Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Thor knew how long he had and he still couldn't drop the Juggernaut despite "negating" his FF/Invulnerability enchantment.Cains soul is bonded to the gem. There will be no stealing it.
He negated his invulnerability to conventional harm, but Juggernaut was still far from vulnerable. He still had some Class 100 plus attributes, and Thor still almost dropped him in 3 hits. He was about to lay him out, when his hammer returned.
Without the hammer limitations, Thor would have dropped him. I'm assuming he doesn't have such limitations here.
So, Cain has shown resistance/immunity, to having his soul/life force stolen drained? Or is this speculation?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He negated his invulnerability to conventional harm, but Juggernaut was still far from vulnerable. He still had some Class 100 plus attributes, and Thor still almost dropped him in 3 hits. He was about to lay him out, when his hammer returned.Without the hammer limitations, Thor would have dropped him. I'm assuming he doesn't have such limitations here.
He negated his FF as stated by the writer. This would be an example of what PIS really is, Rage. We all know his FF isn't the source of his invulnerability.
So, Cain has shown resistance/immunity, to having his soul/life force stolen drained? Or is this speculation?
His soul belongs to Cyttorak. You think Thor has the power to take Cains soul from Cyttorak?
He doesn't.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He negated his FF as stated by the writer. This would be an example of what PIS really is, Rage. We all know his FF isn't the source of his invulnerability.
As I recall, it was clearly stated that Thor not only removed his Force Field that made him untouchable, but his invulnerability as well. He was shown to be invulnerable despite the Force Field in the same arc.
I don't see the problem here.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
His soul belongs to Cyttorak. You think Thor has the power to take Cains soul from Cyttorak?He doesn't.
It can still belong to Cytorrak, but it won't be in Cain's body anymore. Mjolnir was powerful enough to cancel out his enchantment. Just saying.....
Juggernaut only has a portion of Cytorrak's power.
This is a stupid fight, Juggernaut gives team 1 the 10/10 win. Even though Jugs had the one low showing against Thor, his other showings after that presents him as being able to out right shit stomp thor without bfr.
I love thor and especially brb but they're losing this. Team 1 is basically the ultimate team, two of the unstoppables.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As I recall, it was clearly stated that Thor not only removed his Force Field that made him untouchable, but his invulnerability as well. He was shown to be invulnerable despite the Force Field in the same arc.I don't see the problem here.
It's apparent you didn't read the comic in question. It states quite clearly that he negated the FF. The writer makes that point even clearer when the 60 seconds is up and we visually see Juggernauts FF reactivate.
Also, people blow this showing way out of proportion. Thor was no where near defeating Juggernaut. Right before the 60 seconds is up Juggernaut is still standing there mocking Thor. Juggernaut still drops Thor with one punch after Thor negates his FF.
The reason why we've never seen Thor do this again is probably because of ridiculous it was. The writers don't want to go near it.
It can still belong to Cytorrak, but it won't be in Cain's body anymore. Mjolnir was powerful enough to cancel out his enchantment. Just saying.....Juggernaut only has a portion of Cytorrak's power.
What do you think this is going to accomplish anyway?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It's apparent you didn't read the comic in question. It states quite clearly that he negated the FF. The writer makes that point even clearer when the 60 seconds is up and we visually see Juggernauts FF reactivate.
Actually I have the comic right here. It was stated that his Force Field was negated, and then it was stated, his invulnerability was negated. The statement about his Force Field being negated, was even separate from the statement about his invulnerability being negated. His Force Field came up when the hammer came back, because that was one of the enchantments it negated.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Also, people blow this showing way out of proportion. Thor was no where near defeating Juggernaut. Right before the 60 seconds is up Juggernaut is still standing there mocking Thor. Juggernaut still drops Thor with one punch after Thor negates his FF.
Juggernaut still retained his own immense strength as shown. That's why he was able to knock Thor back.
We see Juggernaut supporting himself up on a wall, holding his head in pain, and they even draw stars over Juggernaut's head. Thor was about to finish him off, when the hammer returned.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The reason why we've never seen Thor do this again is probably because of ridiculous it was. The writers don't want to go near it.
His only fought Juggernaut one more time after that, and that was him at his 8th Day levels.....
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What do you think this is going to accomplish anyway?
If it works, ummm defeating him....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually I have the comic right here. It was stated that his Force Field was negated, and then it was stated, his invulnerability was negated. The statement about his Force Field being negated, was even separate from the statement about his invulnerability being negated. His Force Field came up when the hammer came back, because that was one of the enchantments it negated.
Goodness. Thor says he negated the FF, Cain follows by saying that Thor took away his invulnerability implying that the FF was the source of it. It's quite clear considering when the 60 seconds is up the only difference is his FF is back up.
Juggernaut still retained his own immense strength as shown. That's why he was able to knock Thor back.We see Juggernaut supporting himself up on a wall, holding his head in pain, and they even draw stars over Juggernaut's head. Thor was about to finish him off, when the hammer returned.
That's what you got from those panels? I see that, despite Thors best efforts, he's no match for Juggernaut physically.
His only fought Juggernaut one more time after that, and that was him at his 8th Day levels.....
And?
If it works, ummm defeating him....
How?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Goodness. Thor says he negated the FF, Cain follows by saying that Thor took away his invulnerability implying that the FF was the source of it. It's quite clear considering when the 60 seconds is up the only difference is his FF is back up.
Maybe that's the way, you see it. Thor says he negated his Force Field. Then in a separate statement, Cain says he took away his invulnerability. In that arc, it was shown that Cain is invulnerable without his Force Field as I recall. The Force Field is not the only difference, it's just the only difference we can see physically.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That's what you got from those panels? I see that, despite Thors best efforts, he's no match for Juggernaut physically.
No match for Juggernaut physically?
That's just plain and pure biased. How you can get that from those scans is beyond me.
Cain, drops Thor with a hit on his head. Thor is unharmed, gets back up, starts whaling on Cain, and when Thor is about to deliver the finishing blow, the hammer returns.
Yes. Definitely no match....
Just pure biased, right there.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
And?
You said, that we never saw Thor to this again because it was ridiculous. My point was that they only fought one more time after that, and even that fight got interrupted before it got too serious.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
How?
Like I said, if it works, he could win, by stealing Cain's soul/life force.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe that's the way, you see it. Thor says he negated his Force Field. Then in a separate statement, Cain says he took away his invulnerability. In that arc, it was shown that Cain is invulnerable without his Force Field as I recall. The Force Field is not the only difference, it's just the only difference we can see physically.
Now you're just being difficult. It was obvious the writer intended to demonstrate that the FF was the source of Juggernauts invulnerability
No match for Juggernaut physically?That's just plain and pure biased. How you can get that from those scans is beyond me.
Cain, drops Thor with a hit on his head. Thor is unharmed, gets back up, starts whaling on Cain, and when Thor is about to deliver the finishing blow, the hammer returns.
Yes. Definitely no match....
Just pure biased, right there.
Nothing there to suggest otherwise. Yeah, Juggernaut was dazed, but he's still standing and even mocking Thor. I don't see any indication that Juggernaut was one hit away from being KO'ed/
You said, that we never saw Thor to this again because it was ridiculous. My point was that they only fought one more time after that, and even that fight got interrupted before it got too serious.
Ok, why didn't he do it the first time they met? He uses his most powerful lightning attack then drops the GF blast on him. Why waste the time when he could've just negated his FF/invulnerability?
Like I said, if it works, he could win, by stealing Cain's soul/life force.
Again I ask, what exactly do you think this is going to do to the Juggernaut?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Now you're just being difficult. It was obvious the writer intended to demonstrate that the FF was the source of Juggernauts invulnerability
According to you. From what I read, he was trying to show that Thor negated his Force Field "and" invulnerability. Didn't that same writer show that Juggernaut is invulnerable without his Force Field, in the arc leading up to that issue?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Nothing there to suggest otherwise. Yeah, Juggernaut was dazed, but he's still standing and even mocking Thor. I don't see any indication that Juggernaut was one hit away from being KO'ed/
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There is nothing to suggest, that Thor is a match for Juggernaut physically?
Are you joking me with this statement?
He was supporting himself on the pillar, holding his head in his hand, dazed. He couldn't even stand straight. Thor was done playing around and was about to knock him out.
What am I basing it on?
What did you call it again? "Writer's intention".
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Ok, why didn't he do it the first time they met? He uses his most powerful lightning attack then drops the GF blast on him. Why waste the time when he could've just negated his FF/invulnerability?
Because in their first encounter Thor was as weak as my Grandma. He could barely stop flying carts. Venom could have probably taken him at that time. Not even Thor would think clearly under those conditions.
He drops a lighting attack on him to no effect. Then tries to God Blast him. That was the only time he even puts up something similar to a defense against Juggernaut in their first fight.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Again I ask, what exactly do you think this is going to do to the Juggernaut?
Defeat him.....
