Ganondorf vs. Kain and Raziel With a Twist

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
BT, you're being silly, sir. Tanking sword attacks from Link pretty much makes Ganon invulnerable to Kain and Raziel physicly damaging him.

Yes, there is a mini cut-scene, and no, it's not light hearted amusement. The game is seriously themed, rated M does not equal mature, it just means swearing and boobs. OoT Was rated E, and yet maturely carried an excellent story. In the last temple, Ganon's castle, Link lifts and throws this stone with ease; a demonstration of raw, god-like strength, if anything.

EDIT: Infact, it was clearly intended as such, the camera pans out to show the full girth of the stone, which by the way IS granite, and IS too dark to be anything BUT Black granite. The stone easily weighs atleast 1300 tons, calling it a simple 1000+ is an act of mercy, and downrounding beyond reasonable.

Your claim of inconsistency is simple game play.

When did Ganondorf ever "tank" blows from the Master Sword? Every blow made him grunt and feel pain. Hell even the light arrows hurt him.

BT I think this is the tanking he was talking about but as you can see in the beginning Ganon is breathing heavily which indicates pain and struggle. Tell me what "tanking" you see.

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I guess that my definition of tanking is taking the hit and not dying. He feels pain because it's the Master Sword, and he is the embodiment of evil.

Edit after the initial edit I made on this poast: Right before he shows up in that video, there was a Boss fight where you used the Master Sword to bounce his magic back at him, and then struck him multiple times with the sword. Then a castle fell on him. I could argue that the Castle didn't actually hurt him at all and that all that is from the Master Sword.

I could also argue that the Castle did hurt him, but that would only be because of the Master Sword fight weaking him right before.

I don't think, I know, lol BT, lol. It'd break the game, but not the lore, canonicly Ganon is sometimes referred to as a god, he's even stronger than Link, and yes, Link's the one who does the slashing. Link really is that strong, and yes, his sword is invulnerable/unbreakable. Nintendo were not willing to break the game for a little realism, sorry. Besides which point, physical strength wouldn't bust down the magic barriers in Ganon's castle, Link's strength changes nothing. In the end, his strength is fact, Ganon can survive hits from him, Ganon is beyond being killed by Kain or Raziel by any physical means, ever.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
When did Ganondorf ever "tank" blows from the Master Sword? Every blow made him grunt and feel pain. Hell even the light arrows hurt him.

BT I think this is the tanking he was talking about but as you can see in the beginning Ganon is breathing heavily which indicates pain and struggle. Tell me what "tanking" you see.

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Tanking implies that he can take blows without dying, this is clearly shown in the end cutscene. =] Given Link's impossible strength, Kain and Raziel are both screwed in H2H.

EDIT: see 6:20 forward.

Whats really funny is I wonder why Ganon is being trashed by a sword thats not even the Mastersword, he is lieing exausted and defeated on the ground after being smashed up by a midget version of Legolas wielding not even the MS? come on.....

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't think, I know, lol BT, lol. It'd break the game, but not the lore, canonicly Ganon is sometimes referred to as a god, he's even stronger than Link, and yes, Link's the one who does the slashing. Link really is that strong, and yes, his sword is invulnerable/unbreakable. Nintendo were not willing to break the game for a little realism, sorry. Besides which point, physical strength wouldn't bust down the magic barriers in Ganon's castle, Link's strength changes nothing. In the end, his strength is fact, Ganon can survive hits from him, Ganon is beyond being killed by Kain or Raziel by any physical means, ever.

Show me the canon statement in-game or by a developer of its weight and Links strength.....most of the things youve stated are opinions afterall. So....a lot of beings are referred to as a God, Kain is thought of as a God, it makes no diffrence. And which sword is? your assuming every sword he uses is invulerable...do you have evidence they are..I hope so....

As I said, inconsistent nonsense, and as youve blabbered on, maybe they didnt make a more realistic animation of movement for that big stone like it just tumbling by itself or being dislodged with a little force and had a ridiculously looking movement by Link to get it out of the way, as I said, its obvious they belived their user base was intelligent enough to understand that the rest of the game hinted that Link is not somehow a 1000+ tonner......

And if you want to use some maths, use it on reasoning why the body of Ganon isnt flinging miles away with every strike, or why its not making massive impact crators in the ground, your little "zomg buts the memory wasnts enuf!" works against you as well you know...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Whats really funny is I wonder why Ganon is being trashed by a sword thats not even the Mastersword, he is lieing exausted and defeated on the ground after being smashed up by a midget version of Legolas wielding not even the MS? come on.....

Attempted downplay fail. Midget version of Legolas? You DO realise without Zelda there'd be no Blood Omen or LoK, right?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Tanking implies that he can take blows without dying, this is clearly shown in the end cutscene. =] Given Link's impossible strength, Kain and Raziel are both screwed in H2H.

EDIT: see 6:20 forward.

Link doesn't have impossible strength first of all. In that case Kain can absorb all life throughout the universe with the Soul Reaver, the developers were just too lazy to add that in.

Second of all that isn't tanking. Juggernaut, and The Hulk they are tanks, they take damage with little to no damage done to them at all and they keep coming as if nothing even happened. Ganon on the other hand was stunned, dazed and outright beaten. He didn't walk through any of Link's blows, every one that hit him made him recoil.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me the canon statement in-game or by a developer of its weight and Links strength.....most of the things youve stated are opinions afterall. So....a lot of beings are referred to as a God, Kain is thought of as a God, it makes no diffrence. And which sword is? your assuming every sword he uses is invulerable...do you have evidence they are..I hope so....

As I said, inconsistent nonsense, and as youve blabbered on, maybe they didnt make a more realistic animation of movement for that big stone like it just tumbling by itself or being dislodged with a little force and had a ridiculously looking movement by Link to get it out of the way, as I said, its obvious they belived their user base was intelligent enough to understand that the rest of the game hinted that Link is not somehow a 1000+ tonner......

Fail. Inconsistent nonsense? Lawls, sir. Link is infact a 1000+ tonner, at LEAST. It's stated to be granite, I did the math for the much lighter white granite, and it came out to well over 1000 tons, if I did the math realisticly we'd be looking at a much larger number. =] This isn't opinion, it's fact.

Fact 1. It's granite! Heavy granite, infact.
Fact 2. I did the math for light granite, and even left out a part of the stone in my calculations.
Fact 3. Number 2 means that 1000+ tonner is an understatement.
Fact 4. A 1000+ tonner stabbed Ganon in the face with the only sword that can achieve anythign against him.
Fact 5. Ganon survived.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Attempted downplay fail. Midget version of Legolas? You DO realise without Zelda there'd be no Blood Omen or LoK, right?

Assumption and nonsense and lol at dogdging the fact Ganon WAS beaten and bloodied by a weapon not even the Master sword.....therefore...in conclusion....Ganon is not immune to damage or getting ****ed up by Kain or Raziel....

Now considering most of your nonsense is inconsistent and not actual canon, merely assumed and worked out through the appearance of things yet the same aspect of it that you keep going on about, memory not being enough can be comfortably used against you in the fact they could not fit a better animation for the rock to move. Fact is, Link being that strong would have a lot of changes in all the LOZ games, and would break the gameplay and the lore of them as well.

In conclusion, Ganon gets douched.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Fail. Inconsistent nonsense? Lawls, sir. Link is infact a 1000+ tonner, at LEAST. It's stated to be granite, I did the math for the much lighter white granite, and it came out to well over 1000 tons, if I did the math realisticly we'd be looking at a much larger number. =] This isn't opinion, it's fact.

Fact 1. It's granite! Heavy granite, infact.
Fact 2. I did the math for light granite, and even left out a part of the stone in my calculations.
Fact 3. Number 2 means that 1000+ tonner is an understatement.
Fact 4. A 1000+ tonner stabbed Ganon in the face with the only sword that can achieve anythign against him.
Fact 5. Ganon survived.

Fact 4: Stinking lie as a sword previously (biggorons) also smashed him up...which sort of topples all your other points as do my other reasons (or should i say your reasons) for the rock not necesserily being as accuratley represented for Links strength as you would like to think.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Link doesn't have impossible strength first of all. In that case Kain can absorb all life throughout the universe with the Soul Reaver, the developers were just too lazy to add that in.

Second of all that isn't tanking. Juggernaut, and The Hulk they are tanks, they take damage with little to no damage done to them at all and they keep coming as if nothing even happened. Ganon on the other hand was stunned, dazed and outright beaten. He didn't walk through any of Link's blows, every one that hit him made him recoil.

Master. Friggin'. Sword.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Link doesn't have impossible strength first of all. In that case Kain can absorb all life throughout the universe with the Soul Reaver, the developers were just too lazy to add that in.

Second of all that isn't tanking. Juggernaut, and The Hulk they are tanks, they take damage with little to no damage done to them at all and they keep coming as if nothing even happened. Ganon on the other hand was stunned, dazed and outright beaten. He didn't walk through any of Link's blows, every one that hit him made him recoil.

By your definition Ganon is a tank. It took many hits to beat him. hulk gets beaten, Ganon, as the bad guy, does too. He still continued to fight unhindered after a lot of being carved up with that sword, in the hands of a 1000+ tonner, no less. Your attempting to downplay it, don't get why.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Master. Friggin'. Sword.

ARe you trying to say only the MS did that? You clearly see that we have to stun him without the SW at first.

That proves right there he can be damaged and defeated with something that is not the Master Sword......

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
By your definition Ganon is a tank. It took many hits to beat him. hulk gets beaten, Ganon, as the bad guy, does too. He still continued to fight unhindered after a lot of being carved up with that sword, in the hands of a 1000+ tonner, no less. Your attempting to downplay it, don't get why.

No my definition does not make him a tank. If Ganon walked right through all of his blows then he'd be a tank but he didn't breeze through any of them. He grunted, stepped back, screamed, he was stunned. A tank does not do all of that. Just because Hulk gets beat that doesn't mean he isn't a tank.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Assumption and nonsense and lol at dogdging the fact Ganon [b]WAS beaten and bloodied by a weapon not even the Master sword.....therefore...in conclusion....Ganon is not immune to damage or getting ****ed up by Kain or Raziel....

Now considering most of your nonsense is inconsistent and not actual canon, merely assumed and worked out through the appearance of things yet the same aspect of it that you keep going on about, memory not being enough can be comfortably used against you in the fact they could not fit a better animation for the rock to move. Fact is, Link being that strong would have a lot of changes in all the LOZ games, and would break the gameplay and the lore of them as well.

In conclusion, Ganon gets douched. [/B]

LOL. Ganon being hurt by Link makes him lose to Kain and Raziel? WTF?

Firstly, I handed you facts, you chose to ignore them, they are canon.

Secondly, plot device immunity is off, leaving only Ganon's durability anyway, which is beyond Kain or Raziel physicly damaging him. Wouldn't happen, he's too buff. A 1000+ tonner can't one shot him, or even ten shot him; they're not 1000 shotting him.

You clearly know nothing about the Zelda games as you've been in the dark about the on-goings in OoT this entire time, claiming light heartedness and lack of seriousness. Fact is, canon>your attempts at downplaying it through gameplay.

Zelda has many unchanging gameplay elements, they're not changing just because Link has incredible strength. In TP Link still moves the blocks slowly, this is to allow the player to place them where he wants to solve the puzzles. TP Link throws a 200+ ton Goron like a ball. Need I say more? In the 64 bit era this would be even more prominent.

Ganon wins this, it's spite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
That proves right there he can be damaged and defeated with something that is not the Master Sword......

There is another sword in the game for Link to use. The Big Goron Sword which is a bonus weapon that is huge long and strong. Here's the kicker, the sword is so big and heavy that the 1000+ tonner Link has to use it with two hands.

Originally posted by Burning thought
That proves right there he can be damaged and defeated with something that is not the Master Sword......

Outside of the canon, in these debates, he can be hurt by other weapons for obvious reasons, in the canon, he can't, that part's just wierd. Eitherway, it's irrelevant, Ganon still roflstomps.

Where was it stated in the game that Link is a 1000 tonner? Hulk is 100+ because its stated, so is Juggernaut, Gladiator, Colossus and etc. You are the only one with this assumption.

Ganon loses to a gauntletless weaker version of a different Link.
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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
There is another sword in the game for Link to use. The Big Goron Sword which is a bonus weapon that is huge long and strong. Here's the kicker, the sword is so big and heavy that the 1000+ tonner Link has to use it with two hands.

In conclusion, your point is moot.