Kratos & Dante vs Kain

Originally posted by Gumachi
Why did the Barbarian have them then? Doesn't mean they were Hades' Souls, or it would have been stated. He is the God of the Underworld, Thanatos is the God of the Dead (or Death).

And just because he says it, it's all of a sudden true? Already been prove.

But, yet, you claim he does. Funny, you needed a book to claim that Raziel could switch from the Spectral Realm the the Material Realm. "The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth. We can identify three Balance Guardians, pictured above." If you're talking about that, it doesn't prove shit.

Where is Thanatos mentioned in God of war? Because he was an undead guy for one who wielded a hammer with the power of hades, souls only belong to Hades.

Yes but I was not using hyperbolic terms unlike you now......and now your blowing out hot air, your just saying it doesnt prove shit just because ive tossed over your argument, stop stamping your feet like a blubbering baby.

He isn't. Either way you look at it, he's the God of Death(something like that). Hades is just God of the Underworld...might be the dead in God of War, though.

Actually I wasn't. You're just saying it because your a hypocrite. Still doesn't change the fact you needed a MANUAL, and that you claim Kain has unlimited magic. Baby? I'm not the one bitching and acting childish(funny how you make up false bullshit).

Originally posted by Gumachi
He isn't. Either way you look at it, he's the God of Death(something like that). Hades is just God of the Underworld...might be the dead in God of War, though.

Actually I wasn't. You're just saying it because your a hypocrite. Still doesn't change the fact you needed a MANUAL, and that you claim Kain has unlimited magic. Baby? I'm not the one bitching and acting childish(funny how you make up false bullshit).

What diffrence does any of this make at all? souls are still ruled by Hades and hades is the only one in the God of War universe to have rulership over them, if theres a soul, its by default Hades as master of the underworld but either way, that still doesnt mean anything, Kratos can create souls regardless, your failing at worthless nitpicking.

Now your trolling me, ill ignore you until you stop whimpering and start making an argument.

We don't know if he is the only one. Yeah, and Dante gets Yamato. What's your point? Just because it's RULED by someone doesn't make it "it". Like, Chronos, he is the King of The Titans, but yet, he is able to summon lighting. Does that mean he has power over lighting? Just because he summons then doesn't make it Hades' Souls. He killed(?) souls in CoO(i'm shure he did), doesn't that make it Hades' souls? No.

That's what I thought, lol, *****.

Anyway my current conclusion to this thread is that its still spite, Kain can take Dante alone easily and to be honest Kratos is not even going ot be part of the fight for the reasons underlined that are speed and distance he can cover, most of his ranged attacks are ignorable and he has little to no ways of reaching Kain, even Dante has near to no ways of reaching Kain once he has his range then he can just spam any of his vast array of powerful spells until their destroyed.

Wait, even if they COULD reach Kain, so what? Last time I checked he was pretty much immortal.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wait, even if they COULD reach Kain, so what? Last time I checked he was pretty much immortal.

Originally posted by Phanteros
doesn't mean he won't get a savage beating

They can hardly touch him and a quick mist or teleport will have him out of their grasp again, not that he would have to, a fling of his hand and both could be stuck in TK powers or frozen in time.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Anyway my current conclusion to this thread is that its still spite, Kain can take Dante alone easily and to be honest Kratos is not even going ot be part of the fight for the reasons underlined that are speed and distance he can cover, most of his ranged attacks are ignorable and he has little to no ways of reaching Kain, even Dante has near to no ways of reaching Kain once he has his range then he can just spam any of his vast array of powerful spells until their destroyed.

I never said Kratos & Dante wins. As for the spells, he has to perform a gesture, which won't happen. Why is Kratos useless? No ways of reaching him? Kain has no way of touching Dante. How can he stop Posiedon's Rage, Typhon's Bow, Hades' Souls, etc? In battle combat, Kain is pathetic. Kratos is far better than Kain in battle combat. He may be fast in "battle speed", but, Kratos is far faster using weapons(look at him swing The Blade of Olympus). I bet Kain couldn't use The Blades of Chaos like Kratos can. As for mist; Dante can create a vortex with Agni & Rudra; Kratos can use Typhon's bow

Originally posted by SamZED
Wait, even if they COULD reach Kain, so what? Last time I checked he was pretty much immortal.

Immortal means unable to die of old age. He technially is "immortal"(invincible in these terms). But it, technially , isn't allowed. Either way, he will have a hard time(technially, the only way to kill Dante is by ripping his heart out with a Devil Arm).

Originally posted by Gumachi
I never said Kratos & Dante wins. As for the spells, he has to perform a gesture, which won't happen. Why is Kratos useless? No ways of reaching him? Kain has no way of touching Dante. How can he stop Posiedon's Rage, Typhon's Bow, Hades' Souls, etc? In battle combat, Kain is pathetic. Kratos is far better than Kain in battle combat. He may be fast in "battle speed", but, Kratos is far faster using weapons(look at him swing The Blade of Olympus). I bet Kain couldn't use The Blades of Chaos like Kratos can. As for mist; Dante can create a vortex with Agni & Rudra; Kratos can use Typhon's bow.

Dante can be destroyed with most of Kains spells, whether it be soul destroying, time powers, blood shower etc , all of their powers can be repelled or made useless by Kains repel shield. Both agni and Rudra and Tpyhons bow would be useless since they wouldnt do anything other than make it impossible for them to know where Kain is going to reform. Not to mention the fact theyll never get them off before Kian has reformed and teleported elseware, both moves have a fair charge time in comparison to Kains mist.

Soul destroying? He can resist. Time powers? Dante has QuikSilver, Chrono Heart, and Quiksilver. Blood shower? It has no affect on Dante(and doesn't he have to be weakened?). Repel Shield? Royal Guard. How can he stop a giant tornado? Charge time? They don't need to be charged. As for telekenesis, Dante can just summon his doppleganger to aid him. Which...Kain has nonething to stop--the doppleganger. Dante bascially destroyed an immaterial being, so maybe he could do something to mist?

Neither have any resistance to soul destruction, Dante having some limited time powers does not make a diffrence to kains....and wtf, Dante has no resistance against Blood shower either, theres not a single move in the DMC universe like it. Royal guard is just a block with his chosen weapon. Why would he stop a tornado, it can do nothing to him...yes they do, it takes about 3/4 seconds for Kratos to perform his tornado move if not more, and to create real whirling flames with agni and Rudra Dante takes almost as long, Kain can reform and transform into mist instantly. lol wtf, Doppleganger is just an uninteligent copy of Dante, it wouldnt help much at all not to mention your going against your own rules, you said no doppleganger.

Does someone eating your soul count? Yeah, limited depending on the meter of his Devil guage, which is a gameplay mechanic. A vampire-godess tried to suck his blood (which is on the same level as Kain), and she failed. Royal Guard blocks anything, infact, it asorbs your energy, so he can toss it back at Kain 😉 How do you know it won't do anything to him? Kratos...yes. Dante...no. It happens instantly with Dante. Prove it won't help. Well if he did have doppleganger, only light could stop it, which Kain doesn't have.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Does someone eating your soul count? Yeah, limited depending on the meter of his Devil guage, which is a gameplay mechanic. A vampire-godess tried to suck his blood (which is on the same level as Kain), and she failed. Royal Guard blocks anything, infact, it asorbs your energy, so he can toss it back at Kain 😉 How do you know it won't do anything to him? Kratos...yes. Dante...no. It happens instantly with Dante. Prove it won't help. Only LIGHT can damage doppleganger, so how is he going to stop it?

When did something try and eat his soul? its not quite the same tbh. limited by the fact hes only used it for small amounts of time. Thats nothing like blood shower at all...Kains not just trying to suck his blood, hes using a magic spell that squeezes him dry of blood like you would water from a sponge, he is screwed and so is Kratos in the face of blood shower. Thats just its gameplay, as you said gameplay "mechanic" you cant complain about one mechanic while using another you like you know....show me it happening instantly with Dante. I dont have to prove some ability youve brought up wont help, you need to give reasons why it would do any good at all, you cant just claim an ability Dante has like "zomg Dante can fly, he winz" and ask me to prove why it wouldnt, not to mention I dont have to prove negatives in a debate anyway. Kain gains the power of Raziel and his reaver at the end of defiane, one of the reavers is the reaver of light. Also most things Kain does creates light, from his lightning bolt, to his energy beam, hell Kain could create his simplest spell, his lumiscent globe thing that would kill doppleganger 😆

In mission 11, I think. If your talking about the QS scene, he left, and that's when the stones dropped. Too bad it won't effect him, besides, he has to perform a gesture...which, Dante is too fast. Besides, how can he perform these spells if Kratos is all over him? He can't perform 100 of them, one at a time. What is gameplay? If your talking about Royal Guard, it's canon. Repel Shield is also gameplay. I don't have a vid(and I would have to go thru alot to see if they did do it), but if you play DMC3, you will see. ONLY LIGHT CAN HARM IT. Prove Kain's abilities will work. Lighting won't work(already tried it). Too bad after he asorbs Raziel isn't allowed(even if he did, most of them--the reavers--could be countered).

Originally posted by Gumachi
In mission 11, I think. If your talking about the QS scene, he left, and that's when the stones dropped. Too bad it won't effect him, besides, he has to perform a gesture...which, Dante is too fast. Besides, how can he perform these spells if Kratos is all over him? He can't perform 100 of them, one at a time. What is gameplay? If your talking about Royal Guard, it's canon. Repel Shield is also gameplay. I don't have a vid(and I would have to go thru alot to see if they did do it), but if you play DMC3, you will see. ONLY LIGHT CAN HARM IT. Prove Kain's abilities will work. Lighting won't work(already tried it). Too bad after he asorbs Raziel isn't allowed(even if he did, most of them--the reavers--could be countered).

Thats only when a tiny orb "drains" his soul slowly while giving him tonnes of extra power, Kain wont be giving him any power, nor will Kain be draining, he will outright rip Dantes soul. Exactley, so hes not even shown to be able to keep QS up for long at all. Kratos? all over Kain? dont make me laugh, Kain could be miles away from Kratos through mists and teleports, kratos will not get close at all. Royal guard blocking everything is a gameplay mechanic based on timed button presses from a player, the actual move itself is actually just a simple block. Prove what will work? Kain has illumination, as you said, light kills doppleganer, simple. So? Doppleganger wasnt allowed either but now your using it.

I'm not talking about an orb. Yeah, he has to target Dante. And Dante is like a boss character. One shot kills don't work on Dante(and Dark Magic). That means nonething, man. The rocks fell because he LEFT(unlimited inner power), what would be the point in having time still slowed(tossing around gameplay mechanics...again)? Great, so Kain's running? Yeah, like he can attacl from afar. It's used by "other" characters, so it's canon. Repel Shield is also gameplay mechanic. He doesn't have Raziel's power, because it's incarnation BEFORE he ASORBS Raziel. I mean, Dante destroys Kain like he did Chaos Chaos Incarnate, Kain is gone. He will just trick him like he did Argosax.

Originally posted by Gumachi
I'm not talking about an orb. Yeah, he has to target Dante. And Dante is like a boss character. One shot kills don't work on Dante(and Dark Magic). That means nonething, man. The rocks fell because he LEFT(unlimited inner power), what would be the point in having time still slowed(tossing around gameplay mechanics...again)? Great, so Kain's running? Yeah, like he can attacl from afar. It's used by "other" characters, so it's canon. Repel Shield is also gameplay mechanic. He doesn't have Raziel's power, because it's incarnation BEFORE he ASORBS Raziel. I mean, Dante destroys Kain like he did Chaos Chaos Incarnate, Kain is gone. He will just trick him like he did Argosax.

Then what? show me him having his soul sucked, you prob dont have anything for it. Boss character, why are you talking about Gameplay mechanics?. It means everything, it means theres no evidence to suggest he can freeze time at all for anything living, and furthermore can freeze time for longer than he held up the rocks, it doesnt mean shit that they dropped just because he left. lmao, first Kain has not been shown to be that stupid, he would wipe the floor with dante with any number of his spells.

http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_Eater I never said he had his soul sucked(which Nevan does, and he can resist). Health bars, etc. Are gameplay mechanics. Whatever it is Repel Shield is gameplay, but RG is canon. Prove it means everything. Why would he keep time frozen, dumbass? Besides, he left anyway. Which is why I said "trick", he doesn't know that a handgun is. Dante stops time and chops his head off. Half of the wouldn't work, and stop ignoring facts, dude. He has to PERFORM GESTURES. Which won't happen because of Dante's speed. Besides, Kratos can just distract him, while Dante is attacking, er some shit.