Scathan vs. Mandrakk

Originally posted by Allankles
It's already been confirmed that he can control universal forces. Search for Takion vs In Betweener, I posted the scans and issue numbers on that thread.

You'll be wasting your time if your argument is that Takion can't control universal forces given that he's controlled the ones I have listed, not to mention his creator confirming his abilities in the same comic.

What has he done that proves he is above the Surfer's level?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Considering what Mandrakk is.......pretty much anyone short of TOAA/The Presence is going to lose.

The original Monitor is basically the Presence. The 52 monitors are different aspects of him that he created to study the multiverse. They were changed by the nature of the stories. Dax Novu believed it was contaminating them and corrupting them. As a result, the Monitor's belief turned him into a monster that fed on the story of the multiverse. Mandrakk the Dark Monitor. And as he was beyond the monitors and part of GOD, he was unstoppable by any lesser being. The armor that Superman used to stop him was created by Dax Novu himself before his fall.

Mandrakk was a god beyond even the likes of HOTU.

Did you just imply Mandrakk would be beyond the HOTU. Nothing Mandrakk did on panel was even close to what Thanos did with the HOTU. Not only would the LT dispose of Mandrakk imo but at best they would stalemate. However, the HOTU wtf pwns mr. I got dealt with by superman and some GL's

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. It happened in the comic so according to your rationale She Hulk and Mxy can easily jump outside the story for the easy win.

Mandrakk cannot. It's really simple based on what these characters have actually done.

Everything in the comic is the narrative, there's no "outside" for these fictional characters and the Monitors don't jump "outside" they merely feed on the stories that make up the dc multiverse. Narrative is narrative.

edit: that's why I said reality hoping isn't part of she hulk's powerset within the confines of her fictional existence, she's a hulk. At least with Mxy it's perfectly within his 5 dimensional abilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So can the Surfer so I fail to see your point?

What has he done that proves he is above the Surfer's level?

So can the Surfer do what? The Surfer can manip the will power spectrum, the quantum field, the speed force? He can manip a power not tied to the PC? ( I hope you didn't mean the fantastic four)

The difference is Takion manips the essence of what makes all those powers come to be. Magic or otherwise, all those forces are from the Source.

EDIT: Again go to the Takion vs Inbetweener thread Inbetwweener might have been spelled with I-B or something of the sought. Either way you have enough for a search. I've been over this before, head to the relevant thread.

Originally posted by Allankles

Tearing up the comic is irrelevant when we're talking fictional characters. It's not part of her powerset to do that, having 4th wall antics doesn't mean it's an essential part of her character.

Classic She-Hulk during Byrne's 60 issue run was overwhelmed with 4th wall destruction.

And, it is actually part of She-Hulk's powerset
to know she's being watched by human beings, (basically she knows what she is & where she's at)
it's literally mentioned in her official Marvel Handbook 09' bio.

But that aside,
she's written more seriously now, but ...
if you wanna come with this "eating/feeding" on story whatever googoo,
then I'll just have Scathan re-create Byrne's She-Hulk and that will settle things. 😄

Originally posted by Allankles
Everything in the comic is the narrative, there's no "outside" for these fictional characters and the Monitors don't jump "outside" they merely feed on the stories that make up the dc multiverse. Narrative is narrative.

edit: that's why I said reality hoping isn't part of she hulk's powerset within the confines of her fictional existence, she's a hulk. At least with Mxy it's perfectly within his 5 dimensional abilities.

Yes, it is. She did it. It's like you want to ignore everything and continue to recite the eating story crap and when someone proves to you that she can jump out it you cry foul.

Originally posted by Allankles
So can the Surfer do what? The Surfer can manip the will power spectrum, the quantum field, the speed force? He can manip a power not tied to the PC? ( I hope you didn't mean the fantastic four)

The difference is Takion manips the essence of what makes all those powers come to be. Magic or otherwise, all those forces are from the Source.

EDIT: Again go to the Takion vs Inbetweener thread Inbetwweener might have been spelled with I-B or something of the sought. Either way you have enough for a search. I've been over this before, head to the relevant thread.

Takion still can't take down Imperiex, the Spectre, etc. You haven't proven he is the badass you claim him to be but more or less another Surfer type character.

I proved my points. I am done with it since you want to give it up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wrong.

Classic She-Hulk during Byrne's 60 issue run was overwhelmed with 4th wall destruction.

And, it is actually part of She-Hulk's powerset
to know she's being watched by human beings, (basically she knows what she is & where she's at)
it's literally mentioned in her official Marvel Handbook 09' bio.

But that aside,
she's written more seriously now, but ...
if you wanna come with this "eating/feeding" on story whatever googoo,
then I'll just have Scathan re-create Byrne's She-Hulk and that will settle things. 😄

I know from experience there's no winning this debate with you. But I know you know what I mean when I say it's not an essential part of her character. Otherwise Banner would be doing the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is from the dc universe. Takion cannot manipulate things from the marvel verse while the surfer cannot manipulate from the dc universe.

Takion still can't take down Imperiex, the Spectre, etc. You haven't proven he is the badass you claim him to be but more or less another Surfer type character.

I proved my points. I am done with it since you want to give it up.

Go to the thread. Everything down to the actual limits of his abilities are explained. The only thing holding back Takion's abilities is the degree of Sander's will.

EDIT: And as far as maniping Marvel forces that goes without saying, but in a vs setting if we choose to eliminate those restrictions it would be a perfectly viable outcome. Hence the IG vs (insert non Marvel foe) threads which i'm sure you've participated in.

Originally posted by Allankles
What the...? I thought our argument over Takion was over?

And I already told you he has feats, on panel evidence he can control any force (speed force, quantum field, will power spectrum energy) anything with the exception of non universal powers like Supes solar absorption.

So Qwardian energy, Fire Storm Matrix all is fair game. I showed you scans and gave you issue no.s I can't beleive you're still talking about that.

lolwut? U showed nothing that put him above trans level let alone abstract. U continuously misrepresented feats,left out context contradicted urself, and tried to be deliberately equivocal in order to twist the true purpose of the argument.

At best all u did was confirm his placement in the trans tier. If u think u somehow justified ur initial laughable claim........id advise u to try and see how many people u convinced he is abstract level. 🙂

Back on topic, Scathan FTW.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This eating story crap is making me LOL! too.

You see, Mandrakk's power is quite unquantifiable. He does in fact feed off the continuously evolving hyper-story of DC itself. Not only that, but he had also been feeding off the Bleed for an untold amount of time - almost killing the multiverse in the process. That's the level this guy operates at.

This is why it not only took a 'thought robot' capable of instantly adapting to combat any threat (inc. Mandrakk's "eternal power"😉:

But this 'thought robot' had to be powered/animated by a being who's conceptual story was more powerful than Mandrakk's. That's why it could only be Superman:

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I'd also like to add that along with simultaneously owning/feeding on Spectre and Radiant, Mandrakk also killed another Monitor with ease:

I feel that the above scan may be pertinent, because as you know, Monitors are capable of withstanding big bangs at ground zero, with no ill-effect - yet Mandrakk fried one effortlessly. *shrug*

Anyhow, that was in no way an argument meant to describe my feelings as to how Mandrakk might take this battle. I was just giving you some unbiased clarification, is all.

🙂

Originally posted by Naija boy
lolwut? U showed nothing that put him above trans level let alone abstract. U continuously misrepresented feats,left out context contradicted urself, and tried to be deliberately equivocal in order to twist the true purpose of the argument.

At best all u did was confirm his placement in the trans tier. If u think u somehow justified ur initial laughable claim........id advise u to try and see how many people u convinced he is abstract level. 🙂

Back on topic, Scathan FTW.

I gave you the relevant scans that confirmed he was abstract, I wasn't being equivocal. Of course if you deliberately chose not to check out the scans, a pointless circular argument ensues.

Originally posted by Galan007

Anyhow, that was in no way an argument meant to describe my feelings as to how Mandrakk might take this battle. I was just giving you some unbiased clarification, is all.

🙂

I'm pretty unbiased on this subject, I'm no fan of either participant here. *shrug*

Originally posted by Allankles
I gave you the relevant scans that confirmed he was abstract, I wasn't being equivocal. Of course if you deliberately chose not to check out the scans, a pointless circular argument ensues.

yawnyawn

At best all u did was confirm his placement in the trans tier. If u think u somehow justified ur initial laughable claim........id advise u to try and see how many people u convinced he is abstract level.
Here is a link to the tiers thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html. Knock urself out

Energy Muzzle ftw.

Originally posted by Allankles
Go to the thread. Everything down to the actual limits of his abilities are explained. The only thing holding back Takion's abilities is the degree of Sander's will.

EDIT: And as far as maniping Marvel forces that goes without saying, but in a vs setting if we choose to eliminate those restrictions it would be a perfectly viable outcome. Hence the IG vs (insert non Marvel foe) threads which i'm sure you've participated in.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂 😆 .... Yur a funny guy Eny, very cool. (I literally lol)

I finally discovered your real identity, Mr. M!

Ha. Betcha didn't know I knew, didja?

Scathan wins. Also, HOTU >> Mandrakk as well.

OMG! That's Bruce Allan Borchers!

Originally posted by cloud102
OMG! That's Bruce Allan Borchers!

...Wha?

No.

Originally posted by Enyalus
...Wha?

No.

I was kidding, but that guy seriously looks like him. A customer I once knew while working at a video store. He was hella creepy.