Ganondorf vs. Kain and Raziel With a Twist

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Ragnell has killed an actual Goddess, not just someone with the power of a God. Ragnell has range in spades. Ike is smarter because he is the leader of the Ike's Mercenaries, its his job to know strategy and stuff like that. He fights actual smart people and not just mindless monsters. He has fought Ashnard, General Zelgius, Ashera, and other skilled swordsmen and won. His reflexes are better, he is able to dodge Beast and Bird Laguz. Ike fights armies with only like 8 other people helping him. Aether counters any damage Link does to him. In a sword fight Ike stomps him.

Edit; in a straight sword fight, Link stomps, btw. Stronger, faster, better.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thread happened, Link won.

Edit; in a straight sword fight, Link stomps, btw. Stronger, faster, better.

How did Link win? How is he faster? What speed feats put him above Ike? What sword feats makes him a better swordsman?

They used OoT Link.

For one, Ike's not holding onto a weapon if he tries to block an attack from Link, the sword will go flying. Ike'll be left unarmed.

Link can react on sonic levels, as evidenced by the Majora fight.

On topic; Ganon still wins this.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They used OoT Link.

For one, Ike's not holding onto a weapon if he tries to block an attack from Link, the sword will go flying. Ike'll be left unarmed.

Link can react on sonic levels, as evidenced by the Majora fight.

On topic; Ganon still wins this.

Same could be said if Ike attacks Link from afar. Link can't block Aether. Are you really saying that Ike is too weak to block an attack from Link? His defenses will get raped. Ike is more skilled, he defeated General Zelgius who could literally solo armies of anything in that (FE) game.

I don't know about sonic levels, you tend to exaggerate.

No, sir, I do not exagerate. Infact, I round my numbers down. Essentially, a whip crack breaks the sound barrier, Link dodged them. /short version.

There's nothing to really suggest Ike's more skilled, most skilled in one universe vs most skilled in another universe. Link's preternaturally skilled with any weapon he picks up, it's why he can nail an inch thick pole with an arrow from several hundred meters having just gotten the bow in TP.

and I can't imagine Ike holding onto his sword after Link struck it, it'd fly out of his hands. what's Ike's best strength feat? Ike won't land an Aether, his only advantage is the reach of his blade.

Still, this thread has turned into a discussion of everythign BUT Ganon vs Kain and Raziel. Do we agree Ganon wins?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Apparently there is a congregation of idiots on the site today.

I shall start with refuting that retarded claim that Ganon can be hurt by other blades than the Master Sword.

YouTube video

Look about 1:15, Link charges Ganon with a blade, a blade that actually IS the Master Sword, only it is missing its full power. We hear a noise that is similar to steel colliding with steel, and see Ganon is unharmed by the attack. Ganon then explains,"You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless," clearly stating that only the full power of the Master Sword can harm him. This vid also shows Valoo attacking Ganondorf, lighting his fort on fire, we later see when returning to Forsaken Fortress that the section of the fort Ganon was in collapsed, and the rest of the fort is also wrecked. No one bothered to put the translated version on Youtube for some gay reason, but Valoo then tells the King of Red Lions,"Ganon cannot be harmed by simple rage and fire," indicating that Ganon was unharmed.

Secondly, the granite lifting in OoT.

First of all, dude, ScreamPaste, let's be honest, they don't know exactly how much that fvcking rock weighs. Don't be foolish. HOWEVER, it is clearly much heavier than anything Raziel or Kain have ever lifted. As for the block pushing, ignorant. It is simple game animation. It is the same reason why Kratos could toss the Collossus of Rhodes, but then in the gameplay you have to repeatedly tap R1 for Kratos to slowly lift a barred gate. It does not discredit the feat.

Also, here is a more reputable feat.

YouTube video

Link from Twilight Princess is the mightiest version thus far, this version was able to toss a huge Goron, which are living, solid rock, which was also wearing heavy armor, like a rag-doll. Once again, stronger than anything Kain or Raziel has done. And Ganondorf was able to physically clash with this Link.

As for Windwaker, dude, Link constantly wear gauntlets which lets him toss large boulders easily.

Also, on the subject of speed, Ganon has two decent speed feats, both of which are greater than Kain or Raziel's.

YouTube video

About 1:18 seconds in, near instantly he closes the gap between himself and Link, beating him unconscious before he can react, Link has always consistently portrayed with impressive agility and speed.

YouTube video

Ganon, after being dead moments before, revived by the Triforce of Power, broke free from his change and in a moment had rushed a Sage and killed it with a punch. This is also notable as it is a H2H feat, he disintegrated a Sage with a quick punch. And before anyone says,"LOLZ HE GOT KILLED BY A SWORD THAT WASNT THE MASTER SWORD" he did not have the Triforce of Power when he was impaled, by some "Divine Prank" he was granted it upon his death. How or why this happened has yet to be explained. Also, this sword was a powerful sword created by the Sages, which was able to clash with the Master Sword.

So yeah, Ganon ftw.

You cant refute it at all, not if you actually look at previous videos, you actually see him being defeated and smashed apart by something other than the master sword, all of it is canon....so obviously this is one of those falliable character statements that is a load of BS and disproven by canon.

Also clearly much heavier? that one piece against the rest of the games canon? and just because its a cool feat and works for you, you will try and use it lol....it goes against the rest of teh game, and ime going to stick with what screampaste has tried to use before, its obvious they didnt want to create a diffrent type of animation for the rock so they had a simple toss, Link has not been shown capable of such strength before and it would contradict lore.

Also that looks like one of those inconsistent feats again, something screampaste (if he was not bias) would state as "just weird", take note that its actually an enemy vs link mechanic, meaning that it could be a gameplay mechanic, simply a way of link defeating an opponent with some humour, for example the way the beast bounces up and down in the lava like cartoons do. And what feat? your comparing GOW gameplay to whats pretty much a cinematic, and now your comparing Links gameplay with actual canon, things work both ways, perhaps they allow Link this strength that ive not seen in an actual canon cinematic for some humour as I said, a bit like toonforce.

Thats not quicker than Kain moving to Moebius/Raziel, hell I counted it, it took about a whole second which is not quick enough for either Kain or Raziel, especially since both seem more agile (Raziel at least).

Thats hardly a feat, he gets a sword in his stomach, a man can survive that and then the very moment he gains tons of extra power from the triforce, Ganon could never even harm Kain or Raziel, hed be punching them but deal pretty much no damage and he would literally have to smash holes through them to stop them which he is not capable of, theyll just incapaciate him and push him into submission, Kain wouldnt have much problem in doing that alone, let alone Raziel. Then he will pull Ganons head off or rip his eyes out, his hands are perfect for it.

You cant refute it at all, not if you actually look at previous videos, you actually see him being defeated and smashed apart by something other than the master sword, all of it is canon....so obviously this is one of those falliable character statements that is a load of BS and disproven by canon.

Also clearly much heavier? that one piece against the rest of the games canon? and just because its a cool feat and works for you, you will try and use it lol....it goes against the rest of teh game, and ime going to stick with what screampaste has tried to use before, its obvious they didnt want to create a diffrent type of animation for the rock so they had a simple toss, Link has not been shown capable of such strength before and it would contradict lore.

Also that looks like one of those inconsistent feats again, something screampaste (if he was not bias) would state as "just weird", take note that its actually an enemy vs link mechanic, meaning that it could be a gameplay mechanic, simply a way of link defeating an opponent with some humour, for example the way the beast bounces up and down in the lava like cartoons do. And what feat? your comparing GOW gameplay to whats pretty much a cinematic, and now your comparing Links gameplay with actual canon, things work both ways, perhaps they allow Link this strength that ive not seen in an actual canon cinematic for some humour as I said, a bit like toonforce

K, so.. me and TGE win. Ganon wins. Ganon can survive physical attacks far beyond anythign Kain or Raziel can generate. He can conversely, exert enough physical force to crush them into paste.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
People retcon all the time, even in OoT the two handed sword is a bonus weapon, not official canon, just something for fun.

Actually, it in no way contradicts the lore, throwing the stone had it's own unique animation, it was a cinematic, it was canon, it was in every way designed to be a feat of strength. Nothing disagrees with it. All you have to use against Link's strength are theories about why he pushes a block slowly. The answer is simple; so the player can still complete block puzzles.

Are you trying to say that the end of WW is meant to be humourous? Cartoony art design, incredible story line. Don't let the looks decieve you.

K, so.. me and TGE win. Ganon wins. Ganon can survive physical attacks far beyond anythign Kain or Raziel can generate. He can conversely, exert enough physical force to crush them into paste.

Does not matter, its still canon Ganon was defeated by something other than the Master sword.

Ofcourse it contradicts lore, as I said half the items link has to find, half the environments link would have to pass through, if he could just punch his way through it would have been mentioned or used, Link is not a strength character and he was never designed as one, hes designed as a legolas midget who uses tools, weapons and intellect, hes not a 1000+ tonner, not in canon, only by your statements, and that rock as I said, toon force and inconsistent with the rest of the game and in contradiction to what the rest of the game tells us and shows us, as well as its bounds of common sense.

End of WW? tossing that fat beast does not look like the end of WW, unless you were referring to something else.

lol....you and TGE dont win until youve convinced me, otherwise youve got nothing but your blind delusions....Ganon has made no real impressive physical forces and his durability is low, has he actually refected any damage? hes been impaled by many things, the fact he survives is neither here nor there.

Does not matter, its still canon Ganon was defeated by something other than the Master sword.

People retcon all the time, even in OoT the two handed sword is a bonus weapon, not canon, just something for fun.

Ofcourse it contradicts lore, as I said half the items link has to find, half the environments link would have to pass through, if he could just punch his way through it would have been mentioned or used, Link is not a strength character and he was never designed as one, hes designed as a legolas midget who uses tools, weapons and intellect, hes not a 1000+ tonner, not in canon, only by your statements, and that rock as I said, toon force and inconsistent with the rest of the game and in contradiction to what the rest of the game tells us and shows us, as well as its bounds of common sense.

End of WW? tossing that fat beast does not look like the end of WW, unless you were referring to something else.

lol....you and TGE dont win until youve convinced me, otherwise youve got nothing but your blind delusions....Ganon has made no real impressive physical forces and his durability is low, has he actually refected any damage? hes been impaled by many things, the fact he survives is neither here nor there.

And technicly survival of extreme force does constitute durability, they can't physicly harm Ganon, in a h2h fight, where they can't get away, they're utterly fuxxed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He gets the golden gauntlets at the END of OoT, and they are canon, the strikes against Ganon were backed by 1000+ tonner strength. You can't beat the game without them, they're canon. You can't argue with cutscenes and canon, especially not with silly nitpicking about animations.

you were unclear as to what you were talking about, you meant to Goron? You mentioned WW and there was a video up of Ganon fighting WW Link.

Actually, seeing as you'll never accept the facts, we're not the ones who are delusional. We have cut-scenes, canon proof, and severely under-estimated numbers. You have complaints about block pushing and not one shottign all the enemies in the game, which would be no freakin' fun, in a game, sir.

And technicly survival of extreme force does constitute durability, they can't physicly harm Ganon, in a h2h fight, where they can't get away, they're utterly fuxxed.

How does the two handed sword not being canon have anything to do with it.....

I can, and wheres link wearing the gauntlets and striking ganon, ive not seen this yet.

No wonder your confused, you see thats what happens when you try and butt into someone elses argument.

Or i could just swap that around and say your not taking into account facts, you have cut-scenes of Ganon getting douched by something other than the Master sword as well, but apprently thats just "weird", the rest of the games lore and canon goes against the idea of Link being a 1000+ its a stupid statement to make, especially when its only you making the statement, not the developers.

They would slice him to pieces, Ganons got no durability feats and ala the canon can be harmed by any weapon.

Or i could just swap that around and say your not taking into account facts, you have cut-scenes of Ganon getting douched by something other than the Master sword as well

I can, and wheres link wearing the gauntlets and striking ganon, ive not seen this yet.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lolwut? Find a cutscene of that? Can't? Exactly.

At the end of OOT Link is wearing the gauntlets for the entire fight against Ganon.

Erm, the one you keep refering to, Ganon is smashed into an exausted, weakened lump from a Link withotu the Mastersword at the beginning, whats amusing is that despite having these 1000+ ton strength gauntlets, one slap from Ganon sends his Master sword flying away lol.....Has ganon showed 1000+ ton strength? no...did not think so...

Another inconsistency is that Ganon does not end up getting thrown about, his size is rather pathetic in comparison to 1000+ tons, he should be being tossed into the air with every slash from link...but no, he barely moves throughout, just as if Link were say...hmm...let me think..not that strong...

Once more; you've brought nothing to the table.

Ganon is stronger than Link, canon fact, and no, Nintendo will not make a Zelda game where the final battle revolves aroudn the two main characters DBZing each other in some sort of ridiculous pre-teen he-man fantasy.

Edit: Furthermore, like I said, by canon fact, stated throughout the games by Nintendo, including in that WW cut-scene TGE posted, Ganon can't be harmed by anythign but the mastersword. What you're referring to is a gameplay element added for challenge, in 1998. It's 2009.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

6 ft = 80 pixels

The goron = 228. THEREFORE; 228/80 = 2.85
2.85x6 = 17.1 Ft in diameter.

V= pi*r^3*0.75=4007.9816296875 cubic feet.

so, let's get conservative here.

4000x100 lbs = 400 000 lbs = 200 tons.

Just so we're clear, seeing as he stopped it, then threw it, yes, Link is infact strong. This is without gauntlets, and Ganon survives hits from this.

Given that the Gorons are probably about as heavy as granite, multiply that by 1.6 to get a more accurate weight. =] I forget where I read they were granite though, so I won't use those numbers until I find the quote.

^further evidence. Even 100+tonning would put Link beyond Kain. So, cut that number in half if you like, doesn't matter. Taking shots from Link puts him outside of Kain or Raziel hurting him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You cant refute it at all, not if you actually look at previous videos, you actually see him being defeated and smashed apart by something other than the master sword, all of it is canon....so obviously this is one of those falliable character statements that is a load of BS and disproven by canon.

Also clearly much heavier? that one piece against the rest of the games canon? and just because its a cool feat and works for you, you will try and use it lol....it goes against the rest of teh game, and ime going to stick with what screampaste has tried to use before, its obvious they didnt want to create a diffrent type of animation for the rock so they had a simple toss, Link has not been shown capable of such strength before and it would contradict lore.

Also that looks like one of those inconsistent feats again, something screampaste (if he was not bias) would state as "just weird", take note that its actually an enemy vs link mechanic, meaning that it could be a gameplay mechanic, simply a way of link defeating an opponent with some humour, for example the way the beast bounces up and down in the lava like cartoons do. And what feat? your comparing GOW gameplay to whats pretty much a cinematic, and now your comparing Links gameplay with actual canon, things work both ways, perhaps they allow Link this strength that ive not seen in an actual canon cinematic for some humour as I said, a bit like toonforce.

Thats not quicker than Kain moving to Moebius/Raziel, hell I counted it, it took about a whole second which is not quick enough for either Kain or Raziel, especially since both seem more agile (Raziel at least).

Thats hardly a feat, he gets a sword in his stomach, a man can survive that and then the very moment he gains tons of extra power from the triforce, Ganon could never even harm Kain or Raziel, hed be punching them but deal pretty much no damage and he would literally have to smash holes through them to stop them which he is not capable of, theyll just incapaciate him and push him into submission, Kain wouldnt have much problem in doing that alone, let alone Raziel. Then he will pull Ganons head off or rip his eyes out, his hands are perfect for it.

2. He was not capable of such strength before because he had just received the Golden Gauntlets which is needed to do it and fought Ganondorf like ten minutes later. So he did not have time to display any previous feats. Although he did have previous feats of lifting large(10-15 tons in size) boulders and tossing them just as easily, with the Silver Gauntlets, which were replaced by the Golden ones because they are stronger. Contradict lore? And how the hell would it do that? Considering canonically he only used them for like fifteen friggin minutes before being reverted to a child again, unable to ever use them again. If you don't know anything about the lore of Zelda, don't say anything contradicts lore. That animation for tossing the slab of granite is unique in that you never see something similar.

3. Oh, but we must accept Link fighting Ganondorf with the Biggoron's Sword as canon right? dur Get your ignorant, biased double-standards the hell off of my forum. A way of Link defeating the opponent with humor? Link in Twilight Princess has been portrayed as consistently physically mighty, stopping charging rams(it should be noted these rams were more like the size of a bull) easily and putting them down, with a little extra weight he could toss a Goron out of the ring during a Sumo match, and tripping a thirty or more foot monster by grabbing its chain. His feats are consistent. So please play the fvcking game before you call it inconsistent you pathetic troll. And Zelda games, even the more "toonish" WW, are very serious in nature.

4. Kain moved like three feet in half a second. Ganondorf moved twenty in the same amount of time after just being pinned to a wall. Mathematically you are incorrect. And Ganondorf is agile, which is incredibly impressive considering the man stands at like nine feet tall, during the fight in WW he shows many impressive leaps and such in battle, deflecting and dodging light arrows as well(no I am not insinuating they travel as fast as light). Ganon is faster, deal with it like a man or forever be a deluded fanboy in denial.

5. Check the vid again, look at the hole, it is in his chest, and is for the rest of the game. And yeah, gained extra power from the Triforce...Which he has in this fight, so irrelevance much? Ganon cannot harm Kain or Raziel? Utter stupidity. Ganon annihilated someone with a punch, in OoT his punches cause tremors in the ground which shatter the steel floor(note, it is the tremor, not the fist hitting it, that collapses it). Show me a feat that rivals Ganondorf's. HUMOR ME. You can't, you are butt-hurt because your little emo vampire ass pals are losing this fight to a character you don't like. Ganondorf punches either one once, killing both.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
you are butt-hurt because your little emo vampire ass pals are losing this fight to a character you don't like.

LMFAO 😆

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Look up the definition of retcon. And it was done with a sword that you can optionally retrieve, it is not mandatory. And BT, that is gameplay, funny how you denounce gameplay in some areas and treat it as canon fact in others. 🙂 And if it was just a statement you would be right, but it was demonstrated. And why do you think Link has to go through the trouble in every Zelda game involving Ganon to retrieve the Master Sword if he could defeat him through other means? GTFO with that shit.

2. He was not capable of such strength before because he had just received the Golden Gauntlets which is needed to do it and fought Ganondorf like ten minutes later. So he did not have time to display any previous feats. Although he did have previous feats of lifting large(10-15 tons in size) boulders and tossing them just as easily, with the Silver Gauntlets, which were replaced by the Golden ones because they are stronger. Contradict lore? And how the hell would it do that? Considering canonically he only used them for like fifteen friggin minutes before being reverted to a child again, unable to ever use them again. If you don't know anything about the lore of Zelda, don't say anything contradicts lore. That animation for tossing the slab of granite is unique in that you never see something similar.

3. Oh, but we must accept Link fighting Ganondorf with the Biggoron's Sword as canon right? dur Get your ignorant, biased double-standards the hell off of my forum. A way of Link defeating the opponent with humor? Link in Twilight Princess has been portrayed as consistently physically mighty, stopping charging rams(it should be noted these rams were more like the size of a bull) easily and putting them down, with a little extra weight he could toss a Goron out of the ring during a Sumo match, and tripping a thirty or more foot monster by grabbing its chain. His feats are consistent. So please play the fvcking game before you call it inconsistent you pathetic troll. And Zelda games, even the more "toonish" WW, are very serious in nature.

4. Kain moved like three feet in half a second. Ganondorf moved twenty in the same amount of time after just being pinned to a wall. Mathematically you are incorrect. And Ganondorf is agile, which is incredibly impressive considering the man stands at like nine feet tall, during the fight in WW he shows many impressive leaps and such in battle, deflecting and dodging light arrows as well(no I am not insinuating they travel as fast as light). Ganon is faster, deal with it like a man or forever be a deluded fanboy in denial.

5. Check the vid again, look at the hole, it is in his chest, and is for the rest of the game. And yeah, gained extra power from the Triforce...Which he has in this fight, so irrelevance much? Ganon cannot harm Kain or Raziel? Utter stupidity. Ganon annihilated someone with a punch, in OoT his punches cause tremors in the ground which shatter the steel floor(note, it is the tremor, not the fist hitting it, that collapses it). Show me a feat that rivals Ganondorf's. HUMOR ME. You can't, you are butt-hurt because your little emo vampire ass pals are losing this fight to a character you don't like. Ganondorf punches either one once, killing both.

1. What suggests a retocon other than Ganons falliable statement? infact if we are talking retcons, has Link shown anything of the 1000+ ton fiber since the one Screampaste pointed out? Screampastes reason, because it would not be fun? according to screampaste his strength should be enough to topple through most of Hyrule and easily bypass most of the game.

2. It would contradict the fact that the game wouldnt require link to find anything else if he suddenly gained 1000+ ton strength, ganon has not shown anything to put him in that range so he would be splattered with a punch from Link if this were the case.

3. Your forum? I think the section of KMC most accurate for you is the off-topic trolling area for random statements and clowning around 🙂 and the rest of this is just you whimpering like a choir boy whos dad has just beat on his mother, theres no consistency in the 1000+ ton feat nor any other, its all toonforce as with the example you provided, but ofc, real beings bounce up and down when they hit a hot surface with steam spraying from them!

4. Nonsense, 20 lol......3 meters is closer to what Kain moved and in half the time it took Ganon to move towards Link and start the beating. Show me the evidence that they travel as fast as Light, I expect hyperbole. A deluded fanboy in denile, you would know all about that being one yourself, unfortunatley you could never debate out of your fanboyism.

5. Its not in any major Organ, its too low to be in his heart or lungs and this is irrelvent because he gianed the power of the triforce immedialtey so its not a feat without it, it still does not help him if Raziel or Kain decide to slice him into little pieces.

He annahilated a being of an unkown material, it was not flesh, bone or rock and for all you know they would always die in that way. Rivals ganons? Raziel is at least a 30+ tonner being generous and slams his sharp claws that slice through stone into Kain in anger, Kain is not even damaged, whats bending some steel going to do? nothing.....what nonsense...go and play with your fanfictions of Ganon and Pyron instead of wasting my time with your pathetic blabbering.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
^further evidence. Even 100+tonning would put Link beyond Kain. So, cut that number in half if you like, doesn't matter. Taking shots from Link puts him outside of Kain or Raziel hurting him.

Same argument as before, theres no point in making the same point again, inconsistent nonsense thats full of toonforce and "fun factor"

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Once more; you've brought nothing to the table.

Ganon is stronger than Link, canon fact, and no, Nintendo will not make a Zelda game where the final battle revolves aroudn the two main characters DBZing each other in some sort of ridiculous pre-teen he-man fantasy.

Edit: Furthermore, like I said, by canon fact, stated throughout the games by Nintendo, including in that WW cut-scene TGE posted, Ganon can't be harmed by anythign but the mastersword. What you're referring to is a gameplay element added for challenge, in 1998. It's 2009.

Much alike to you? what have you brought....

Bullshit excuses, there was no physics or animations throughout any other game using those gauntlets to respect the 1000+ tonage you are giving him.

Theres no gameplay, you see the MS gone in the canon although show me these developer statements of only the MS harming ganon.

Lol, BT, lol. Raziel at a 30+ tonner cannot hurt Ganon. Ganon can disintegrate stone with his blows, not break it, disintegrate it. He can take hits from a 1000+tonner without dying, how is Raziel, or Kain, going to even harm him?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Bullshit excuses, there was no physics or animations throughout any other game using those gauntlets to respect the 1000+ tonage you are giving him.

Theres no gameplay, you see the MS gone in the canon although show me these developer statements of only the MS harming ganon.

That Nintendo gave him. Also, Nintendo have stated that the master sword is the only sword that can hurt Ganon before.

Go play the freakin' game, nub.

Didn't the Hylden Lord destroy Raziel's body really easy? And wasn't Kain wounded so bad that it took 200 years for him to heal?

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Originally posted by Burning thought
1. What suggests a retocon other than Ganons falliable statement? infact if we are talking retcons, has Link shown anything of the 1000+ ton fiber since the one Screampaste pointed out? Screampastes reason, because it would not be fun? according to screampaste his strength should be enough to topple through most of Hyrule and easily bypass most of the game.

2. It would contradict the fact that the game wouldnt require link to find anything else if he suddenly gained 1000+ ton strength, ganon has not shown anything to put him in that range so he would be splattered with a punch from Link if this were the case.

3. Your forum? I think the section of KMC most accurate for you is the off-topic trolling area for random statements and clowning around 🙂 and the rest of this is just you whimpering like a choir boy whos dad has just beat on his mother, theres no consistency in the 1000+ ton feat nor any other, its all toonforce as with the example you provided, but ofc, real beings bounce up and down when they hit a hot surface with steam spraying from them!

4. Nonsense, 20 lol......3 meters is closer to what Kain moved and in half the time it took Ganon to move towards Link and start the beating. Show me the evidence that they travel as fast as Light, I expect hyperbole. A deluded fanboy in denile, you would know all about that being one yourself, unfortunatley you could never debate out of your fanboyism.

5. Its not in any major Organ, its too low to be in his heart or lungs and this is irrelvent because he gianed the power of the triforce immedialtey so its not a feat without it, it still does not help him if Raziel or Kain decide to slice him into little pieces.

He annahilated a being of an unkown material, it was not flesh, bone or rock and for all you know they would always die in that way. Rivals ganons? Raziel is at least a 30+ tonner being generous and slams his sharp claws that slice through stone into Kain in anger, Kain is not even damaged, whats bending some steel going to do? nothing.....what nonsense...go and play with your fanfictions of Ganon and Pyron instead of wasting my time with your pathetic blabbering.

2. Read above.

3. Oh, that's nice, bringing up how my mother was beaten by my father, real big man move there. Yes, as you have read on another forum, my father indeed has beaten my mother, and it bothers me. But hey, it could be worse. I could be a sicko who lusts after his under-age cousin and contemplates suicide because she rejected me. 🙂

All toonforce? So at what point do consistent feats of strength turn into toonforce? If it happened once you would have a point, but no, he has other feats of raw physical power many times in the game, making it NOT toonforce. The jumping off the lava, I'll give you as being somewhat toony, but when a character consistently uses physical strength to perform canon tasks in the game, it is NOT toonforce.

4. O RLY? Three meters? That would be about ten feet.

YouTube video

Go to 4:45. Looking again, it clearly takes about a second to actually move that distance. Which was not ten feet. Ganondorf in less time moved a larger distance. Anyone but you can see this, so please stfu, would you kindly? And once again, actually reading my posts helps. I stated that I am NOT insinuating Light Arrows travel at the speed of light...But they are still faster than Kain is, Ganon dodges them easily. Oh? I'm the fanboy?

You have claimed Kain's shield could stop an attack from Pyron, hell, even Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
You have claimed Kain can defeat Onslaught.
You have claimed Kain can easily defeat the LT.
You believe that Kain could survive being put in the sun, and then evolve to escape and take the heat of the sun.
You think Kain can survive an actual black hole.
You think that Kain fighting Superman Prime would after enough time evolve to physically defeat him.
You have said that Kain could stop Juggernaut by tripping him with the Reaver.
You think Kain can manipulate the pillars of Nosgoth and defeat Galactus, and would stalemate Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet until he took the gauntlet off.

Oh, but I'M the fanboy right? Other than claiming Pyron is galaxy sized, you have nothing on me.

5. It was through his rib-cage, and too low to be his heart? Um, bullshit? Throughout the game, that is clearly where the hole was. And how is it not a feat when he has the Triforce in this fight? And they can't, they are too weak.

Sages are the most powerful beings in OoT short of the Goddesses and Ganon himself(prolly Zant too, who possesses a minute fraction of Ganon's power), but we must assume they were weaker than average in terms of durability, right? Raziel a thirty tonner? Prove that statement. And don't show me Raziel pushing a fvcking block.