Starkiller runs a gauntlet

Originally posted by The Valiant
My point exactly. You still haven't shown me when he can reform. "also BO2 Kain was knocked out, not killed or badly damaged physically. "

I don't remember you saying anything about being knocked into the Spectral Realm.

If he is "invincible" there wouldn't be a point in returning, Burning Thought. Maybe I should.

He would get his head popped. Why hasn't he shown to do this? Why hasn't he done this? Why didn't he do this throughout the LoK games?

wtf, he reforms all the time, from mist to flesh in an instant, he uses it as a form of dodge in Defiance and as a way to get over obstacles in Blood omen 1, he can also pass through objects such as gates while in this form.

Ive been referring to it all along, if Raziels body is destroyed, he will reform.

Being able to reform almost instantly from your physical form being destroyed is not really being killed, so in a way it is invincibility.

You mean the mist will be distorted by Maleks force powers, then Kain will reform back to his physical mass inside Malek, exploding him. And shown to do what exactley? transform into mist? ive shown this many times and its a basic ability used from the beginning of defiance.....

Not to mention I am debating this from the point of view that Galens reactions are instant and furthermore can use his force powers in that single reaction, but all the star wars films show us that this is not the case, even Yoda has to concentrate and even aim his hands in the direction for a few seconds before he can make objects levitate, let alone make someones head or body implode, take into account that person is moving physicaly quicker than most and it would be harder to concentrate at all, then take into account half the time Kain will be mist or teleporting, he will be literally immune to Maleks powers.

Show me. "Mist to dodge" isn't reforming.

Reform? He just returns to the Physical plane.

Prove he can. Why hasn't he shown to do this before?

If I remember, correctly, all he has to do is make a gesture. I mean, Kain was hit by Raziel, lol. Isn't The Force unescapable?

Originally posted by The Valiant
Show me. "Mist to dodge" isn't reforming.

Reform? He just returns to the Physical plane.

Prove he can. Why hasn't he shown to do this before?

If I remember, correctly, all he has to do is make a gesture. I mean, Kain was hit by Raziel, lol. Isn't The Force unescapable?

What so your telling me Kain stays as mist once he transforms? dont be ridiculous, he turns into mist, then he reforms physical.

yes, his body just becomes spectoral then he recreates it when he returns.

Prove what? stupid question, if Kain can reform from mist, which is obvious then the place where he does it may as well be inside Malek. I am just using an already excisting power/ability for a difrent purpose.

The force is like TK to me anyway, fact is Yoda has to concentrate, Dooku had to concentrate for about a second, anyone who thinks Malek is more powerful in the force than Yoda please step forward and give your reasons, i may not be a Star wars buff but I know full well yoda is supposed to be powerful, surely no apprentice of Darth vader is stronger than him in the force.

Your asking me like youve not seen star wars, I am sure anyone can recollect Luke skywalker, Yoda, Vader all having to concentrate, especially the first two.

with the force a jedi can SOMETIMES see into the future.

Originally posted by Burning thought

The force is like TK to me anyway, fact is Yoda has to concentrate, Dooku had to concentrate for about a second, anyone who thinks Malek is more powerful in the force than Yoda please step forward and give your reasons, i may not be a Star wars buff but I know full well yoda is supposed to be powerful, surely no apprentice of Darth vader is stronger than him in the force.

Your asking me like youve not seen star wars, I am sure anyone can recollect Luke skywalker, Yoda, Vader all having to concentrate, especially the first two.

i recollect

Originally posted by Burning thought
What so your telling me Kain stays as mist once he transforms? dont be ridiculous, he turns into mist, then he reforms physical.

yes, his body just becomes spectoral then he recreates it when he returns.

Prove what? stupid question, if Kain can reform from mist, which is obvious then the place where he does it may as well be inside Malek. I am just using an already excisting power/ability for a difrent purpose.

The force is like TK to me anyway, fact is Yoda has to concentrate, Dooku had to concentrate for about a second, anyone who thinks Malek is more powerful in the force than Yoda please step forward and give your reasons, i may not be a Star wars buff but I know full well yoda is supposed to be powerful, surely no apprentice of Darth vader is stronger than him in the force.

Your asking me like youve not seen star wars, I am sure anyone can recollect Luke skywalker, Yoda, Vader all having to concentrate, especially the first two.

No.

Exactly. You can't prove it. You can't prove: "Kain will reform back to his physical mass inside Malek, exploding him. " Hasn't shown to do this at all. I'm using Defiance-Kain. So? He only dodges attacks in mist form. Hell, you still haven't shown me where he reforms.

And? Dark-Side is more powerful than the "Light-Side" which was said by Lucas (no proof Yoda is more powerful). He probably is more powerful. Funny how you say they had to concentrate, but I was looking in the Kratos & Dante vs Kain thread, and you claimed Kain didn't need to focuse. Nice job being a hyprocrite. Just because Yoda had to concentrate doesn't mean Galen does. Yeah, he didn't have to concentrate throughout TFU. And the only time he DID, is when he brought down the Star Destroyer. He had to concentrate for about a second. Do you know how ****ing stupid you sound? He pops his head before he can do anything. He easily got hit by Raziel, and if he can mist, why didn't he do it

Originally posted by Burning thought
The force is like TK to me anyway, fact is Yoda has to concentrate, Dooku had to concentrate for about a second, anyone who thinks Malek is more powerful in the force than Yoda please step forward and give your reasons, i may not be a Star wars buff but I know full well yoda is supposed to be powerful, surely no apprentice of Darth vader is stronger than him in the force.

*Stepping forward*

Galen Marek is more powerful than Yoda in the Force.

starkiller is not stronger then yoda in the force canonically hes not even stronger then Vader in the force. lucasarts has said that starkiller is not even stronger then return of the jedi sideous in the force why would he be strogner then yoda who is sideous equal?

Possibly more powerful than Vader, considering his lost limbs and all.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
starkiller is not stronger then yoda in the force canonically hes not even stronger then Vader in the force. lucasarts has said that starkiller is not even stronger then return of the jedi sideous in the force why would he be strogner then yoda who is sideous equal?

He held his own briefly against Sidious.

Return of the Jedi Sidious is many years after ROTS.

thats bad logic.

he died against sideous. after the fight he was dead and sideous was completely unharmed. he wasnt bleeding or anything. he wasnt even breathing hard.

return of the jedi sideous is weaker then revenge of the sith sideous but returns sideous was still stronger then galen is my point. return of the sith sideous which is palpatines peak in strength aside from dark empire wasn't strong enough to defeat yoda in a force duel. so galen lost to the weaker version while yoda stalemated the stronger one.

In that form, yes. But remember, his initial midiclorian count as Anakin was far greater than what it was as Vader.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
thats bad logic.

he died against sideous. after the fight he was dead and sideous was completely unharmed. he wasnt bleeding or anything. he wasnt even breathing hard.

return of the jedi sideous is weaker then revenge of the sith sideous but returns sideous was still stronger then galen is my point. return of the sith sideous which is palpatines peak in strength aside from dark empire wasn't strong enough to defeat yoda in a force duel. so galen lost to the weaker version while yoda stalemated the stronger one.

2. Funny. I recall Galen Marek defeating Sidious at first, then when they clashed and Galen held back Palpatine's Force Lightning attempted to kill him in some pseudo-self destruct Force attack, which did fail.

3. Where was it stated RotJ Sidious was weaker than ROTS Sidious? And Yoda lost to Sidious.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Why? Galen Marek beat Vader, breaking his suit and whatnot. Vader lost. Clearly Galen is superior to Vader.

because he was in a different state when he fought both vader and sideous. the first time galen was powerless to resist vader shoving him out of an air-lock and he didn't gain any additional training for the second fight. and in that same fight vader embarrassed him several times with the force, at one point enveloping him in a tornado like thing and making him swirl around and shit.

2. Funny. I recall Galen Marek defeating Sidious at first, then when they clashed and Galen held back Palpatine's Force Lightning attempted to kill him in some pseudo-self destruct Force attack, which did fail.

you recall wrong. sideous was never in any danger.

3. Where was it stated RotJ Sidious was weaker than ROTS Sidious? And Yoda lost to Sidious.

yoda lost to sideous because he was standing on the edge... im not even gonna go over it lol here.

nm.

Didn't Vader have 8/10 of the Empereor's power? Starkiller topped everyone (even Durge).

whose durge?

In combat, Durge was a match for even Jedi Knights. His Gen'Dai abilities, coupled with his armor suit, allowed him to hold his own against almost any opponent. Durge's regenerative physique made him difficult to truly kill, and even when unarmed, with both hands chopped off, he presented a major threat to his enemies.Durge was incredibly strong. Once unleashed from his suit, he easily overpowered a squad of clone troopers trying to subdue him and was able to catch a swoop bike mid-flight and wield it as a club. He was no slouch in the speed department, as he could easily keep pace with skilled Jedi, dodging and blitzing even Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin SkywalkerDespite being hit with nine explosive charges in the face, he managed to keep fighting Anakin Skywalker in their duel above Maramere.

Google him for more info.

Haden Blackman: He has been said to be what Luke Skywalker would have been if he had joined Darth Vader.

"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force."

Shaak TI: "You are Vader's slave…but your power is wasted on him. You could be so much more."
Galen Marek was exceptionally strong in the Force, and had the potential to be one of the most powerful Force Adepts to have ever lived. The fact that Marek was able to defeat Jedi Master Shaak Ti and Sith Lord Darth Vader in lightsaber and Force duels demonstrate his superior abilities.

Originally posted by The Valiant
No.

Exactly. You can't prove it. You can't prove: "Kain will reform back to his physical mass inside Malek, exploding him. " Hasn't shown to do this at all. I'm using Defiance-Kain. So? He only dodges attacks in mist form. Hell, you still haven't shown me where he reforms.

And? Dark-Side is more powerful than the "Light-Side" which was said by Lucas (no proof Yoda is more powerful). He probably is more powerful. Funny how you say they had to concentrate, but I was looking in the Kratos & Dante vs Kain thread, and you claimed Kain didn't need to focuse. Nice job being a hyprocrite. Just because Yoda had to concentrate doesn't mean Galen does. Yeah, he didn't have to concentrate throughout TFU. And the only time he DID, is when he brought down the Star Destroyer. He had to concentrate for about a second. Do you know how ****ing stupid you sound? He pops his head before he can do anything. He easily got hit by Raziel, and if he can mist, why didn't he do it

Ofcourse I have, the act of transforming his particles into vapour THEN transforming them into his true form REFORMING back into his physical form is a feat of mastery and control over your physical form to a degree of transformation. Your not even listening to yourself, your asking for proof of Kain reforming when he has to reform in the first place otherwise he would be stuck in mist form, wally.....

Because Kain does not use the force lol......Go and find the evidence of Galen instantly using the force then 🙂

Stupid? definaltey not half as stupid as you....I dont assume Kain remains in mist form and does not reform, I dont play "silly bugger" all the time because I have no real arguments Gumachi...

Because he was not trying to fighht Raziel, PIS.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
whose durge?