Originally posted by quanchi112
Takion still is nowhere near as powerful as the Iman as the source's agent or Mxy, etc. He is like a Surfer character that you are massively overrating.
What does IM have to do with anything? That was a poor Starlin story and IM was given special power by the Source itself to be able to kill Takion.
That had nothing to do with IM but the Source, you know... the thing that makes Takion Takion. You're really using a poor example here, of course there aren't any other examples.
Originally posted by AllanklesIt's still canon and shows what the Source is capable to at a much higher level than anything that Takion has mustered.
What does IM have to do with anything? That was a poor Starlin story and IM was given special power by the Source itself to be able to kill Takion.That had nothing to do with IM but the Source, you know... the thing that makes Takion Takion. You're really using a poor example here, of course there aren't any other examples.
Im clearly showed far more power than anything Takion has ever shown.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's still canon and shows what the Source is capable to at a much higher level than anything that Takion has mustered.Im clearly showed far more power than anything Takion has ever shown.
RETCONNED! Starlin's bogus version of the new gods is irrelevant. Morrison laid the hammer down on it.
Also, you're gonna compare the Source cutting off Takion's power and overpowering him, as a low showing? 😬 That's called outside interference/amp.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestWhen did Morrison retcon this?
RETCONNED! Starlin's bogus version of the new gods is irrelevant. Morrison laid the hammer down on it.Also, you're gonna compare the Source cutting off Takion's power and overpowering him, as a low showing? 😬 That's called outside interference/amp.
The point is Takion has only done thing similar to a silver surfer type character. He has no impressive feats to suggest he can even defeat the Surfer imo.
NRAMA: And so you were left with a handful of continuity issues as result - – why didn’t the Guardians call a 1011 when all the other New Gods died? Why didn’t Superman recount his experiences in Death of the New Gods when he was talking about the New Gods to the JLA? How did the villains capture J’onn? Obviously, if you dealt in all the minutia of every storyline since Identity Crisis or earlier, you’d go nuts – so what was your personal line in the sand that you used in writing Final Crisis in regards to what “mattered” and what didn’t?
GM: What mattered to me was what had already been written, drawn or plotted in Final Crisis. The Guardians didn’t call 1011 when Lightray and the other gods died in Countdown because, again, Final Crisis was already underway before Countdown came out.
Why didn’t Superman recount his experiences from DOTNG ? Because those experiences hadn’t been thought up or written when I completed Final Crisis #1. If there was only me involved, Orion would have been the first dead New God we saw in a DC comic, starting off the chain of events that we see in Final Crisis. As it is, the best I can do is suggest that the somewhat contradictory depictions of Orion and Darkseid’s last-last-last battle that we witnessed in Countdown and DOTNG recently were apocryphal attempts to describe an indescribable cosmic event.
http://newsarama.com/comics/080609-MorrisonFC01.html
Basically, DOTNG did happen, but not as we perceived it. And not at the hands of the Source powered IM or the Anti-life entity. Both of which were retconned, and thus the entire premise of the story is void.
The Source is an ultimate concept and cannot be divided. Thereby retconning the entire premise of Starlin's vision of DOTNG.
Excuse me? 🤨 FC was being written FIRST. The problems in continuity are because Didio and Starlin didn't listen to Grant's requests. Starlin was the one who wanted to do a new gods story despite Grant specifically requesting that they not touch them in preparation for FC.
There is only a continuity problem if you insist on using DOTNG or Countdown. DOTNG was garbage, as was countdown.
Also: this is the 5th time I've had to correct you about DOTNG being retconned.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestDidio is the moron who runs dc. It's his fault. Starlin did an excellent job on death of the new gods. I think that series was much better than fc.
Excuse me? 🤨 FC was being written FIRST. The problems in continuity are because Didio and Starlin didn't listen to Grant's requests. Starlin was the one who wanted to do a new gods story despite Grant specifically requesting that they not touch them in preparation for FC.There is only a continuity problem if you insist on using DOTNG or Countdown. DOTNG was garbage, as was countdown.
Also: this is the 5th time I've had to correct you about DOTNG being retconned.
It wasn't retconned. It still happened and morrison even admits it. It was bad timing and the dc readers really suffered because of it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Didio is the moron who runs dc. It's his fault. Starlin did an excellent job on death of the new gods. I think that series was much better than fc.It wasn't retconned. It still happened and morrison even admits it. It was bad timing and the dc readers really suffered because of it.
Quan you act like this is the first time someone has shown you this stuff 😂 . It still happened but everything that did happen was retconned into what Superman and the reader could only comprehend. DONG and FC was both good and showed DS was a beast. Mandrakk and Darkseid (nearly dead) fighting Superman and both nearly took control of life/multiverse and had there own ways of going about it.
Originally posted by kevdudeYes I have seen it, but nothing was retconned. That's the point.
Quan you act like this is the first time someone has shown you this stuff 😂 . It still happened but everything that did happen was retconned into what Superman and the reader could only comprehend. DONG and FC was both good and showed DS was a beast. Mandrakk and Darkseid (nearly dead) fighting Superman and both nearly took control of life/multiverse and had there own ways of going about it.
