Darth Sidious v. Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by Higilo
Luke never fights sidious, so there is no vs contest it goes

Luke vs Vader Luke wins

Sidious beats Luke down

Vader betrays Sidious

Luke wins one, Sidious wins one and Vader wins one, tie game

Luke wins because Vader is slowing seeing Lukes reasoning. Luke was still very weak compaired to Vader at that point.

Sidious beats Luke like a *****...

Vader redeems himself but he's already weakened, which is why he eventually dies in the Hanger bay. If Luke hadn't bested him in the throne room, Vader would've dropped Sidious and walked on his merry way...

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
But DE luke still beat sidious

Yes, Luke did beat DE Sidious...but i'm not sure how many people have read DE tbh, so it's likely missed or ignored by most people...

I am pretty sure Vader dies because of sidious' lightning, damaging his suit, tbh Sidious rules all

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Vader would've dropped Sidious and walked on his merry way...

I doubt that very much...

Yes, Luke did beat DE Sidious...but i'm not sure how many people have read DE tbh, so it's likely missed or ignored by most people...

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Vader redeems himself but he's already weakened, which is why he eventually dies in the Hanger bay. If Luke hadn't bested him in the throne room, Vader would've dropped Sidious and walked on his merry way...

Vader died by Sidious's lightning and only the lightning. How did having his mechanical hand chopped off help result in his death? That made no sense. lol

Especially seeing as how he's had his mechanical limbs severed by a lightsaber before.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Especially seeing as how he's had his mechanical limbs severed by a lightsaber before.

After luke finished with Vader, he was breathing like an asthmatic having a sezure...sure, the lightning helped towards his initial death...but he was seriously damaged after Luke had downed him...

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
After luke finished with Vader, he was breathing like an asthmatic having a sezure...sure, the lightning helped towards his initial death...but he was seriously damaged after Luke had downed him...

Sidious's back was killing him because he was sitting in his chair too long. Didn't you notice how he was walking really slow? If it wasn't for him sitting down so much Vader would not of been able to throw him down the reactor shaft, because Sidious would have kicked him the same way Dooku kicked Anakin in ROTS.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
After luke finished with Vader, he was breathing like an asthmatic having a sezure...sure, the lightning helped towards his initial death...but he was seriously damaged after Luke had downed him...

Vader was breathing heavily due to just being beaten and exhausted from Luke's hammering. But he stood up just fine, and still managed to pick up Sidious. With one hand, I don't know how that works 😖

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I actually don't know if this has anything to do with Kenobi vs. Sidious. But...

Vader was breathing heavily due to just being beaten and exhausted from Luke's hammering. But he stood up just fine, and still managed to pick up Sidious. With one hand, I don't know how that works 😖

Originally posted by mattatom
He uses his flat molten metal stump of a hand to rest Sidious on.

Yeah, i was gonna say...lol

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I actually don't know if this has anything to do with Kenobi vs. Sidious. But...

Vader was breathing heavily due to just being beaten and exhausted from Luke's hammering. But he stood up just fine, and still managed to pick up Sidious. With one hand, I don't know how that works 😖

In ROTS, it's stated that he could not control his breathing. Which means the lightning damaged his breathing machine, not Luke. I'm not sure if he was breathing heavily when Luke cut his arm off, but he didn't strike anywhere else to cause problems for Vader. If Vader was, then it's Lucasfilm's negligence.

Originally posted by The Ground
In ROTS, it's stated that he could not control his breathing. Which means the lightning damaged his breathing machine, not Luke. I'm not sure if he was breathing heavily when Luke cut his arm off, but he didn't strike anywhere else to cause problems for Vader. If Vader was, then it's Lucasfilm's negligence.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yup. Not to mention... what use is a cyborg if his life support is kept in his right hand?

Point is, I'm using personal observation. When Vader is on the floor missing a hand, he's breathing extremely heavily. All the way up until the dropping of Palpatine into the reactor, where admittedly, hs breathing got even heavier.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Point is, I'm using personal observation. When Vader is on the floor missing a hand, he's breathing extremely heavily. All the way up until the dropping of Palpatine into the reactor, where admittedly, hs breathing got even heavier.

Breathing heavy some how helped result in his death?

I once breathed heavy. It was with a fight with my son, he was trying to hit me with a lightsaber. The ensuing battle against a younger opponent fueled by rage really drained my energy, something already hampered by my personal doubts and feelings. Then the f/ucker chopped off my hand. Got to tell you, I was winded. Oh then I died.

By the rule of association, chopped hand+grueling fight=heavy breathing, but that translates to "death round the bend".

Yeah--no.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Breathing heavy some how helped result in his death?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I once breathed heavy. It was with a fight with my son, he was trying to hit me with a lightsaber. The ensuing battle against a younger opponent fueled by rage really drained my energy, something already hampered by my personal doubts and feelings. Then the f/ucker chopped off my hand. Got to tell you, I was winded. Oh then I died.

Oh my christ, you're not seeing the point at all. You're looking but five minutes in front of you and not seeing the bigger picture. Luke didn't kill him by winding him, or making him short of breathe.

Let me lay it out:

Vader doesn't breath of his own accord, he uses equipment that aids him. When he's breathing throughout the entire trilogy, it's patternised, slow, once even so often.

Now, instead of shooting me down because perhaps i'm not perfectly clear with me exact point, hear me out.

When he duels Luke and Luke downs him, he's breathing irregularly. Now, judging by the fact that he doesn't breath by himself, when irregularity in breathing patterns occur, gotta wonder: *how did that happen*. Luke damaged the apperatus Vader uses to aid him breath while hacking at him.

When Vader decided to pick Palpatine up, the already damaged breathing apperatus would have been damaged furthermore by the lightning, granted.

Do you see my point...?

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Oh my christ, you're not seeing the point at all. You're looking but five minutes in front of you and not seeing the bigger picture. Luke didn't kill him by winding him, or making him short of breathe.

Let me lay it out:

Vader doesn't breath of his own accord, he uses equipment that aids him. When he's breathing throughout the entire trilogy, it's patternised, slow, once even so often.

Now, instead of shooting me down because perhaps i'm not perfectly clear with me exact point, hear me out.

When he duels Luke and Luke downs him, he's breathing irregularly. Now, judging by the fact that he doesn't breath by himself, when irregularity in breathing patterns occur, gotta wonder: *how did that happen*. Luke damaged the apperatus Vader uses to aid him breath while hacking at him.

When Vader decided to pick Palpatine up, the already damaged breathing apperatus would have been damaged furthermore by the lightning, granted.

Do you see my point...?

Seriously, he was missing a hand. A hand. Not a lung. Not his head. A feckin' hand. If that's all it takes to kill a Dark Lord, then he was shitiest of them all.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yes, we do. But as you lack any evidence that the toll on Vader's organic body doesn't alternate his breathing patterns...

Seriously, he was missing a hand. A hand. Not a lung. Not his head. A feckin' hand. If that's all it takes to kill a Dark Lord, then he was shitiest of them all.

Then i guess since is probably going to turn into a stalemate, due to the fact that i can see your point, but i'm adamant to the fact that something else was going on. I would say it's an error on Lucas Films' behalf...

He was obviously breathing irratically, Luke hacked at Vader violently, Vader got up breathing like a paedo in a playground...

There's just nothing that says his life support was linked to his right glove.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
There's just nothing that says his life support was linked to his right glove.

So much truth and wisdom to this... it's signature-worthy.