Batman (Bale) vs Ozymandias

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
1. Nothing, bad example.

2. "Tails" was whatever Dent wanted it to be, otherwise why put it in the film? One of the main facets of the movie is escalation, and Dent proved himself no better than a thug.

3. Gothams infrastructure was corrupt because the mafia was supported by the government. If there was no coercive government, there would be no corruption that couldn't be dealt with by the regular people easier.

2. So that he could threaten the guy without having to take the chance of actually killing him? That was the entire point, genius. Yes, Dent became a thug, and a killer...Because of the Joker. The Joker made him that way, but your argument is that Dent even before that was not a decent man, which is bullshit and only displays your own ineptitude. Now please, get the fvck out of my internets.

3. Which has...What to do with Dent? Are you illiterate, or just a really shitty troll? This has nothing to do with Gotham's corrupt government, it is about Dent's "decency."

You're are the one trolling. After all, I'm not the one peddling cheap flames at people I don't agree with. I easily could, because you obviously know shit about verisimilitude. Dent was obviously going torture the guy unless he got the information quickly, which is made clear a number of times in that scene. Torture is never moral, even in the face of war.

Illiterate? You do know you used that word inappropriately in the context of your juncture. Forget it. Dent was inherently indecent because he was going to inforce martial law. He had no vision, he just wanted more power, you can see that in the film.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You're are the one trolling. After all, I'm not the one peddling cheap flames at people I don't agree with. I easily could, because you obviously know shit about verisimilitude. Dent was obviously going torture the guy unless he got the information quickly, which is made clear a number of times in that scene. Torture is never moral, even in the face of war.

Illiterate? You do know you used that word inappropriately in the context of your juncture. Forget it. Dent was inherently indecent because he was going to inforce martial law. He had no vision, he just wanted more power, you can see that in the film.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You're are the one trolling. After all, I'm not the one peddling cheap flames at people I don't agree with. I easily could, because you obviously know shit about verisimilitude. Dent was obviously going torture the guy unless he got the information quickly, which is made clear a number of times in that scene. Torture is never moral, even in the face of war.

Illiterate? You do know you used that word inappropriately in the context of your juncture. Forget it. Dent was inherently indecent because he was going to inforce martial law. He had no vision, he just wanted more power, you can see that in the film.

2. You clearly are either incapable of proper reading comprehension or you simply lack the ability to read. Because Gotham's government has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Stop bringing it up. Inforcing martial law to fix a factually corrupt and broken city is indecent? Wanted more power? Maybe from your misguided, warped perception he did, but from the eyes of any reasonably intelligent individual, no, he did not. The point of the character of Harvey Dent was that even a "golden boy" can be reduced to a thug and a killer under the right circumstances. That was ALWAYS the point of Dent.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Point, but the guy only pulled a gun so he could get Maroni is a mistrial. It wouldn't make sense to kill him in court.

Doesn't matter, he was still going to kill him.

Just proves my philosophy more that government is the problem. The mob wouldn't have had any authority had their been no city government to support them.

-And if someone pulls a gun on you, punching them in the face isn't a "dick move."

-No, he wasn't, as he wasn't two-face yet. He was trying to force the guy to talk through fear, due to extreme circumstances.

-And what does this have to do with Harvey Dent supposedly being scum? Nothing.

You're either too stupid to realize you're posting illogical and silly points over and over or doing it on purpose for whatever reasons, either way, just stop. If Dent was a scumbag, it would render the Joker and a huge section of the movie's plot senseless.

He was a just man, arguably one of the very few just men in Gotham and the Joker turned him evil. /the end

Originally posted by omgchos
Idk what you consider torture. Because dent was running a con on the guy. He fires a shot to show its loaded, then he tells the guy that if it lands on heads, he lives, otherwise he is dead. Having a double headed coin proves that he had absolutely no intention of harming him. And when was dent going to enforce martial law? He was making a reference to ceasar being like batman. He never said he agreed with martial law on its face. It was supposed to show that batman was meant to be temporary, like martial law. Until the day he is no longer needed.

Yeah he did, he obviously agreed with martial law. When he turned into Two Face, he rationalized that everyone was corrupt, and he was the only one who could set things right. It's not as if he just turned into an irrational monster.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Torture is never moral? What a naive, pitiful view. So torturing one individual who would be considered to be immoral already for the purpose of saving the lives of thousands, is immoral? Hahaha no. Not by logical standards it isn't. Especially considering he was never going to torture him.

You're the naive one if you don't think he'd resort to torture(Don't you read the news or understand history?), and you just contradicted yourself pardner. If torture is justified, then Dent SHOULD have had the balls to rough him up. What would he accomplish by just playing the guys bluff?

Originally posted by NemeBro 2. You clearly are either incapable of proper reading comprehension or you simply lack the ability to read. Because Gotham's government has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Stop bringing it up. Inforcing martial law to fix a factually corrupt and broken city is indecent? Wanted more power? Maybe from your misguided, warped perception he did, but from the eyes of any reasonably intelligent individual, no, he did not. The point of the character of Harvey Dent was that even a "golden boy" can be reduced to a thug and a killer under the right circumstances. That was ALWAYS the point of Dent. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The man was obviously insane, how much further could it have been until Dent slammed him with the butt of his gun? Or worse. He also had the double headed coin because he "Makes his own luck", or something dumb like that.

Yeah he did, he obviously agreed with martial law. When he turned into Two Face, he rationalized that everyone was corrupt, and he was the only one who could set things right. It's not as if he just turned into an irrational monster.

So you are making an assumption that he MIGHT have hit him with his gun.... that is flawed logic my friend. In this venue you can't make assumptions about on screen feats that never happened to prove points. All he ever did was trick him with the coin. And idk what point you were making about the coin, as i already pointed that fact out.

Ok see there you go again. You are trying to say he was corrupt BEFORE the joker ever got to him, yet you keep using post-joker instances to prove your point. He was using martial law as an analogy. And i don't even see what killing a bunch of corrupt cops and mobsters has to do with martial law. Your points are becoming nonsensical.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It has EVERYTHING to do with the discussion at hand. If the government didn't exist, the mafia would have had no way to enforce their crimes through corrupt police.

Hatch
Torture is never moral, even in the face of war.

This is neither here nor there; internet anarchist rarely know a thing about the political philosophy of anarchy, just use it as a self-title because they think it sounds cool, like many people do when spouting off about Ayn Rand and their views, it's really just a college-boy phase, usually.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is neither here nor there; internet anarchist rarely know a thing about the political philosophy of anarchy, just use it as a self-title because they think it sounds cool, like many people do when spouting off about Ayn Rand and their views, it's really just a college-boy phase, usually.

Francis hates Ayn Rand 😐

YouTube video

He hates her because he was left 4 dead with shitty graphics.

Hahaha, that was funny.

L4D has decent graphics IMO. Lighting was pretty well done.

Ok fine not shitty, just sub-par.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You're the naive one if you don't think he'd resort to torture(Don't you read the news or understand history?), and you just contradicted yourself pardner. If torture is justified, then Dent SHOULD have had the balls to rough him up. What would he accomplish by just playing the guys bluff?

It has EVERYTHING to do with the discussion at hand. If the government didn't exist, the mafia would have had no way to enforce their crimes through corrupt police.

2.And that has WHAT to do with Dent? Jesus Christ I find it hard to believe someone this fvcking stupid can exist, what are you 12? I know you probably feel cool calling yourself the big, bad anarchist, but you clearly do not know a thing about what you claim to be and keep on making anti-government claims as if you are just trying to remind us you are an anarchist. Even though it has no relevance.

Grow up kid.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Riiiiight, because the news or history are completely irrelevant in movies and the world of BATMAN. Torture is justifiable under those conditions, but not doing it does not make him any more immoral than doing it. What would he accomplish by doing it? Well gee, he could scare the guy into revealing information. Obviously. But the man was a schitzo and according to Batman, who read his files, the man would never cooperate, something Dent did not know.

2.And that has WHAT to do with Dent? Jesus Christ I find it hard to believe someone this fvcking stupid can exist, what are you 12? I know you probably feel cool calling yourself the big, bad anarchist, but you clearly do not know a thing about what you claim to be and keep on making anti-government claims as if you are just trying to remind us you are an anarchist. Even though it has no relevance.

Grow up kid.

2. Do you know what anarchism even is? It's a moral viewpoint that rulership can never be justified, not a bunch of teenagers throwing molotov cocktails into glass windows. I casually mentioned my moral viewpoint in the same way someone would express disgust at a pederast. TDK is partially about escalation and when it is justified to break the law. Clearly Gotham City is too corrupt to manage, so it you wonder they would continue with it. And stop the flaming, your insinuations are way off base.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is neither here nor there; internet anarchist rarely know a thing about the political philosophy of anarchy, just use it as a self-title because they think it sounds cool, like many people do when spouting off about Ayn Rand and their views, it's really just a college-boy phase, usually.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
1. I didn't have to read his file to know the guy was insane, and neither did you. PIS, plain and simple.

2. Do you know what anarchism even is? It's a moral viewpoint that rulership can never be justified, not a bunch of teenagers throwing molotov cocktails into glass windows. I casually mentioned my moral viewpoint in the same way someone would express disgust at a pederast. TDK is partially about escalation and when it is justified to break the law. Clearly Gotham City is too corrupt to manage, so it you wonder they would continue with it. And stop the flaming, your insinuations are way off base.

2. Which still has nothing to do with Dent being immoral...

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. ...PIS? For it to be PIS, it would have to be contradicting something previously established. Which it did not. You have know idea what you are talking about.

2. Which still has nothing to do with Dent being immoral...

PIS includes people doing nonsensical things when logic would suggest doing something else. The guy Dent was pointing a gun at was clearly insane, and if Dent didn't know, it's either PIS or stupidity.

It makes me wonder why he would even bother running for DA if he knew how corrupt it was. No one intelligent enters the political arena without knowing the old adage about absolute power. So only power hungry people would want to enter the Gotham City government in the first place.