Darth Sidious v. Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sorry, i don't see it like that at all. Three Jedi master could not even defend themselves at the same time, even with Mace there to help. Sidious took on four blade masters without any force usage (other than inhanced speed and strength). Kit alone survived a fight with Grievous and four magnaguards, but lasted what... five seconds with Sidious, while Sidious had his attention on Mace as well.

There is just no arguement that could convince me that Kenobi can do better than three Jedi masters(with the help of Mace). You can say "well Kenobi has soresu" all you want, but that is not convincing at all. If soresu was so good at lasting longer in a duel, don't you think all Jedi would use it? Different saber styles work work different for different Jedi, that why there is more than one.

Woops... Why did i quote myself? lol

Meant to edit.

Not even going to dignify that with an answer, Sidious is stronger in lightsaber skills and in the force, for god sake Yoda struggles against him and Mace Windu, a jedi is no match for this sith lord, no jedi!!!

Originally posted by Higilo
Not even going to dignify that with an answer, Sidious is stronger in lightsaber skills and in the force, for god sake Yoda struggles against him and Mace Windu, a jedi is no match for this sith lord, no jedi!!!

Yoda struggles against him due to the environment and the bit in his office at the senate was PIS.
Mace defeats him if you remember in th scene in his office, only reason Mace delayed finishing him off was for plot advancement.

Actually GL said only two Jedi who can compete with Sidious is Mace and Yoda.

Also keep this attitude with Sidious and Gideon will hire you at some point.

Darth Sidious loses to Mace Windu because, according to my sources, he sensed Anakin coming so pretended to lose, for Anakin's sympathy, and because it was PIS. And Sidious did defeat Yoda, with or without technicalities

Originally posted by Higilo
Darth Sidious loses to Mace Windu because, according to my sources, he sensed Anakin coming so pretended to lose, for Anakin's sympathy, and because it was PIS. And Sidious did defeat Yoda, with or without technicalities

Just like Obi Wan defeated Maul with or without technicalities, both PIS.

Your sources being? It is true, Sidious held back so Anakin would act, and Sidious toyed with Anakins emotions at the mention of Padme, Anakin snapped. Nonetheless, without a Environment induced defeat you cannot call a definitive victor.

It seems rather obvious to me that Sidious never planned on defeating Mace. Remember the seen where he telepathically tells Anakin "If the jedi destroy me, any chance of saving her will be lost"? If Sidious felt so threatened by the jedi he would have tryed to retreat like he did with Yoda. Whether he threw the saber duel is still up for debate i believe. But one thing is for sure, is that Sidious would have never been killed by Mace. Lucas says he was playing weakness with the lightning.

Thank you, my point exactly, to conclude there isn't a chance Obi Wan could destroy Sidious alone

Originally posted by Higilo
Thank you, my point exactly, to conclude there isn't a chance Obi Wan could destroy Sidious alone

We weren't debating whether Obi Wan would dfat Sidious or not, we got on the fact you made the ambiguous statement that Sidious could not be dfated by any Jedi.

Ofcourse Obi Wan has no hope.

Did any Jedi defeat Sidious NO! Did the best Jedi in the galaxy beat sidious in the arrest attempt NO! Did Sidious make all the jedi he fought look like pawns in his game YES! (even Yoda)

Originally posted by Higilo
Not even going to dignify that with an answer, Sidious is stronger in lightsaber skills and in the force, for god sake Yoda struggles against him and Mace Windu, a jedi is no match for this sith lord, no jedi!!!

You just did (dignify it w/ an answer).

Originally posted by Higilo
Did any Jedi defeat Sidious NO!

Anakin's redeemed self with a distraction from Luke...

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Anakin's redeemed self with a distraction from Luke...

Originally posted by Higilo
Did any Jedi defeat Sidious NO! Did the best Jedi in the galaxy beat sidious in the arrest attempt NO! Did Sidious make all the jedi he fought look like pawns in his game YES! (even Yoda)

Mace had him beat. Vaapad was enough to beat him.

I personally don't see Darth Vader catching Darth Sidious off guard a fair victory, and even then it was a tie, they both ended up dead because of it

Originally posted by Higilo
I personally don't see Darth Vader catching Darth Sidious off guard a fair victory, and even then it was a tie, they both ended up dead because of it

Since if you want to put it in VS terms it would be...

Vader+Sidious VS Luke
to
Sidious VS Luke+Vader
to
Sidious VS Luke+Vader
to
Luke Wins.
Both team lost a member.
Overall victor being Luke.

Luke never fights sidious, so there is no vs contest it goes

Luke vs Vader Luke wins

Sidious beats Luke down

Vader betrays Sidious

Luke wins one, Sidious wins one and Vader wins one, tie game

Originally posted by Higilo
Luke never fights sidious, so there is no vs contest it goes

Luke vs Vader Luke wins

Sidious beats Luke down

Vader betrays Sidious

Luke wins one, Sidious wins one and Vader wins one, tie game

Originally posted by mattatom
He fought with his heart!

And lost his father. lol

But DE luke still beat sidious

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And lost his father. lol

Yes but still. my team comparison evolotuion 'thing' works, Luke fought Vader's Dark Side and brought the Light in him therfore adding Vader to Luke's team then Sidious and Vader both die. Luke's left standing Luke wins.