Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As we all know Juggernaut is especially vulnerable to mystical forces, and we all know that Thor is an incredibly powerful mystical based character.Seemed on the up and up to me.
Yeah i know that. But the exact scenerio you were refering to, was that PIS or can we just post scan and end debate here (hulk being the weak link by a long mile - and a pretty much non combatant here)..
is all im asking.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Yeah i know that. But the exact scenerio you were refering to, was that PIS or can we just post scan and end debate here (hulk being the weak link by a long mile - and a pretty much non combatant here)..is all im asking.
Whether or not it's PIS?
I don't think it was.
Is that what you wanted to know?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team two wins.Thor's already shown, he can negate Juggernaut's invulnerability.
No he hasn't. THe one you are talking about is PIS as his invulnerability is not tied into his FF. They fought three times, one after that incident so why didn't Thor just try to do that again? Mind you the one you're talking about is when Cain was written as a mutant.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No he hasn't. THe one you are talking about is PIS as his invulnerability is not tied into his FF. They fought three times, one after that incident so why didn't Thor just try to do that again? Mind you the one you're talking about is when Cain was written as a mutant.
How is it PIS, he negated his invulnerability?
Juggernaut was invulnerable without his Force Field in that arc before his Force Field mentioned.
In the incident after that, Juggernaut was in his 8th Day incarnation.
The usual methods wouldn't apply and Thor was probably to surprised by the increase in power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe 8th day version was more powerful and we do dismiss that altogether. We don't consider King Thor showings for Thor so we don't consider 8th day showings for Juggernaut.
How is it PIS, he negated his invulnerability?Juggernaut was invulnerable without his Force Field in that arc before his Force Field mentioned.
In the incident after that, Juggernaut was in his 8th Day incarnation.
The usual methods wouldn't apply and Thor was probably to surprised by the increase in power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The 8th day version as more powerful and we do dismiss that altogether. We don't consider King Thor showings for Thor so we don't consider 8th day showings for Juggernaut.
Regardless of 8th day or not Cain doesn't need his FF for Mjolnir. In the issues where he used it against him his ff was tied to his invulnerability and he was written as a mutant. 8th day is the only one where he was written well
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixYou can't pick and choose which showings to use. You are trying to select based on your bias which showings count and to completely disregard the showing you disagree with. Juggs was amped so it's a no go here.
Regardless of 8th day or not Cain doesn't need his FF for Mjolnir. In the issues where he used it against him his ff was tied to his invulnerability and he was written as a mutant. 8th day is the only one where he was written well
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Regardless of 8th day or not Cain doesn't need his FF for Mjolnir. In the issues where he used it against him his ff was tied to his invulnerability and he was written as a mutant. 8th day is the only one where he was written well
Juggernaut was a mystically empowered being in that story. He was clearly referenced as being power by Cytorrak, and Thor used a blast to confirm that he was a mystically enchanted being and his power derived from a mystic source.
Thor did not only cancel out his Force Field, he cancelled out his invulnerability. In that arc, Juggernaut was shown to be invulnerable to Thor's attacks, before his Force Field even came into play as I recall.
i agree that thor didnt only cancel juggernauts force field. however, he could only do it for so long before his attack would again be useless. why couldnt hulk attack him? and stop that theory all together???
as for 8th day juggernaut, i doubt he was amped in power at all. he didnt grow or shrink any... which is what he usually does. if he loses power he becomes smaller. if he gains power, he grows *trion juggernaut*. the only real difference was his state of mind. he was kinda not even in the fight.
either way, team with juggernaut wins. thor and brb cannot take him down more or less off balance him for a minute at a time while they get pummeled sensless in between 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't pick and choose which showings to use. You are trying to select based on your bias which showings count and to completely disregard the showing you disagree with. Juggs was amped so it's a no go here.
Bias? He was written as a mutant in the other two and his FF was written as the source of his invulnerability. Thats wrong, plain and simple. There is no picking and choosing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut was a mystically empowered being in that story. He was clearly referenced as being power by Cytorrak, and Thor used a blast to confirm that he was a mystically enchanted being and his power derived from a mystic source.Thor did not only cancel out his Force Field, he cancelled out his invulnerability. In that arc, Juggernaut was shown to be invulnerable to Thor's attacks, before his Force Field even came into play as I recall.
No Cain lost his FF and was getting hurt by Thor's fists and his helmet shattered because he lost his powers and mystical enchantment. In no way was that a full powered Cain, if thats the case then Thor is physically stronger than WWH.