Starkiller runs a gauntlet

Originally posted by The Valiant
Kain isn't Pyron. Prove he can kill him with the wave of his hand. It's gameplay, it doesn't count. Like, Kain has so many durability feats. If it does, how come he didn't reform in BO2, instead of being hurt for 200 years?

You claim he was undefeatable; Hylden Lord did it easily. Besides, if he goes to the Spectral Realm, he is defeated.

You obviously have too little an intellect to understand what I am trying to say Gumachi. It does count because it is not a gameplay mechanic Gumachi 🙂 . Unfortunaltey the thread starter did not state an exact Kain, so Ill just choose the latest within the rules, who can transform into mist at will and reform and any number of his weapons can kill Starkiller.

I disagree, going to the spectoral realm is no defeat for Raziel, no more than Pyron having to reform is for him.

Defiance Kain. Why didn't he turn into mist when he fought Raziel? And you still didn't answer my question on why didn't he reform at BO2.

If you're talking about when he uses the Reaver, and switches, then no. If you're talking about what the Hylden Lord did to him, then yes. Nice job ignoring most of what I said.

Originally posted by Burning thought
How is that relevent? please make some sense

In combat, Durge was a match for even Jedi Knights. His Gen'Dai abilities, coupled with his armor suit, allowed him to hold his own against almost any opponent. Durge's regenerative physique made him difficult to truly kill, and even when unarmed, with both hands chopped off, he presented a major threat to his enemies. Durge was incredibly strong. Once unleashed from his suit, he easily overpowered a squad of clone troopers trying to subdue him and was able to catch a swoop bike mid-flight and wield it as a club. He was no slouch in the speed department, as he could easily keep pace with skilled Jedi, dodging and blitzing even Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. Despite being hit with nine explosive charges in the face, he managed to keep fighting Anakin Skywalker in their duel above Maramere.

That wiki quote hardly give him credit at all. Durge regenerated from being nothing but a liquid stain on the floor 😊

Originally posted by The Valiant
Defiance Kain. Why didn't he turn into mist when he fought Raziel? And you still didn't answer my question on why didn't he reform at BO2.

If you're talking about when he uses the Reaver, and switches, then no. If you're talking about what the Hylden Lord did to him, then yes. Nice job ignoring most of what I said.

In combat, Durge was a match for even Jedi Knights. His Gen'Dai abilities, coupled with his armor suit, allowed him to hold his own against almost any opponent. Durge's regenerative physique made him difficult to truly kill, and even when unarmed, with both hands chopped off, he presented a major threat to his enemies. Durge was incredibly strong. Once unleashed from his suit, he easily overpowered a squad of clone troopers trying to subdue him and was able to catch a swoop bike mid-flight and wield it as a club. He was no slouch in the speed department, as he could easily keep pace with skilled Jedi, dodging and blitzing even Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. Despite being hit with nine explosive charges in the face, he managed to keep fighting Anakin Skywalker in their duel above Maramere.

Yes I did answer the quetion, you obviously did not understand it, perhaps ill point out the fact BO2 Kain did not have as advanced a mist power as current Kain, also BO2 Kain was knocked out, not killed or badly damaged physically.

I ignored what you said? 🙄 😆 the Hylden lord destroyed his body and flew away, unfortunatley for Starkiller he cannot just fly away or escape this battle, so Raziel will just return and destroy him.

That says nothing of invulerability to the degree of Raziel, thats nothing compared to being able to have your body destroyed yet still return because your spiritual essence is your entity, not your physical form. Much like Kain.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
That wiki quote hardly give him credit at all. Durge regenerated from being nothing but a liquid stain on the floor 😊

And this does not compare either. Although curiously, it is still irrelvent because its likely the way he was defeated was very specific to him, or the environment.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And this does not compare either. Although curiously, it is still irrelvent because its likely the way he was defeated was very specific to him, or the environment.

True, so true. It is quite irrelevant. I'm merely bringing him up due to my newfound interest in him and francly looked for an excuse to mention him 😛

Yet he's fine proof that no enemy is unkillable with the proper creativity and methods.

Well considering this environment is not set out it may be less useful, perhaps if there were some star wars objects and machines for Starkiller to put to use, or another type of weapon added into the mix then pehaps he would have more advantages although its obvious straight away he fails at Pyron.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes I did answer the quetion, you obviously did not understand it, perhaps ill point out the fact BO2 Kain did not have as advanced a mist power as current Kain, also BO2 Kain was knocked out, not killed or badly damaged physically.

I ignored what you said? 🙄 😆 the Hylden lord destroyed his body and flew away, unfortunatley for Starkiller he cannot just fly away or escape this battle, so Raziel will just return and destroy him.

That says nothing of invulerability to the degree of Raziel, thats nothing compared to being able to have your body destroyed yet still return because your spiritual essence is your entity, not your physical form. Much like Kain.

No you didn't. He never fought Raziel in BO2. So? He still could have reformed. Sorry, Kain was injured so bad, that he was in a coma for 200 years. So he had to be hurt, physically.

Return? You just said he couldn't die. Which isn't allowed in the first place. Yeah, you claimed he couldn't die, but how did the Hylden Lord destroy his body so easily? He destroyed his body, and he ended up in the Spectral Realm (in other words, he died). "Life, Death, and Rebirth"-Elder God. If he is invulerable, how can he die? The only time he couldn't die is when he had the Soul Reaver.

If he is invulerable how can he die? Once again, this isn't allowed. Yeah, he still died. Just like when Kain throwed him into the Abyss. Kain was hurt so bad...that he was in a coma for 200 years. Durge wasn't even injured from the damage he took. He can only return, if he escapes the Spirit Realm (which anyone could probably do). It's not like he returns from nonething.

Originally posted by The Valiant
Maris Brood is a she. Dante is fast, but it's not like he goes as fast as Hancock.

I am not sure how fast Hancock can go, but from Dantes perspective with some sword, falling glass is standing still as he pivots around and swings his sword, Starkiller wouldn't even be seeing or sensing these actions.

Add on his flight speed is faster then most bullets and projectiles, it would be almost impossible for Starkiller to keep up with Dante WHILE Kratos is a threat.

I highly doubt he could make it past 1 alive, let alone 3.

The Valiant is Gumachi?

And as far as reactions go, Dante is FASTER than Hancock.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I am not sure how fast Hancock can go, but from Dantes perspective with some sword, falling glass is standing still as he pivots around and swings his sword, Starkiller wouldn't even be seeing or sensing these actions.

Add on his flight speed is faster then most bullets and projectiles, it would be almost impossible for Starkiller to keep up with Dante WHILE Kratos is a threat.

I highly doubt he could make it past 1 alive, let alone 3.

Point being? Dante wouldn't sense The Force. No, i'm not. Hancock can move SuperSonic speed (<=Mach 5 (5 times faster than sound).

Why wasn't he that fast in DMC2? When he flew away(cutscene)?

In that clip of him with the falling glass (Alastor), he is moving around.

Not to mention he can travel at Mach 2 speeds. Which isn't as fast as Hancock. But much faster then most bullets.

Originally posted by The Valiant
SuperSonic speed (<=Mach 5 (5 times faster than sound).

Supersonic speed is anything above Mach 1 and below mach 5.

When you get to Mach 5 you are moving at HYPERSONIC speed.

He was moving the sword around.

Where did you get this info about Nero's guns going this fast?

I'm worried about Dante. Because, from you point, he sounds to be touch much of a threat. Which is why he needs to take Kratos out first.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Um, sir, that is NOT supersonic speed.

Supersonic speed is anything above Mach 1 and below mach 5.

When you get to Mach 5 you are moving at HYPERSONIC speed.

WHATEVER IT IS, he is faster than Dante.

Originally posted by The Valiant
He was moving the sword around.

Where did you get this info about Nero's guns going this fast?

I'm worried about Dante. Because, from you point, he sounds to be touch much of a threat. Which is why he needs to take Kratos out first.

He pivoted a full 90 degrees, so basically he turned around REALLY REALLY FAST: he moved his legs really really fast.

I didn't mention Nero's gun.

Yeah, that is what i'm saying but I don't know much about Kratos so someone else would have to come up with something for him.

Not in reaction-time.

Movement, yeah.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
He pivoted a full 90 degrees, so basically he turned around REALLY REALLY FAST: he moved his legs really really fast.

I didn't mention Nero's gun.

Yeah, that is what i'm saying but I don't know much about Kratos so someone else would have to come up with something for him.

YouTube video Wouldn't it be easier if he just speed-blitzed his enemies? He must've moved his legs fast, if he turned on fire. He seemed NOT to be moving his legs at all, lol (or very little). So, bascially, you're saying he ("he"=Starkiller) isn't fast? I mean, Nero was able to keep up with Dante. YouTube video I admit if they hold blades, that would probably kill Galen.

My mistake.

Well, he could take Kratos up to the sky, and cut his head off or something.

@NemeBro: If I remember, we really haven't seen Hancock react to anything.

Off-Topic: You think he could run on water?

Originally posted by The Valiant
YouTube video Wouldn't it be easier if he just speed-blitzed his enemies? He must've moved his legs fast, if he turned on fire. He seemed NOT to be moving his legs at all, lol (or very little). So, bascially, you're saying he ("he"=Starkiller) isn't fast? I mean, Nero was able to keep up with Dante.

My mistake.

Well, he could take Kratos up to the sky, and cut his head off or something.

@NemeBro: If I remember, we really haven't seen Hancock react to anything.

Off-Topic: You think he could run on water?

Well, Starkiller is very fast as well, but nowhere near the speeds of Dante.

I was using that as a based point of his speed, like I said he turns around in that clip basically saying to me he can operate at those speeds.

But not including that he can also move at speeds of Mach 1 and 2 if the force can help him sense someone moving at that speed then he may have a chance here, but he can't take his concentration of Dante or Kratos for a second. He would literally need to take care of Dante and Kratos at the same time (i.e Crushing Dante and Kratos at the same time).

Off-topic: Probably, but i'm not sure of the speed required to do so xD.

Fair enough.

The only thing I know is that, with The Force, he knows what they are going to do. I don't now if can. Like said, he has two hands. Which is why I said he could take Kratos in the sky.

Actually, yes, Dante has. Mundus' energy spikes (which can cut thru anything), Vergil's energy swords, Beowulf's attacks, Lucifer, and his own wrist blades in the ST. " So, no. He couldn't decapitate him.

All that is assuming A) the magical realm of Demons is still ruled by the rules of the physical world, i.e. does the spiritual monster Dante becomes with the Devil Trigger still keep the same cellular rules, etc, if he even had the same cells as humans in the first place, B) that cuts the Apprentice lands will remain (which they won't, Dante will heal from any blow he lands), C) that the Apprentice would have enough time to think before Dante had already killed him (NO Force Adept, Sith or otherwise, can outmatch time control), and D) that Dante won't simply use his own telekinetic demon aura to negate the effect and riddle the Apprentice with hundreds of holes in seconds.

Like I already stated, magic (Which the Jackpot is) is an ethereal force that has no mitichlorians in it. If something is void of mitichlorians, the "Force" (a generalization for the manipulation of a mitochondriatic single cell organism) as well as a Force Adept, can do nothing to it.

Honestly, did this person even play the games? See: Quiksilver, Bangle of Time, Million Stab, Blade Macabre, Kick 13, Cerberus' combos, Air Rave, DMC3 mission 8 beginning cutscene or any other number of times when Dante moved faster than SOUND. (Or, again pointing to the Bangle of Time, how said speed faster than sound can be implemented in STOPPING TIME.)

Yeah, Dante stomps Starkiller. I forgot about his Demonic Aura.

Originally posted by The Valiant
No you didn't. He never fought Raziel in BO2. So? He still could have reformed. Sorry, Kain was injured so bad, that he was in a coma for 200 years. So he had to be hurt, physically.

Return? You just said he couldn't die. Which isn't allowed in the first place. Yeah, you claimed he couldn't die, but how did the Hylden Lord destroy his body so easily? He destroyed his body, and he ended up in the Spectral Realm (in other words, he died). "Life, Death, and Rebirth"-Elder God. If he is invulerable, how can he die? The only time he couldn't die is when he had the Soul Reaver.

If he is invulerable how can he die? Once again, this isn't allowed. Yeah, he still died. Just like when Kain throwed him into the Abyss. Kain was hurt so bad...that he was in a coma for 200 years. Durge wasn't even injured from the damage he took. He can only return, if he escapes the Spirit Realm (which anyone could probably do). It's not like he returns from nonething.

You ignored my point again, is there any point in replying to you? lol...no...And Raziel is no concern to Kain...and Kain was damaged or destroyed in BO2, and in both BO2 and in the fight with Raziel, Kain was knocked out for a duration so he could not reform, and woud not reform anyway.

He is already practically dead, and I said being knocked into spectorla is not a defeat for Raziel.

You never said Raziel returning was not allowed, perhaps you should remove half of your beloved Dantes powers since they can defeat Starkiller as well......

Either way, Kain has too much control over his structure to be defeated by Starkiller, he could destroy him merely by reforming inside of him. Splat!

My point exactly. You still haven't shown me when he can reform. "also BO2 Kain was knocked out, not killed or badly damaged physically. "

I don't remember you saying anything about being knocked into the Spectral Realm.

If he is "invincible" there wouldn't be a point in returning, Burning Thought. Maybe I should.

He would get his head popped. Why hasn't he shown to do this? Why hasn't he done this? Why didn't he do this throughout the LoK games?