Originally posted by Allankles
The Monitors are fundamental beings, the authors of existence with the multiverse resulting as a "flaw" within the primal monitor, this flaw caused an infection called 'story' and from then the Monitors were forever transformed developing individual unique forms (the 52 Monitors).That I have to explain this to people arguing for Scathan is ridiculous.
Whatever happened to Primal Monitor again? Primal Monitor seemed LT level.
Originally posted by cloud102
Whatever happened to Primal Monitor again? Primal Monitor seemed LT level.
He seals up the multiverse and his presence remains surrounding all existence.
The comic just describes him as vast and unknowable and his descendants are the Monitors. We also know that Novu (Mandrakk) was the part of the Primal Monitor that felt contaminated by story.
We also know that the infinite Ovoid is his mind (what surrounds the Monitor world) and is separated from the Multiverse by the Source wall, which is breached during FC.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe seals up the multiverse and his presence remains surrounding all existence.
The comic just describes him as vast and unknowable and his descendants are the Monitors. We also know that Novu (Mandrakk) was the part of the Primal Monitor that felt contaminated by story.
We also know that the infinite Ovoid is his mind (what surrounds the Monitor world) and is separated from the Multiverse by the Source wall, which is breached during FC.
Damn, i love Douge's work. What level do you see the Primal Monitor on?
Originally posted by AllanklesYikes Mr Master,
at least know a little something about the character you're debating against.
Ridiculous!
Originally posted by AllanklesMandrakk was the embodiment of a self-assembling hyper story.
Originally posted by AllanklesHis attacks were based on big-bad-villain archtypes e.g. using the heat from all the suns in the universe as an attack etc etc.
Don't make me bring out She-Hulk on that ass. 😛
Originally posted by Mr Master
If it involves flirting with the fourth wall,
it's crap imo,
this "eating story" nonsense falls under that category imo,
because it jumps out of conventional fictional writing
and pins some drawing (Mandrakk) eating the story
that the very same drawing (Mandrakk) is on. 😂Ridiculous!
Which basically = to crap.
Ok, cool, this sounds more like a traditional in-comic fictional based scenario,
rather than, "he eats the story so he wins" ... which is some comedic dumb shitDon't make me bring out She-Hulk on that ass. 😛
She-Hulk eats story?
Originally posted by cloud102She-Hulk eats story?
She-Hulk controls the people making up the stories, (equally stupid)
so basically, no matter what Mandrakk was according to some writer,
She-Hulk can alter that by simply choking said writer into submitting to her demands.
Because hey,
She-Hulk can take the page she's on
and rip the panels/colors and text from said page,
crumble it, trash it, and burn it for the win.
So, Mandrakk "eats story" ... while She-Hulk "controls story" ... dur
... and as the saying goes ... "if you control a thing, you can destroy a thing."
Originally posted by Mr Master
No ...She-Hulk controls the people making up the stories, (equally stupid)
so basically, no matter what Mandrakk was according to some writer,
She-Hulk can alter that by simply choking said writer into submitting to her demands.Because hey,
She-Hulk can take the page she's on
and rip the panels/colors and text from said page,
crumble it, trash it, and burn it for the win.So, Mandrakk "eats story" ... while She-Hulk "controls story" ... dur
... and as the saying goes ... "if you control a thing, you can destroy a thing."
Dayum! She-Hulk > Scathan & LT!
Originally posted by Mr Master
No ...She-Hulk controls the people making up the stories, (equally stupid)
so basically, no matter what Mandrakk was according to some writer,
She-Hulk can alter that by simply choking said writer into submitting to her demands.Because hey,
She-Hulk can take the page she's on
and rip the panels/colors and text from said page,
crumble it, trash it, and burn it for the win.So, Mandrakk "eats story" ... while She-Hulk "controls story" ... dur
... and as the saying goes ... "if you control a thing, you can destroy a thing."
Mr. Master and the She-Hulk argument again. Last I checked gamma irradiated bickini models don't feed on story for sustenance, neither is 4th wall interference on a personal story via editor avatars part of a powerset.
Monitor's are vampire gods that draw sustenance from the narratives that shape creation, that is simply who they are, you may not like it but that's the way it is.
Very different from She Hulk-Loboesque 4th wall antics, those incidents aren't part of the essentials of the characters, they are both bricks.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNo, Mandrakk wasn't actually. The hotu was undefeatable on panel while Mandrakk wasn't. Mandrak also doesn't have the on panel feats to defeat even Eternity imo.
Considering what Mandrakk is.......pretty much anyone short of TOAA/The Presence is going to lose.The original Monitor is basically the Presence. The 52 monitors are different aspects of him that he created to study the multiverse. They were changed by the nature of the stories. Dax Novu believed it was contaminating them and corrupting them. As a result, the Monitor's belief turned him into a monster that fed on the story of the multiverse. Mandrakk the Dark Monitor. And as he was beyond the monitors and part of GOD, he was unstoppable by any lesser being. The armor that Superman used to stop him was created by Dax Novu himself before his fall.
Mandrakk was a god beyond even the likes of HOTU.
Originally posted by AllanklesYou keep statin the same things over and over again. Mxy has gone outside the comic as has she hulk but that doesn't mean they defeat the Lt.
Yikes Mr Master, at least know a little something about the character you're debating against.Mandrakk was the embodiment of a self-assembling hyper story.
His attacks were based on big-bad-villain archtypes e.g. using the heat from all the suns in the universe as an attack etc etc.
Mandrakk was in the comic and was defeatable inside the comic. She Hulk was more powerful as was Mxy in that regard to your logic and reasoning.
Originally posted by AllanklesShe doesn't have to feed on the story. That sounds like a weakness to me. She Hulk can leave the comic and tear it up which is something Mandrakk cannot do. Even on this sort of weird logic you seem to argue you still lose and to the likes of she hulk.
Mr. Master and the She-Hulk argument again. Last I checked gamma irradiated bickini models don't feed on story for sustenance, neither is 4th wall interference on a personal story via editor avatars part of a powerset.Monitor's are vampire gods that draw sustenance from the narratives that shape creation, that is simply who they are, you may not like it but that's the way it is.
Very different from She Hulk-Loboesque 4th wall antics, those incidents aren't part of the essentials of the characters, they are both bricks.
Originally posted by cloud102Not really. He is throwing his same rationale back in his face.
Dayum! She-Hulk > Scathan & LT!
Originally posted by Naija boy
In regards to silliness, its right up there with takion being an "avatar of the ultimate concept" and having no need for feats or Mxy defeating LT by ripping him off the page.
What the...? I thought our argument over Takion was over?
And I already told you he has feats, on panel evidence he can control any force (speed force, quantum field, will power spectrum energy) anything with the exception of non universal powers like Supes solar absorption.
So Qwardian energy, Fire Storm Matrix all is fair game. I showed you scans and gave you issue no.s I can't beleive you're still talking about that.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, the only thing that is fair game is what he has actually done. Takion has done nothing even close to Iman as the Source's agents level and he wasn't mightier than Gog from jsa imo but more or less a peer.
What the...? I thought our argument over Takion was over?And I already told you he has feats, on panel evidence he can control any force (speed force, quantum field, will power spectrum energy) anything with the exception of non universal powers like Supes solar absorption.
So Qwardian energy, Fire Storm Matrix all is fair game. I showed you scans and gave you issue no.s I can't beleive you're still talking about that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She Hulk can leave the comic and tear it up which is something Mandrakk cannot do.
Tearing up the comic is irrelevant when we're talking fictional characters. It's not part of her powerset to do that, having 4th wall antics doesn't mean it's an essential part of her character.
It doesn't change the fact that she's a brick without any reality hoppin powers.
Mxy is a little different because it is part of his powerset to reality hop, but again he doesn't embody or feed on narrative.
I mean did you actually read Superman Beyond?
The Monitors were part of the Supreme Being and were infected by the stories of the multiverse, a multiverse which grew from inside the Primal Monitor.
This thing called story, changed the essential nature of their being, turning them into the individual vampire gods they are now.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the only thing that is fair game is what he has actually done. Takion has done nothing even close to Iman as the Source's agents level and he wasn't mightier than Gog from jsa imo but more or less a peer.
It's already been confirmed that he can control universal forces. Search for Takion vs In Betweener, I posted the scans and issue numbers on that thread.
You'll be wasting your time if your argument is that Takion can't control universal forces given that he's controlled the ones I have listed, not to mention his creator confirming his abilities in the same comic.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, it isn't. It happened in the comic so according to your rationale She Hulk and Mxy can easily jump outside the story for the easy win.
Tearing up the comic is irrelevant when we're talking fictional characters. It's not part of her powerset to do that, having 4th wall antics doesn't mean it's an essential part of her character.It doesn't change the fact that she's a brick without any reality hoppin powers.
Mxy is a little different because it is part of his powerset to reality hop, but again he doesn't embody or feed on narrative.
I mean did you actually read Superman Beyond?
The Monitors were part of the Supreme Being and were infected by the stories of the multiverse, a multiverse which grew from inside the Primal Monitor.
This thing called story, changed the essential nature of their being, turning them into the individual vampire gods they are now.
Mandrakk cannot. It's really simple based on what these characters have actually done.