Juggernaut&WW Hulk vs Thor&Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
According to you. From what I read, he was trying to show that Thor negated his Force Field "and" invulnerability. Didn't that same writer show that Juggernaut is invulnerable without his Force Field, in the arc leading up to that issue?

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actually i think they reference juggernauts force field and thors hammer several times together. juggernauts force field is what stops it, keeps him protected etc, etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

There is nothing to suggest, that Thor is a match for Juggernaut physically?

Are you joking me with this statement?

He was supporting himself on the pillar, holding his head in his hand, dazed. He couldn't even stand straight. Thor was done playing around and was about to knock him out.

What am I basing it on?

What did you call it again? "Writer's intention".

without negating his magics, he is no match for juggernaut. the writer of the next fight (8th day) even takes care to note that juggernaut isnt using his force field. who is to say that juggernaut wasnt using HIS power in the 8th day arc? you keep saying he was amped and he agrees. well what if FOCUS or ANGER was what was making him "that way" in the 8th day/thor story. i dont personally believe he was amped at all. thor in all fights has teleported juggernaut from the arena to win. except in 8th day, where somebody else teleported him out. even when thor was "winning", he teleported him promptly after juggernaut healed. you keep saying thor was going to finish juggernaut off also and he was seeing "stars", but its a burden of proof you have to provide that thor could have actually did it. because he has NEVER done it before and juggernaut on panel has never physically been knocked out. so its safe to say that it wouldnt have happened.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Because in their first encounter Thor was as weak as my Grandma. He could barely stop flying carts. Venom could have probably taken him at that time. Not even Thor would think clearly under those conditions.

He drops a lighting attack on him to no effect. Then tries to God Blast him. That was the only time he even puts up something similar to a defense against Juggernaut in their first fight.

Defeat him.....

you stated that thor was weak in the fight with the godblast. therefor making it a weak godblast that he used. but since you have the issue, scan over it again. when thor wakes up from being unconscious he stated that the sickness "flees my limbs". he used a full force godblast on juggernaut.

Originally posted by KillAll
actually i think they reference juggernauts force field and thors hammer several times together. juggernauts force field is what stops it, keeps him protected etc, etc.

Doesn’t change the fact, that the Force Field and Juggernaut’s invulnerability were stated to be negated separately which should tell us something, and Juggernaut was shown to be invulnerable in that same arc, by the same writer, without his Force Field.

Originally posted by KillAll
without negating his magics, he is no match for juggernaut. the writer of the next fight (8th day) even takes care to note that juggernaut isnt using his force field. who is to say that juggernaut wasnt using HIS power in the 8th day arc? you keep saying he was amped and he agrees. well what if FOCUS or ANGER was what was making him "that way" in the 8th day/thor story. i dont personally believe he was amped at all. thor in all fights has teleported juggernaut from the arena to win. except in 8th day, where somebody else teleported him out. even when thor was "winning", he teleported him promptly after juggernaut healed.

Without negating his magic he is no match for Juggernaut? That’s why he was able to hold his own and go blow for blow with him even without negating his magic right. How can you possibly say that Thor is no match for Classic Juggernaut? Power houses such as Thor, and Hulk are both challenges for Juggernaut and can match him as shown.

Why are you using 8th Day Juggernaut as an example? He was clearly much stronger on 8th Day. He even admits that something was making him that way, making him more powerful than ever before. It was stated that his power was magnified a hundred fold as I recall. The Force Field just makes him untouchable. His already invulnerable without his Force Field.

Focus and anger weren’t making him that way. Something else was making him that way, that something else being his master.

In you’re opinion during the 8th Day story line, Juggernaut wasn’t amped?

Do you have trouble reading?

It was clearly stated on panel he was amped way beyond his normal level of power. He even agrees. On panel. What more proof do you need, that Juggernaut was amped? With statements like these, I feel like simply agreeing to disagree, as at this point its denial.

So what if Thor resorts to battle field removal to win? Why does that matter? It’s not his only option as we’ve seen, but it’s certainly the easiest method. He could do it from the start, but plot doesn’t allow that.

Originally posted by KillAll
you keep saying thor was going to finish juggernaut off also and he was seeing "stars", but its a burden of proof you have to provide that thor could have actually did it. because he has NEVER done it before and juggernaut on panel has never physically been knocked out. so its safe to say that it wouldnt have happened.

Dude its right there in the comic. The writer even draws stars above Juggernaut’s head, when he was supporting himself on the pillar, and holding his head in his arms. Of course Thor could have actually done it. He was about to knock him out, as I believe it was stated, but his hammer returned just at the last second.

Thor’s never done it before, because his never had the opportunity to do it before. In the fight before that, he was weakened, and the fight after that Juggernaut was amped incredibly and it was interrupted. Just because he has never done it before, doesn’t mean he can’t….

Didn’t Onslaught lay Juggernaut out? I don’t remember for certain….

Originally posted by KillAll
you stated that thor was weak in the fight with the godblast. therefor making it a weak godblast that he used. but since you have the issue, scan over it again. when thor wakes up from being unconscious he stated that the sickness "flees my limbs". he used a full force godblast on juggernaut.

I’ll give you that one. I missed that part, even though I read the exact same panel over a dozen times. Well, it was 4:30 am. I get sloppy and my memory gets hazy at those types of hours. My bad.

Still, right after, Thor commented on the fact that strength was returning to him (He was actually able to stand up straight at this point.) he refers to his weakened state. He got a bit better, but that’s it. The God Blast wasn’t even at its regular levels much less at full power. Let’s say, Thor was a 100 percent when did the God Blast, for argument’s sake, it still wasn’t the God Blast at its most powerful. Check out his fight with the Celestials. Even when reinforced with the belt of strength, Mjolnir still shattered trying to channel Thor’s godly energies. The same Mjolnir, that’s contained energy enough to destroy galaxies, without so much as crumbling. The God Blast obviously varies depending on how much of his own godly energies Thor channels, and like I said, Thor was weakened when he released his God Blast.