Elektra vs Batman

Originally posted by jrodslam
In DD defense, the only time he really isnt on top of his game is if hes injured, coming off of an injury or hasnt had any sleep. Other than that hes pretty much never rusty.

Which one of those was his excuse when Cap took him to the cleaners?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hey thats not fair jin. How many times have there been debates and something like that has been mentioned? we go by whats shown by characters on a normal basis. I can and do put DD over her for what he consistently shows all through his career. Ok so he cant take Tasky out in 2 hits, but hes beat him nonetheless.

That IS fair. That is at a level of Elektra's consistency owning people who have given legitmate high level streeters a run for their money with relative ease.

It's also not inconsistent for DD to have problems wih someone on the level of Taskmaster so you explain to me how that's not fair or isn't normal. 😬

And DD didn't een manage that. They were going hit for hit and Taskmaster thought he could keep it up all night, DD kinda did a tip of the hat in agreement with that statment by defecting to using a plot device and his superpowers as opposed to "waisting time" trying to take him down.

Originally posted by jrodslam
In the scans you posted, it didnt actually show her beating Silver Samurai. DD has however dropped SS in a fight. He didnt stay down, but keeping him down wasnt really the main objective.

I didn't post the fight but she does beat him. And when DD did it was it when SS was sporting class 10 superhuman strength?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Dont ever recall him doing it, although he has saved her life on more than 1 occasion. I doubt it. But has Elektra ever taken on 100 Yakuza armed with guns with nothing but a stick?

Originally posted by jrodslam
He actually has used telepathy.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can he? Sure why not.

I dont think DD has ever tried.

How about because he's failed to miserably. 😬

Well he's had plenty of chances to try; I don't think he can. Otherwise Punisher wouldn't be such a pain in his ass.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Question. When was her second birth? When did she get new powers or awaken them rather? How do we know the Elektra youre talking about isnt a skrull?

I think shes easier to capture and taint is why they wanted her more than him.

I wouldnt argue that.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine defeated Logan in an Ennis book with a throat chop.. which we all know is hardcore honest writing, especially since Logan had his face shot off curbed Punisher, had his legs sawed into and kep after him, Got run over by a steam roller and was still screamin under it, got hit by a rocket launcher and didn even get KOed, got punched by Hulk from New York to Boston and got on the next train back to the fight AND... IN THE SAME BOOK BY THE SAME WRITER!

Down playing a writer. Yet that sage of Wolverine enemy of state was written by who Mark Millar mister aka change there personalities at a whim against all continuity. Logan had low self esteem to jealousy of DD to high praise for him and Electra. Logan was his more confident to what he wants type self. To even infer such statement like say idiot to himself he just put down Electra the greatest ninja what chances do I have.

LOL......well first of all Logan is harder much harder to put down and has class level claws that can hurt being Electra can only dream of hurting. Yeah go Millar.

But hell OK will use this and see how it goes. Logan says Electra is the greatest Ninja right? Big deal Ninja is known for killing and getting the job done without letting the opponent know your there. Not greatest fighter. Does not inform to be put ahead of Daredevil. Its like saying Shang is the greatest martial artist doesn't make him the greatest fighter.

So there went that right down the rabbit hole.

But you need Logan not to kill Frank on the spot so he can survive, run away, and set up his "prep" for the heroes for the next issue and DD drops him with a throat chop (In spite of the fact that Logan's had every organ crushed by Namor, and Hulk and been fine with it, In spite of the fact that he's had swords and knives in his throat while he was running around, but he goes down to one throat chop?) It's the very definition of PIS...

Good not apply it to Millars LOL. Since Logan sounded like a low esteemed self useless in comparison to Electra. Which is insane if you look at there record abilities and feats.

Likewise, Wolverine when he's been in his right mind AND wasn't written by Ennis got blindsided by an attacking Daredevil and had him in a full nelson in three panels. Now that's humiliation, it speaks volumes over Wolverine's fights with Elektra and not in a good way. It doesn't help DD's case that Elektra has a win over Logan that's legitimate from before her sceond rebirth... Something DD's still missin on his resume'.

A win over Logan last I checked there fight was interrupted with water flooding the area. Thats not a legit win over Logan as is DD's.

I already gave you the issue.. It's like I'm talking to friggin wall!
Wolverine: Agent of SHIELD issue # 29.

And as Electra admitted she could not penetrate Logans own thoughts. Doesn't stem to show how this - mind raping someone as you have yet to show this.

Funny thing is....Millar PIS it again. Gorgon couldn't penetrate Logans mind either with the Psy blocks. Electra at least could talk to Logan via telepath. Yet Gorgon got in and out of the better Psy mind with Electra. Meaning Electra mind abilities couldn't do anything towards Gorgon yet she could with Logan's psy.

Either way no impression is given with any type of mind rape level.

Also on another note Electra fought Bullseye in DD v2# 79 year 06.
Wolverines fight with Electra/Gorgon happened in 05.

Meaning it was after Electra's RERE resurrection. Meaning a more skilled version of Electra still couldn't hack it against Bullseye.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
by defeat you mean almost died and got extremely lucky for the massive plot deivces which save dhis life?

Not so that came with endurance and handling more pain as well to figure it out. Its called outwitting your opponent in a fight.

More like a weakness for Gorgon.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actaully they were not. His mind was being manipulated/ messed with and controlled. Thoses were far from his own thoughts.

Good now apply this to his thoughts on Electra.

How did they help him? He never even attacked with them.

Look at the book again. The were shooting arrows left and right at DD. As DD did have to go through a good group. He even had to hit them with ricochets during the time Logan was impressed.

If anything DD's encounter with Logan was more difficult then Electras with Logan.

It kind of does. i mean if DD was better would not he have been picked?

Prove it? Find me a quote that they say this. Could be many reasons to her making better "saki" for them at there brunches. The hand night outs.

he die horriably.

Not yet Electra did though. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]It wasn't a friggin surprise attack... Taskmaster announced himself and they even had a full blown conversation before the fight kicked off.
Cap "pulled it off" by pulling a weapon out of nowhere that Taskmaster didn't even know existed. Taskmaster even alludes that he's surprised by it. After that Cap knocked him off the edge of the structure they were on. Taskmaster didn't run away because he was a shoe in to lose, he always books from fights, even the one's he's winning.

Fact is he was curbin Cap that whole fight until Cap pulled his energy sheild out on him. You can't look at that fight and tell me it DOESN'T show Taskmaster as an elite fighter, even if you think Cap had a decisive win at the end. 😬

And yet he had the suprise advantage on that fight and Tasky had all kinds of weapons and Cap had none. Yes before Cap knew who was attacking him he threw his shield putting Cap off balance as he then set up some shots with explosive arrows.

Fact is he was curbin Cap with all his weapons and with distance advantage and surprise in the beginning. Fact of the matter is Cap had the advantage in the end and Taskmaster ran away. Just like he did in his first encounter.

What do you want me to do post scans of her entire comic runs?
Don't blame me because you don't know about her character.

Lol, DD's said several times that he gets out of shape or isn't at the top of his game if he doesn't constantly train, so no he's not constantly improving anywhere NEAR a point that would compare to the physical mystical and psionic developments that Elektra has gone through over the years...

Wrong he is improving as seen with his skills and fights. His radar and esoteric skills to boot. And as he has shown way better pressure pointing skills over Electra.

Cap was at a disadvantage during that fight too. The fight ended inconclusively. Cap didn't go after him, I guess we can assume he gave up too.

Ah, my mistake then. You can't change the fact that Cap who's possibly one of if not thee best h2h technician in Marvel was getting crap kicked that entire fight until he surprised TM with an energy shield.. but you certainly can ignore it, and hey... you are.

As your are ignoring circumstances as well and hey.....you are. He gave up to look for Ronnie. Tasky gave up well cause Cap gained the advantage. He ran from Cap here and he ran from Cap in there first encounter.

Don't get me wrong Tasky is a toughy but lets face it.

Their overall record?

What has Daredevil done that puts him at a higher caliber than Elektra? Seriously. Hey, remember when I asked you to give me an example of DD taking someone down on Taskmasters level in two hits.. Can you do that?
How about dropping someone on Silver Samurai's level of skill and strength as descisively?
How about blocking automatic gunfire?
Blitzing accross 50 yards and multiple gunmen without them even able to recognize what happened?
Or using telepathy?
Can he take Wolverine down when Wolverine's not mind controlled or written by Ennis?
Has Daredevil ever swiped a gun out of Punisher's hands before Punisher even had a chance of realizing what happened?

😐

Use your own advice here for DD's overall record. As you stated """What do you want me to do post scans of "his" entire comic runs?
Don't blame me because you don't know about DD's character.""

Bottom line you have not proved Electra superiority. Not even close.

Uh no... We don't use Superman Prime for every Superman debate. We don't use cosmic Spidey for every Spiderman thread. We don't use an adamantiumless Wolverine for every Wolverine thread. We don't use classic human Sabretooth for every Sabes thread.
We use current versions of the characters we debate. Current Elektra (or at least the last Elektra we saw before she got body-switched) is not worth comparing to the old one. When she got aced by Bullseye or fought him it was before her second rebirth. Before her hand modifications, training, and awakening of her new powers....

Wrong it was way after her rebirth. Look at the dates. Plus now we don't even know were Electra stands since she a scroll from what I understand.

As Hammer said.
The Hand thinks Elektra is worth more to them than Daredevil.

Wolverine thinks she's the greatest ninja in the world, period.

Just watching her go down made Wolverine second guess himself completely...

On the other hand DD's just an annoyance.

Worth more is not stated in which way. In fact she even failed the first times in there rituals. Again nothing indicating she's better. Big deal for Logan indicating she's the greatest ninja. Doesn't translate at all into greatest fighter.

What are ninjas known for killing silently and or without being aware there even present. Big deal nothing note worthy on any indication of her fights, especially considering one of her last ones.

Still see no evidence for your alleged mind rapes.

DD's is why Logan thought street characters are the best though his fight with him.

Electra from the past.

Electra after refining her skills and improving after the hand and gaining more skills.

Yeah color me unimpressed. More like Electra is just a annoyance, as Bullseye is easily holding her as like she doesn't exist at times. Yes sir this is after the Gorgon saga way after at that. With DD's help she couldn't finish him off.

She may have impressed Logan by Mr. Millar I make them out of character for even a dime to eat. Yeah.

But hey even if I use Millars take it still doesn't show superiorty over the A-list that is DD. Let alone the idea that she's better then Bruce or mind rapes him "shruggs"

And

Hopefully I don't have to tell you who saves her.

And here DD saves Electra again from a card thrown by.....well you know.

Yeah..........pretty much.

Originally posted by jinzin
Which one of those was his excuse when Cap took him to the cleaners?

Cap did that when DD had recently came from Mephistos hell. Fatigue is the answer.

Originally posted by jinzin
That IS fair. That is at a level of Elektra's consistency owning people who have given legitmate high level streeters a run for their money with relative ease.

No it isnt. Who else has she owned in 2 hits thats highly ranks skill wise?

Originally posted by jinzin
It's also not inconsistent for DD to have problems wih someone on the level of Taskmaster so you explain to me how that's not fair or isn't normal. 😬

First encounter, Elektra was more familiar with Tasky than DD was. Second time DD fought Tasky, he toyed with him and used his own mimic abilities to not only defeat him, but to defeat others.

Originally posted by jinzin
I didn't post the fight but she does beat him. And when DD did it was it when SS was sporting class 10 superhuman strength?

Well you posted some scans with her tussling with SS. May as well post the fight.😬 It was stated in your scan that SS was cl 10, but how long did that last. He sure as hell wasnt cl 10 the last few times we saw him. When DD fought him, i have no clue if he was cl 10 or not. I do know that he kicked DD in the back and DD stated that his back was on fire.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, she's taken down 20 armed guards and two helicopters with nothing though.

Took out 2 helicopters with punches and or kicks?

Originally posted by jinzin
Really, that's news to me. Show me please.

Originally posted by jinzin
How about because he's failed to miserably. 😬

Well he's had plenty of chances to try; I don't think he can. Otherwise Punisher wouldn't be such a pain in his ass.

Failed miserably to do what?

Hes unarmed Punisher plenty of times. Hes never tried to unarm him without him knowing. The only reason Punisher is a pain in the ass at times is only because DD permits it.

jrodslam owning away.
✅

Cap did that when DD had recently came from Mephistos hell. Fatigue is the answer.

Pretty much but not just fatigue, he literally went through hell and back in that saga. And before his later stuff that he encountered in the upper state.

DD was anything put in peak condition. Shoot practically all his fights there are circumstances with either Cap or DD not being 100 %

So saying Cap took DD too the cleaners is not accurate at all.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Not so that came with endurance and handling more pain as well to figure it out. Its called outwitting your opponent in a fight.

More like a weakness for Gorgon.

what your responses makes no senses.

how does an individual tripping and fallowing sword have anything to do with DD out witting im?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what your responses makes no senses.

how does an individual tripping and fallowing sword have anything to do with DD out witting im?

My mistake wrong fight. Was thinking of DD vs Taskmaster out witting him.

Gorgon was just a weakness type deal that Logan found or accidentally got either way......its a win.

Now the fight with DD was doing well against Logan. Who at the time had Ninjas helping and to add to that he hurt Logan bad to have him fall on a sword.

Logan just didn't trip by accident or something.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Now the fight with DD was doing well against Logan.

Not relly he was on his last leg so to speak.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Who at the time had Ninjas helping .

Originally posted by Daredevil1
and to add to that he hurt Logan bad to have him fall on a sword.

Logan just didn't trip by accident or something.

There were so many plot devices to happen just so DD did not die. Also further Logan was not out of the fight or defeated he simply regained control of his on mind.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I am asking you what level you put batman at.

Most of his feats require metahuman attributes, which he’s garnered through his training. Lulz OH NOES!!! I’m such a fanboy!!!11@

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes I know. I am saying he did not realizes he had been hurt do the adrenalin in his body.

Okay, and apparently you didn’t get my point. If it was the adrenaline keeping him from feeling the pain, as you stated before, it wouldn’t have just worn off two seconds after he released his teacher.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
True, but he clearly showed to be injured.

Covering up his leg doesn’t equate to him being hurt, especially when his master told him to bandage it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it was stated to have stop bleeding. He was also told to bandage it. If it had been completely closed there would be no need to bandage it would there?

Look at the scan. Use some common sense, dammit. The bullet hole was completely closed after one panel. Trying to argue this point is completely asinine. The bleeding stopped BECAUSE THE BULLET HOLE CLOSED. The sensei told Bruce to wrap the remaining wound that was left there.

What exactly is this indicative of? Accelerated healing due to the nature of his training… for the billionth time.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
In New x-men 116 I believe was the issue number in which Logan through his insight of MA is able to amplify healing factor while meditating

If you have any scans at all to help support this claim, they’d be appreciated. I can’t seem to find the comic anywhere…

Regardless, Logan already has a healing factor, so it’s not like he gained that attribute through his training.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Shang-chi
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shangchiiq8.jpg

So outlasting a doctor’s prognosis = healing from a bullet hole in a panel? Seems more like a feat of willpower than anything else.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Danny
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dannyhealinghimselftwoyo5.jpg

I already acknowledged Danny. And anyway, there’s a difference between actually focusing and healing oneself via meditation vs. healing instinctively, like Batman did.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He currently alive I believe.

Because of reincarnation, if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Stick was able to through training in the martial arts defy death and remain on earth as shown when he fights wolverine in Wolverine Onslaught Impact 2 issue 105

He was granted his abilities through training in the dark arts of martial arts. This allowed him to controls others minds, implant his mind in others, amp his abilities, be unkillable ect.

I’m not talking about extended life bullshit. So far, you’ve given me one legit scan of a martial artist healing himself through training. But even that was because of meditation, not because his body did it naturally.

And I’m still waiting for the proof that shows Elektra and/or Daredevil doing the same thing. Saying most top martial artists can do what Batman did in that scan is a pretty bold statement, my friend.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm sorry I don't remember the last time Deathstroke batted away automatic machine gun fire with knives.. 😬

I can’t remember the last time he needed to. But these scans should suffice. It’s been stated many times that his speed and thought process is HIGHLY accelerated.

http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teentitans5pyratep02034iv.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg026in5vv.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
1. he didn't show any sign that he was on his way to really winning that. 😬
2. Hard fought unless you count premature instances.
3. Speculation for that fight not others.
4. He MAY be stronger, but he's not faster being able to trip flash isn't a real showing of his speed.

Batman has good showings but how can you honestly try to argue that he's going to beat someone who's easily as skilled as he is, and much faster when it comes to hand speed?

I was also assuming this was a straight hand to hand seeing as Batman's suit grants him superhuman durability and fail safes on top of that I would think that it falls into equiptment not to be considered for this fight.

1. Regardless, you’re using an example from the 80’s to try and prove that Elektra would win this fight. Batman’s had plenty more, and plenty better feats than that since then. You don’t see me hanging on to Bullseye’s defeats of Elektra here, do you?

2. Okay, I’m guessing you mixed up 2 and 3. Anyway, besides Batman’s encounter with Shiva during the Public Enemies arc, the only other legit fight they’ve had was in Batman #427, again back in the 80’s. You’re using old evidence while disregarding any of his other feats.

3. One was hard fought, and that was their sparring match where Batman basically one-armed the entire fight. The other fight was quite easy for Bruce.

4. I’m sorry… MAY be stronger? Her blocking an attack from Silver Samurai doesn’t mean she has the strength of 100 men…

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathstrokestrength9kq.jpg

Nor does it even mean that she has super strength. Come on now, jinzin. 😬 And
anyway, “tripping Flash” isn’t his only feat of speed.

I love how you can post feats for Elektra that’s meant to show why she wins this and yet when I post scans of Batman doing things that are easily superior to her feats, they’re ignored. Double standard much? 😐

And not only do you ignore all of them, but you also focus on old and outdated feats for Batman to back up your claims.

So who or what is the most character Elektra has beaten in combat? Taskmaster? Uh… impressive, yes, but enough evidence to suggest that she is capable of beating BATMAN in a h2h fight for a majority? Hellz to the no. 😬

Also, the opening post for this thread stated "no bat toys" for Batman, as in- no utility belt. I assume since it says "Batman" and not "Bruce Wayne," he's wearing the costume. And even without it, he would still win.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not relly he was on his last leg so to speak.

Last legs he was hurt but DD had more juice. Either way theres not proof its not like he's huffing or puffing away for oxygen or lying down.

They fought seperatly and really did not effect there fight in the least.

Wrong it did and could have gone differently with different sets of hits occurring. Logan had help. Doesn't change that fact.

Not really. He used a desperate attack hitting logan and logan tripped on the hand ninjas leg behind him and fell on a sword which perfectly went inbetween his ribcage and pierced his lung.........

Desperate that's just DD using the environment to the area just like Logan using tons of Ninjas, psy blocks. Bullseye uses lots of stuff around doesn't make him desperate makes him smarter. Not smarter the Logan.......mind you. But just smarter for himself.

DD also used a sledge hammer on Tombstone. Logans lucky that wasn't around....... 🙂

There were so many plot devices to happen just so DD did not die. Also further Logan was not out of the fight or defeated he simply regained control of his on mind.

Daredevil wasn't out of it either. As I never stated Logan was out of the fight to begin with. Just like Logan wasn't out of the fight with Electra either.

Only DD had the harder fight. Plus there were plot devices for Electra as well but oh well thats how the dice rolls.

Btw, Batman shows more accelerated healing in Gotham: Underground #4 and #5.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Down playing a writer. Yet that sage of Wolverine enemy of state was written by who Mark Millar mister aka change there personalities at a whim against all continuity. Logan had low self esteem to jealousy of DD to high praise for him and Electra. Logan was his more confident to what he wants type self. To even infer such statement like say idiot to himself he just put down Electra the greatest ninja what chances do I have.

If you're not aware by now that Ennis can't write worth a crap when it comes to writing other heroes in guest appearances then you seriously need to read up on the man.. Down playing the writer.. pfffft..it's like you don't even know who Ennis is...
You seriously need to read the last couple of pages in the Wolverine/Punisher thread.

That second part doesn't even make sense.
Wolverine just saw somebody clobber he obviously considers a huge threat without even trying of course it gave him pause for thought.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL......well first of all Logan is harder much harder to put down and has class level claws that can hurt being Electra can only dream of hurting. Yeah go Millar.

But hell OK will use this and see how it goes. Logan says Electra is the greatest Ninja right? Big deal Ninja is known for killing and getting the job done without letting the opponent know your there. Not greatest fighter. Does not inform to be put ahead of Daredevil. Its like saying Shang is the greatest martial artist doesn't make him the greatest fighter.

So there went that right down the rabbit hole.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Good not apply it to Millars LOL. Since Logan sounded like a low esteemed self useless in comparison to Electra. Which is insane if you look at there record abilities and feats..

Originally posted by Daredevil1
A win over Logan last I checked there fight was interrupted with water flooding the area. Thats not a legit win over Logan as is DD's.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And as Electra admitted she could not penetrate Logans own thoughts. Doesn't stem to show how this - mind raping someone as you have yet to show this.

She didn't have a problem doing it when he turned on the Hand after infiltrating them did she.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Funny thing is....Millar PIS it again. Gorgon couldn't penetrate Logans mind either with the Psy blocks. Electra at least could talk to Logan via telepath. Yet Gorgon got in and out of the better Psy mind with Electra. Meaning Electra mind abilities couldn't do anything towards Gorgon yet she could with Logan's psy.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Either way no impression is given with any type of mind rape level.
Also on another note Electra fought Bullseye in DD v2# 79 year 06.
Wolverines fight with Electra/Gorgon happened in 05.
Meaning it was after Electra's RERE resurrection. Meaning a more skilled version of Electra still couldn't hack it against Bullseye.

If she can infiltrate a mind like Logans and she did.. I haveto disagree.
Then I think it's my turn to call PIS. Or CIS whichever you prefer.. See the thing is, her direct comparisons againsteither DD or Bullseye usually do look bad as she's not performing at peak levels due to psychological trauma, love or a combination of both. That's the logical assumption of what's going on, the other is that the DD writer was just ignoring Elektra's prowess in that instance to make fora good fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And yet he had the suprise advantage on that fight and Tasky had all kinds of weapons and Cap had none. Yes before Cap knew who was attacking him he threw his shield putting Cap off balance as he then set up some shots with explosive arrows.

OMG Cap was turned and facing the man having a conversation he didn't get jumped like in your fantasy.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Fact is he was curbin Cap with all his weapons and with distance advantage and surprise in the beginning. Fact of the matter is Cap had the advantage in the end and Taskmaster ran away. Just like he did in his first encounter.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wrong he is improving as seen with his skills and fights. His radar and esoteric skills to boot. And as he has shown way better pressure pointing skills over Electra.

Pressure points, pfffttt Elektra isn't kind enough to use pressure points on most of her enemies.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
As your are ignoring circumstances as well and hey.....you are. He gave up to look for Ronnie. Tasky gave up well cause Cap gained the advantage. He ran from Cap here and he ran from Cap in there first encounter.

Yeah "he ran way like he did in their first fight" In spite of the fact that Cap was on the ground being beaten like a rug it's because tasky was losing.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Don't get me wrong Tasky is a toughy but lets face it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Use your own advice here for DD's overall record. As you stated """What do you want me to do post scans of "his" entire comic runs?
Don't blame me because you don't know about DD's character.""

Bottom line you have not proved Electra superiority. Not even close.

I'm going to assume I've seen enough of DD's character to disagree...

He hasn't done half the things I've asked to prove in comparison to Elektra so I'm under the impression that she's clearly superior when CIS ins't involved in the fight, against Batman CIS won't be involved in the fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wrong it was way after her rebirth. Look at the dates. Plus now we don't even know were Electra stands since she a scroll from what I understand.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Worth more is not stated in which way. In fact she even failed the first times in there rituals. Again nothing indicating she's better. Big deal for Logan indicating she's the greatest ninja. Doesn't translate at all into greatest fighter.

What are ninjas known for killing silently and or without being aware there even present. Big deal nothing note worthy on any indication of her fights, especially considering one of her last ones.

Still see no evidence for your alleged mind rapes.

DD's is why Logan thought street characters are the best though his fight with him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Cap did that when DD had recently came from Mephistos hell. Fatigue is the answer.

Originally posted by jrodslam
No it isnt. Who else has she owned in 2 hits thats highly ranks skill wise?

Originally posted by jrodslam
First encounter, Elektra was more familiar with Tasky than DD was. Second time DD fought Tasky, he toyed with him and used his own mimic abilities to not only defeat him, but to defeat others.

Not in her first encounter with him andshe was owning him regardless.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well you posted some scans with her tussling with SS. May as well post the fight.😬 It was stated in your scan that SS was cl 10, but how long did that last. He sure as hell wasnt cl 10 the last few times we saw him. When DD fought him, i have no clue if he was cl 10 or not. I do know that he kicked DD in the back and DD stated that his back was on fire.

The answer I was looking for was no since it was an early ass appearance.. He was only powered up for ashort time between his time as a superhero and his fight/help with Kitty Pride.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Took out 2 helicopters with punches and or kicks?

Originally posted by jrodslam

Failed miserably to do what?

Hes unarmed Punisher plenty of times. Hes never tried to unarm him without him knowing. The only reason Punisher is a pain in the ass at times is only because DD permits it.

I'm not sure that's really DD using telepathy as much as it's someone elseusing telepathy and DD responding to it hence the exaggerated bubble for the ninja and not for DD.

Disarmed? Sure, stripped a gun away from him so fast he didn't even know it was missing from his hands? No....

That's the thing, Everything she does is a cut above DD until they start working together or against one another.. It's CIS at it's best.

But DD isn't in this fight. 😬