Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Ra's Al Ghul and The Joker both have genius level intelligence and a lot of resources, and Scarecrow is in the same ball park. All three of them have a legitimate shot of fu*king up Ozymandias in a confrontation involving prep.And do you think Batman would try to fight Ozy without profiling him first?
1. Joker is just insane. Period. Good planner? Yes. Genius? Hell, no. Criminal genius? Maybe.
2. These bat-villains have no relevance in a fight with Ozy.
3. Ozy would, in fact, kill all 3 of these Bat-villains.
4. There is no prep-time in this Vs. Match, per the thread starter.
The thread starter say "Anything Goes". Doesn't that negate default thread requirements?
And btw, The Joker is a genius based on the gas grenade and untraceable poison he made, presumably. In additon to his BRILLIANT strategical skills and ability to organize. Ra's too, has about the same amount of influence as Ozy based on BB feats.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The thread starter say "Anything Goes". Doesn't that negate default thread requirements?And btw, The Joker is a genius based on the gas grenade and untraceable poison he made, presumably. In aditon to his BRILLIANT strategical skills and ability to organize. Ra's too, has about the same amount of influence as Ozy based on BB feats.
"Anything goes" usually means that there are no limitations to this fight scenario.
What gas grenade? What poison? There was NO mention in TDK of gas or poison.
Originally posted by Davis Bloome
I'm seriously laughing at the fact that people think Ozy would even come close to dominating this fight. He's faster than Batman, yes, but he's neither more skilled, nor is he stronger.
...Wait, you're serious?
Dude, he threw a full grown man out of a bullet proof window. Not to mention is extreme versatility with weapons and almost superhuman reflexes.
You're right. Ozymandias doesn't dominate this fight. He rules it with an iron fist.
First of all, Nite-Owl is actually based off of the Blue Beetle. All the Watchmen characters in fact were based off of characters DC had acquired from Charlston Comics. Rorschach is based off the Question, Dr. Manhattan is based off of Captain Atom, cannot remember the others.
Second of all, Batman out-prepping Adrian is laughable. Adrian in the film was able to come up with an intricate plan that fooled Dr. Manhattan for most of the film, fooled the planet, and brought the world from the verge of nuclear war and united it in peace. Adrian SHITS on Batman in the intellect and prep department.
Now, H2H...Lol. Silk Spectre II could beat Batman. Adrian showed far greater speed and strength, able to at least match power with Eddie "Comedian" Blake, who at the age of 67 was shattering stone pillars with his punches and was punching directly through walls, he also threw Blake through a window easily. It should be mentioned Blake is a very large man. Also, he caught a bullet, as well as physically besting both Rorschach and Nite-Owl. Adrian is also at least as skilled.
Adrian stomps.
Originally posted by NemeBroWhile I agree that the Watchmen are superior in H2H than Batman(Like I said when the movie came out: "No way are the Watchmen not metahumans", or something along those line), Batman would outprep Adrian.
First of all, Nite-Owl is actually based off of the Blue Beetle. All the Watchmen characters in fact were based off of characters DC had acquired from Charlston Comics. Rorschach is based off the Question, Dr. Manhattan is based off of Captain Atom, cannot remember the others.Second of all, Batman out-prepping Adrian is laughable. Adrian in the film was able to come up with an intricate plan that fooled Dr. Manhattan for most of the film, fooled the planet, and brought the world from the verge of nuclear war and united it in peace. Adrian SHITS on Batman in the intellect and prep department.
Now, H2H...Lol. Silk Spectre II could beat Batman. Adrian showed far greater speed and strength, able to at least match power with Eddie "Comedian" Blake, who at the age of 67 was shattering stone pillars with his punches and was punching directly through walls, he also threw Blake through a window easily. It should be mentioned Blake is a very large man. Also, he caught a bullet, as well as physically besting both Rorschach and Nite-Owl. Adrian is also at least as skilled.
Adrian stomps.
Read my posts, fooling Dr Manhattan was easy because Jon is a savant. Fooling the worlds government was easy because he's the worlds richest man, an American hero, and that they presupposed governments were distracted by the Cold War. It was a cake walk. Adrian would have to find Batman first, and discover his identity. Good luck Ozymandias, you're not going to find him.
Meanwhile, Batman is capable of locating people and uncovering plots. He also has gadgets and can build them himself too. He won't beat Ozy H2H, and Ozy won't know how to beat Batman because he can't find him.
Advantage: Bruce Wayne.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
While I agree that the Watchmen are superior in H2H than Batman(Like I said when the movie came out: "No way are the Watchmen not metahumans", or something along those line), Batman would outprep Adrian.Read my posts, fooling Dr Manhattan was easy because Jon is a savant. Fooling the worlds government was easy because he's the worlds richest man, an American hero, and that they presupposed governments were distracted by the Cold War. It was a cake walk. Adrian would have to find Batman first, and discover his identity. Good luck Ozymandias, you're not going to find him.
Meanwhile, Batman is capable of locating people and uncovering plots. He also has gadgets and can build them himself too. He won't beat Ozy H2H, and Ozy won't know how to beat Batman because he can't find him.
Advantage: Bruce Wayne.
Again: There is no prep here.
Where, and how, is Jon a savant?
This isn't a contest of detective skills. Who cares about secret identities?
We're talking..............about...............FIGHTS. Period.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
If Jon was a god like being, he would of known someone was trying to **** with him. One of his main powers is seeing the future. 😉Ra's Al Ghul and The Joker both have genius level intelligence and a lot of resources, and Scarecrow is in the same ball park. All three of them have a legitimate shot of fu*king up Ozymandias in a confrontation involving prep.
And do you think Batman would try to fight Ozy without profiling him first?
God-like doesn't mean "God", him being outsmarted despite his near omnipotence isn't a negative to Dr. Manhattan, it's a plus to Ozymandias' abilities.
And Dr. Manhattan would outsmart and destroy all of Batman's villains, all at the same time too. Another plus to Ozymandias gaining one over on Dr. Manhattan.
You keep bringing up this nonsense like it's one-sided. Would Ozymandias not profile Wayne in the same manner? He would and he would out-class him here too, as he's far smarter, so he'd out-prep Wayne.
You have no valid argument and every single point you've brought up has been obliterated by movie feats; you can't prove that Wayne has a single ability over Veidt, be it speed, strength, fighting prowess, wealth or intelligence. So just stop the nonsense.
Edit: I see you've now concede that Batman is not even on par with Ozy in H2H, so you've changed tactics to "he'd never find Batman." Which can easily be countered by the fact that Raj Al Ghul used his influence to uncover that Wayne was Batman, Raj has nothing on Veidt's abilities and resources. Hell, that weasely accountant discovered that Wayne was Batman.
Well, even if Batman doesn't get owned, he's still going to lose. Originally, I didn't take into account that Ozy lifted a 6'2, 240 lb man above his head and tossed him with ease. I'd say Batman would have better luck against someone like Nite Owl or against Rorscach, to which he'd likely win, but agaisnt Ozy he'd eventually lose.