometimes you'd quote one of my posts and then just say "that's stupid", which doesn't mean anything really right? Hypocrites 🙁 and it's OK if you're not the thread starter? Huh? And I don't get mad at people who side against me, as long as they don't shout insults like you guys do.I'm not "damn sure of myself". I admit that the empire would give earth HELL, but earth would win in the end. In fact, I voted "earth wins" and not "earth pwns" when I'm pretty sure that you guys voted "empire pwns".
Again though, your sheer indignation about the outcome of the scenario is what riled the rest of us on. And no one really reacts kindly sanctimony. If your gonna start a Vs. thread, then you must wonder about the possible outcome---hence the reason we do these. If your so sure of that outcome already, why make the thread? It's the reason why no respectable member makes a "Sera Keto vs. Palpatine." We know the results, so what's the point? If you had stayed open to suggestion or perhaps created more balanced statistics...
Essentially, what I'm getting at is... "peer pressure!" "Conform!"
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I was being glib about the yelling. See? Hard to interpret the inflection behind the written word.Again though, your sheer indignation about the outcome of the scenario is what riled the rest of us on. And no one really reacts kindly sanctimony. If your gonna start a Vs. thread, then you must wonder about the possible outcome---hence the reason we do these. If your so sure of that outcome already, why make the thread? It's the reason why no respectable member makes a "Sera Keto vs. Palpatine." We know the results, so what's the point? If you had stayed open to suggestion or perhaps created more balanced statistics...
Essentially, what I'm getting at is... "peer pressure!" "Conform!"
That's what I said.
Except that last. We need underdogs.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I was being glib about the yelling. See? Hard to interpret the inflection behind the written word.Again though, your sheer indignation about the outcome of the scenario is what riled the rest of us on. And no one really reacts kindly sanctimony. If your gonna start a Vs. thread, then you must wonder about the possible outcome---hence the reason we do these. If your so sure of that outcome already, why make the thread? It's the reason why no respectable member makes a "Sera Keto vs. Palpatine." We know the results, so what's the point? If you had stayed open to suggestion or perhaps created more balanced statistics...
Essentially, what I'm getting at is... "peer pressure!" "Conform!"
When did I say that I'm sure of myself?
YOU guys are sure of yourselves, given the fact that you insult anyone (me) who has a different opinion of you.
I THINK that Earth would win w/difficulty, and I'm trying to see what other people think. Obviously I back up my argument, or else what's the point of the thread? You guys on the other hand (you, Nai, Nemesis, etc) probably voted "Empire pwns" while I voted "Earth wins".
And look; you're insulting me again. 🙁