But as the great Faunus has explicitely mentioned the higher level canon: Who decides if the movie [that we can just interprete anyways, based on our own eyes] contradicts the novel, Faunus? You? To stay with our example here: The RotS movie doesn't make the Jedi accompanying Windu look too great, does it? To me some of the "best swordsman" the Jedi Order has produced, should at least be able to move an inch, instead of waiting several seconds before getting cut into pieces. Because a lack of reaction and speed certainly aren't signs of a good swordsman.
But of course, we can simply ignore that point, because we have the novel, that states they are simply great. Oh yes, we know that Mace didn't just bring the "B-Team", because Lucas said so himself. "You have to be Mace or Yoda...".
Urm. Wait a second. What? Where does Lucas refute the idea that those three belong to the "B-Team"? He, in fact, makes them the "B-Team" by stating who the "A-Team" is: Mace and Yoda (and Anakin if he hadn't been injured on Mustafar) and - because he puts him in the same league, Sidious. And even if you'd like to ignore that "interpretation" of the statement: Lucas makes it pretty clear that there is a giant gap between those two Jedi, Sidious and anybody else. So how can people from the "anybody else" department be "some of the greatest / best / finest" duellist of the Jedi Order while, at the same time, not even being remotely able to survive against one of those that Lucas views as "the best"? Does that make any sense?
I might, on a sidenote, point out pertitio principii #2 commited by Mr. Eminence: Assuming that the statement in the novel is right, while it seems to contradict what happens in the movie, and justifying this idea by stating that the novel has to be right, because it's canon. Awesomeness incarnated.
No, that was very much an OOU explanation for what you figure should be happening in-universe based on a statement [which I'd like to see] by Leland Chee.
Straw man #6:
Faunus can pierce my skull with his gaze and read my thoughts while being several thousand miles away. The sad thing is, that this special ability comes with the inability to read my posts. Let me just quote myself again with some nice bold letters to emphasize words that I, apparently, just added to the text at random:
Excuse me, Faunus. According to Leland Chee, the action depicted on screen could happen far faster in the actual SWU. When Anakin sees Mace and Sidious fighting, he can't hardly follow their movements according to the RotS novel. If that's to be taken as a fact, then - obviously - the movie just shows a slow-motion version of the fight, in order to have the audience enjoy it. And if that is the case, the entire "action" might have happened faster than we perceive.
Holy mother of all three-headed monkeys. Is it possible, Faunus, that you were trying to use a straw man me once again? I know, it never get's boring, but, you know, when you use a straw man, you're not exactly arguing with me or refuting my point – you just talk to yourself in public. Which is not the brightest thing to do, unless you need a free ride to the next asylum.
On a sidenote I may ask if it was your genious that made you question the evidence from the RotS novel I mentioned up there, while, at the same time, trying to pass down the entire novel as one coherent piece of absolute canon. Do you agree with me now? Ouch.
I'm fairly sure I win. You should probably stop now.
You're right. When playing games with yourself (arguing points you managed to construct yourself – or such that you could just contest by ignoring parts of the argument), the chance that another player wins the game is rather low. Suffice to say: The chance that you archive anything with that kind of "debating" is likewise pretty small, or, to be more precise, non-existant.
And why should I stop? Each time you hit the reply button, hilarity ensues. So just keep bringing the cheap entertainment. I'm rather sure you can come up with another great attempt to refute my arguments by...either ignoring them or playing dumb. But maybe you can at least top the KMC record for the most logical fallacies used in a single posting. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Or, just an idea, you can cease with your desperate and futile attempts to "own" me, come up with some actual thinking and post the results of that. Instead of welting in the oozy mires of Gideon-style-debating aka "It's written down so it has to be the absolute truth!!!111oneoneelevenithinkipwn"
And let me just make this clear once more:
I'm not on the opposite site of that "absolute thinking" philosophy. I don't think that every statement in the EU has to be questioned and I also don't think that every statement in the EU needs backup by other sources - that would break the mold of the writing and the interpretation of fiction in general and the SW EU specifically. The point, and please read carefully here, is that there are statements in the EU, where one (or at least myself) has to believe that whoever put them there, must have suffered from severe brain damage or the influence of some wierd drugs.
And it should be allowed to discuss / question lines appearing in the EU, without getting - metaphorically - run over by the "but it's teh canon!1" killer argument, which - sorry to tell you - isn't sufficient to refute any critical thoughts on certain issues. And if you can't live with that idea, it's pointless to even attempt any kind of discussion. We could just bash each other with EU statements that we see fit and ignore everything we don't like. The SWU is specifically constructed in a way that allows every fan to - almost - thinks what he likes. I wonder where the difference between that and the supposed "cherrypicking" of Janus can be found - maybe in the fact that you need to use your brains to participate in the latter.
Finding quotes that support your ideas when given more than 100 comics, novels, sourcebooks, scripts, video games and other stuff, doesn't exactly qualify as "great debating", does it? You can simply use the "feat-war-until-win" tactic to participate in most discussions with movie characters in them, and the protagonists of the video games can be just placed in the SW pantheon. So, when Janus talks about "thinking outside the box", I can sometimes just wonder if there is actually any thinking going on inside of it.