Originally posted by psycho gundamSrankmissingnin and I prefaced our initial debate by agreeing that I wouldn't rely on Mjolnir spinning or travelling speed feats. As far as some arguments I've heard, because Mjolnir's magical, we can't assume Thor is forcing Mjolnir to spin with physical centripetal force. Once again, why Wonderwoman gets a pass with her bracers reeks of a double-standard. But either way, I don't care to post scans of Thor spinning around Mr. Hyde like Mjolnir to rebut that presumption because it's a tangential issue.
everybody should know that thor can at least make his arms move extremely fast. mjolnir gets spun at beyond lightspeed every three issues...since like issue one of JITM.
Naturally, even though I told srankmissingnin not to post aim blocking nonsense, he did so anyway. doh
extremely weak thor from reigning (he is readying for the odinsleep and so is likely far weaker than even a normally powered thor) effortlessly counters a blitz and parries an attack from thialfi, GOD OF SPEED:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7440/thialfi.jpg
hela (a beast in sheer power) can't even touch thor and says his speed is 'beyond comprehension'. thor once again reiterates that the speed of the lightning is his:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8104/helan.jpg
thor is really fast.
when you're a god as powerful and honourable as thor, why SHOULD he be shown speedblitzing and dancing around people? he's shown numerous times he has superspeed available to him--enough instances to say quite clearly that it is NOT pis if he uses that speed in a battle.
oh, as far as this battle--herc CAN win it if he fights smart. not sure who'd take the majority. herc can do enough damage to the environment to simply bury them both, pummel them with massive pieces of debris, shockwave (which might have limited effect on logan but WOULD affect pool) to seperate them. but if they get in close enough they could do a lot of damage . . .
Ok, I'm not sure why all this Thor stuff is in a Hercules thread, but..
I'd go with Hercules in this fight. He isn't just a brick, by mythology he essentially invented wrestling. He also has a very long experience in combat, much longer than Wolverine.
He is strong enough to hold up the entire planet, as he took over from Atlas for several days.
It was also shown in the new tasks of Hercules that all of his buffoonery and and ineptness was an act he put on over the guilt of killing his family while he was controlled by Hera.
Oy, how I do hate to sully my hands with your carcass in these threads Onedumb, but I suppose it's time to do this dance again isn't it? And I'm going to be stuck here endlessly proving you wrong up and down a thread AGAIN aren't I?
Oh well... If I must.
You see the problem my friend is that you took up a position to prove that Thor was not only as fast as Wolverine in combat, but faster, AND faster to a degree that made any fight between the two a non contest. And? You simply haven't done that... I know, I know you like to think you have but when we look at facts; when we look at these feats objectively, there's relatively NOTHING in Thor's career in comics to support this crazed ass notion of yours, and as I've said before the only thing that would ever delude one into the conclusion that there is was Thor's brawl with Fenris and Loki.....
But since you insist.... Well like I said, here we go again.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What is up with you? How can you possibly be so obtuse? Basically every feat I listed from the point where I started listing Thor's punking of multiple speedsters and even super-speedsters is superior to Wolverine's feats. These are the speedster and super-speedster feats:
These are the measurable and clearly superior feats that you couldn't even begin to match. Here's the only one you tried making a half-hearted attempt to lowball. Thor is flying around outside, unaware that Cobra and Jane Foster are in this particular building. Jane Foster screams, and Cobra fires a dart only a few feet from jane Foster. Thor's not even in the room, but AFTER the dart's fired, in the space of a split second, he manages to maneuver in and intercept the dart:When has Wolverine, AFTER a dart-like projectile has already been fired at a victim only a few feet away, zoomed in from outside that room and intercepted it? Show us a scan.
But if dart blocking is what makes Thor so impressive in your eyes in combat, then please serve yourself some of this.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7895/rocketpowereddartblockhm5.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here's another superspeed feat. Thor's flying around in the sky and spots a boy who is going to be hit in 1.2 seconds. Within the 1.2 seconds, he's able to zoom down to the ground, calculate the precise trajectory, slam Mjolnir down to create a shockwave and have the shockwave travel to bounce the truck up:When has Wolverine done anything remotely close to this? Show us a scan.
Like Srank told you hitting the ground with his hammer in the span of 1.2 seconds isn't even remotely impressive for a human let alone a comic book character. 😬
But hey, if one strike in 1.2 seconds does that for you I can't imagine how impressive Wolverine doing this in 2 is..... (And lets be honest here.... 2 Seconds is being way too generous given the fact that the cigars never hit the floor.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
For that matter, when has Wolverine ever thrown a haymaker punch and spun around to catch a zooming object in the space of microseconds? That's within millonths of a second:
Zoiks! I bet Wolverine can't match something like that!
Oh wait... Wolverine pulling a sword out of the ground after Scott's blasted three shots at him turning around and managing to deflect every blast with one efficient strike.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1889/captang29.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Has Wolverine ever defended himself from a neutral position AFTER a blast moving at least light speed has already been fired? Show us a scan. And don't even bother trying to pass off aim-dodging or blocking as remotely comparable:
*sigh*
Oh... God.....
Look, while telepathic communication may be instantaneous there's really no proof as to how fast a telepathic bolt can be once it's been given some form of physical manifestation and shot AT someone, it sure as hell isn't instantaneous, and if you've missed out on that fact not reading hundreds of X-books then you certainly didn't manage to read that scan very well either as it flat out says that the bolt was moving toward Thor, as in NOT instantaneous. Thor's ability to react to it after it's been fired should prove that. 😐
You're rationale here is beyond coherent reasoning. 🤨
You think otherwise, then lay some proof out on the table because until then, as Srank replied. Wolverine's blocked and dodged lazers too.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/axm-017.jpg
Oh yes, I know, you don't like Wolverine blocking or dodging lazers because it sucks to consider for your argument but it's not as if this would be the only impressive feat he has against these things. How about helping Rogue dodge a lazer after it had already begun to fire?
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/954/roguelasertrip.jpg
Oh right I'm sure these won't matter since that's what your agenda calls for. If telepathy is so impressive in your eyes; are you NOT aware of all the telepaths who have failed fighting Logan strictly because he can fight at the speed of thought? Cause y'know... they HAVE. 😐
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then there's that time Thor caught a fired tank shell in his bare hand which you brought up. Has Wolverine ever caught artillery shells? Show us a scan. Are you going to try to pass off that ridiculous rocket-riding feat as being comparable?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then there's this time where Gladiator throws a building section at Thor but he swipes the debris away with two successive strikes which follow each other so quickly that nothing penetrates between swings AND a speeb-blitzing Gladiator hasn't even reached him despite being feet away after the first swing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed19v234.jpg
There goes Thor's instaneous reaction times EH?
Oh well.
Now I fail to see how managing to swing his hammer twice in the course of two full sentences is more impressive than Wolverine cutting off Geists armor in the time he took to say one. Yeah, yeah I know we see Gladiator coming up on Thor fast, but the fact that the building was getting to Thor faster than he was should tell you he wasn't blitzing Thor as fast as possible either. I saw you ignore the Giest/Doc Samson armor removal. Perhaps you would like to explain why?
As for your other scans....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers098.jpg
Another feat for Mjolnir? Good for the HAMMER.. maybe you would like to show something remotely related to Thor's speed in combat? Or Thor's speed at all?
Cause when it comes to his FTL speed reflexes that can block "instaneous bolts of telepathy from a relaxed position" 🙄 it sure as hell didn't do much to help him from getting punched across the grill by a nutty Cap. And it never has for that matter.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...speed11a447.jpg
😐
I have no clue how you think this shows Thor to be superior to anyone in a speed department, especially when all Juvan did there was literally jump down towards Thor. As Srank said, Wolverine's tagged Rogue in mid flight coming at him... Shit this is more impressive than that.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/948/speedballfj1mw3.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor catches another High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rspeed15475.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7452/uxm178pg03lowresym9.jpg
And since we both know you're going to try lowballing this feat too.... How fast was Zefra going? We don't see Thor's reaction time in relation to her distance and speed. Three people were able to communicate before she even made it to the door. What part of that proves Thor's superiority in h2h combat speed? blah blah blah..
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers281.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...speed16av27.jpg
First scan, HAMMER.
Second scan, HAMMER....
what part of that is failing to sink in with you?
Those are not ANY sort of proof to Thor's combat speed whatsoever.
So... like I knew was to be the case before even getting into this, there wasn't one feat there and especially one h2h feat that showed Thor anywhere NEAR being above Wolverine's level and in most cases fell horribly short of stacking up to the little guy instead. Why? Because while he may be quick for a brick, he's not a speedster... 😬
Originally posted by jinzinWell, it might be if said human was flying in the air before he hit the ground, and it all took place in 1.2 seconds.
Like Srank told you hitting the ground with his hammer in the span of 1.2 seconds isn't even remotely impressive for a human let alone a comic book character. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
extremely weak thor from reigning (he is readying for the odinsleep and so is likely far weaker than even a normally powered thor) effortlessly counters a blitz and parries an attack from thialfi, GOD OF SPEED:
if you're going to use The Reigning as your pillar of evidence, it should pretty much be without question that Wolverine can hit Thor in combat.
Originally posted by leonidas
hela (a beast in sheer power) can't even touch thor and says his speed is 'beyond comprehension'. thor once again reiterates that the speed of the lightning is his:http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8104/helan.jpg
thor is really fast.
Or not.
Wolverine's dones better for longer with more opponents who are better and h2h specialists.
Originally posted by leonidasHe shouldn't most of the time. But when he gets into fights with people like Hulk, Thing, the Bloodbrothers, Jughernaught and any number of various parties who he's come across one would expect him to ride on a speed advantage when sheer strength alone isn't going to be one that's working...
when you're a god as powerful and honourable as thor, why SHOULD he be shown speedblitzing and dancing around people? he's shown numerous times he has superspeed available to him--enough instances to say quite clearly that it is NOT pis if he uses that speed in a battle.
Originally posted by jinzin
He's already swinging the hammer in motion and it's continued momentum looks to be showin as soon as Thor's grabbing him.
You know I have a feelng you're overcomplicating this. This is a speed feat, does swinging the hammer somehow increase Thors reflexes? In fact how does swinging a hammer in any way make it easier in fact that makes it even more difficult, instead of just waiting for him and clocking him hes doing something before Hermes is in range.
Also he dodged Hermes first attack.
