Batman (Bale) vs Ozymandias

Started by Robtard12 pages

Yeah, except for stopping Joker's ultimate goal and capturing him, Joker did pretty well.

Well, I wouldn't say he actually stopped his last scheme, because in the end both boats didn't want to blow up the other, proving that unlike the Joker, people do have a conscious and won't "eat each other". But, in the end, to an extent, the Joker won in that he basically turned Batman into a villain in the public's eye by having him take the blame for Harvey's crimes.

He also accomplished his goal of turning Harvey Dent, the public hero of Gotham, their gold standard, into a killer like him.

Harvey Dent was anything but a righteous person.

The Joker made him break his One Rule. After a movie about how much Batman won't kill, he full on rugby-tackles Two-face off a ledge.

Yeah, Joker wins.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Harvey Dent was anything but a righteous person.
Nah.

Well if you're an anarchist like I am, he was a villain right from the start. 😉

Ans if you're a Zoroastrian like me, he was a hero. I'm so awesome.

Who does Ahura Mazda support in this fight?

Hard to say, as both Batman and Ozymandias ultimately fought towards order and peace.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Well if you're an anarchist like I am, he was a villain right from the start. 😉
Well if you are a Scientologist like me, your words are clearly a plot by Overlord Xenu attempted to confuse me and keep my Thetans forever trapped in this shell.

So stfu.

Ignoring the flaming wood, Dent was still an ignoble two face before his transformation.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Ignoring the flaming wood, Dent was still an ignoble two face before his transformation.

How so exactly?

Originally posted by Robtard
How so exactly?
He punched out a guy in court, almost shot a witness and was about to put Gotham City under martial law even before the Joker showed up. That's really dickish to me, he was just another power mad quasi despot.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He punched out a guy in court, almost shot a witness and was about to put Gotham City under martial law even before the Joker showed up. That's really dickish to me, he was just another power mad quasi despot.
He punched out a guy who tried to kill him.

Almost shooting a witness was due to the stress he was being put under by Joker, and IIRC it involved Rachel I believe.

As for martial law...Have you seen Gotham City? The place is a shithole.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He punched out a guy in court, almost shot a witness and was about to put Gotham City under martial law even before the Joker showed up. That's really dickish to me, he was just another power mad quasi despot.

Guy was going to kill him.

He was cracking due to extreme circumstances, he's only human.

He didn't, talking about something as an option and doing it is very different.

edit: Or basically what the bisexual above said.

If anyone here was in Dent's shoes they'd have done the same thing, most likely. The guy was under a shitload of pressure due to trying to fix up the city.

Originally posted by Robtard
Guy was going to kill him.

He was cracking due to extreme circumstances, he's only human.

He didn't, talking about something as an option and doing it is very different.

edit: Or basically what the bisexual above said.

Point, but the guy only pulled a gun so he could get Maroni is a mistrial. It wouldn't make sense to kill him in court.

Doesn't matter, he was still going to kill him.

Just proves my philosophy more that government is the problem. The mob wouldn't have had any authority had their been no city government to support them.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Point, but the guy only pulled a gun so he could get Maroni is a mistrial. It wouldn't make sense to kill him in court.

Doesn't matter, he was still going to kill him.

Just proves my philosophy more that government is the problem. The mob wouldn't have had any authority had their been no city government to support them.

1. What? I literally have no idea what you are saying.

2. Oh right, because we all know that real good, decent people are perfect and could never crack even a little with his lover's life in danger and with his city being terrorized by a madman, oh no. But here is the thing genius...DENT NEVER WAS GOING TO KILL HIM! 😱 He was leaving it up to his coin to decide...A double-headed coin, only if it landed on Tails would he kill him, which was impossible.

3. Gotham's entire infrastructure was corrupt, that does not discredit Dent AT ALL, in fact, he was trying to fight what Gotham had become and fix it, if anything it speaks well for him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. What? I literally have no idea what you are saying.

2. Oh right, because we all know that real good, decent people are perfect and could never crack even a little with his lover's life in danger and with his city being terrorized by a madman, oh no. But here is the thing genius...DENT NEVER WAS GOING TO KILL HIM! 😱 He was leaving it up to his coin to decide...A double-headed coin, only if it landed on Tails would he kill him, which was impossible.

3. Gotham's entire infrastructure was corrupt, that does not discredit Dent AT ALL, in fact, he was trying to fight what Gotham had become and fix it, if anything it speaks well for him.

1. Nothing, bad example.

2. "Tails" was whatever Dent wanted it to be, otherwise why put it in the film? One of the main facets of the movie is escalation, and Dent proved himself no better than a thug.

3. Gothams infrastructure was corrupt because the mafia was supported by the government. If there was no coercive government, there would be no corruption that couldn't be dealt with by the regular people easier.