Batman (Bale) vs Ozymandias

Originally posted by Robtard
God-like doesn't mean "God", him being outsmarted despite his near omnipotence isn't a negative to Dr. Manhattan, it's a plus to Ozymandias' abilities.

And Dr. Manhattan would outsmart and destroy all of Batman's villains, all at the same time too. Another plus to Ozymandias gaining one over on Dr. Manhattan.

You keep bringing up this nonsense like it's one-sided. Would Ozymandias not profile Wayne in the same manner? He would and he would out-class him here too, as he's far smarter, so he'd out-prep Wayne.

You have no valid argument and every single point you've brought up has been obliterated by movie feats; you can't prove that Wayne has a single ability over Veidt, be it speed, strength, fighting prowess, wealth or intelligence. So just stop the nonsense.

Edit: I see you've now concede that Batman is not even on par with Ozy in H2H, so you've changed tactics to "he'd never find Batman." Which can easily be countered by the fact that Raj Al Ghul used his influence to uncover that Wayne was Batman, Raj has nothing on Veidt's abilities and resources. Hell, that weasely accountant discovered that Wayne was Batman.

That's not the fight proposed, and I agree with you. Dr Manhattan potentially could beat anyone not intangible.

Movie feats. Wayne has shown consider skills in areas Adrian never did. He has shown to be prepared in every fight he goes into. He has been shown to have a mind near to or equaling Ozymandias(In my opinion surpassing Ozymandia).

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yes it is a negative. The reason Batman and Dr Doom(Among others, these just being my two favorite examples) outsmart god like beings and even the gods themselves in comics is because they are literally smarter than the gods or god like beings. Dr Manhattan never showed a brilliant thought or action in anything he ever did. He was a powerful joke. He's the stereotype of Superman as an overpowered idiot personified. Sure, he is good at specific fields, but he is incredibly naive. I'm being hard on Jon here, but I'm doing so to prove that it wasn't difficult for Adrian to trick him.

That's not the fight proposed, and I agree with you. Dr Manhattan potentially could beat anyone not intangible.

Movie feats. Wayne has shown consider skills in areas Adrian never did. He has shown to be prepared in every fight he goes into. He has been shown to have a mind near to or equaling Ozymandias(In my opinion surpassing Ozymandia).

No, you're foolishly dismissing Dr. Manhattan's abilities in some pathetic attempt to make your argument more valid. It's failing miserably and you're looking more and more petty.

Dr. Manhattan could out-think and outright destroy anyone Batman has faced in BB and TDK, which is the point as it pertains to Ozy being superior to Batman.

Again, you're not applying that same logic to Ozymandias, you're being biased. Batman still gets outwitted, one example was him being hit by the Scarecrow poison. Veidt was never outwitted, he planned a world-wise ruse, which included outsmarting a super-being able to see the future and his plan went exactly as planned.

What has Bale-Batman done in the intelligence section that makes him smarter than Veidt?

Originally posted by Robtard
No, you're foolishly dismissing Dr. Manhattan's abilities in some pathetic attempt to make your argument more valid. It's failing miserably and you're looking more and more petty.

Dr. Manhattan could out-think and outright destroy anyone Batman has faced in BB and TDK, which is the point as it pertains to Ozy being superior to Batman.

Again, you're not applying that same logic to Ozymandias, you're being biased. Batman still gets outwitted, one example was him being hit by the Scarecrow poison. Veidt was never outwitted, he planned a world-wise ruse, which included outsmarting a super-being able to see the future and his plan went exactly as planned.

What has Bale-Batman done in the intelligence section that makes him smarter than Veidt?

You're assuming that the Watchmen characters tried to stop Adrian. They didn't even TRY to know what Adrian was up to. No one. You are assuming that the Watchmen characters are as intelligent as Batman, and you're wrong on all accounts including movie feats.

I already list some of his feats. I wish he had more, because he should. It is more than adequate, however.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Not if he didn't see a reason to. He was all ready to stop Adrians plan and let WWIII begin. He doesn't care. Humans mean nothing to him, and the petty actions of Batman and the Scarecrow would be equivelent to us caring what happens to microbes on Ganymede.

You're assuming that the Watchmen characters tried to stop Adrian. They didn't even TRY to know what Adrian was up to. No one. You are assuming that the Watchmen characters are as intelligent as Batman, and you're wrong on all accounts including movie feats.

I already list some of his feats. I wish he had more, because he should. It is more than adequate, however.

He didn't care after a certain point, Veidt still out-smarted him. You can dance around this all you like, but the movie proves you wrong.

They did, but his plan was concocted perfectly, as it fooled them until the end. Even after they figured a part of it out, Night Owl, Rorschach and Silk Specter couldn't defeat him. He even temporarily took Manhattan out of the picture to buy himself time.

What you listed did not counter anything, Batman defeated Raj Al Ghul and the Joker doesn't surpass Veidt and his world-wide plan.

So you have nothing, or else you'd have a logical point to make. Just stop the nonsense.

Even manhattan called Ozy the smartest man in the world. He stated that he did infact outsmart him, but his "omnipotence" negated it.

Originally posted by Robtard
He didn't care after a certain point, Veidt still out-smarted him. You can dance around this all you like, but the movie proves you wrong.

They did, but his plan was concocted perfectly, as it fooled them until the end. Even after they figured a part of it out, Night Owl, Rorschach and Silk Specter couldn't defeat him. He even temporarily took Manhattan out of the picture to buy himself time.

What you listed did not counter anything, Batman defeated Raj Al Ghul and the Joker doesn't surpass Veidt and his world-wide plan.

So you have nothing, or else you'd have a logical point to make. Just stop the nonsense.

There is no prep here, get that through your thick head.

So a mod tells you there is no prep here and you contine to ignore it?

Fail....

Ozy stomps.

We'll see once the OP answers you scumbag.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You're evading my point. Dr Manhattan could have stopped Adrian, but he chose not to. He could have stopped him from investigating his plan and stopping him. The whole argument of Adrians actual feat rests on this. If Adrian was smarter, he would have found a way to steal Jons powers. Adrian has no other feats but being a superior fighter than Batman. Batman would negate this with prep.

You have no point for me to evade. Manhattan could have stopped him after he realized what Veidt was doing, doesn't counter that Veidt had already duped him, with giving people cancer Manhattan had been around to making that device that countered his future-sight ability.

You're stupidly assuming again, who knows if stealing Manhattan's powers is even possible to begin with.

Just stop, Veidt is clearly the smarter of the two and being so, would out-prep Batman. He orchestrated a world-wide ruse that brought about world peace, Wayne has nothing on this; you now this, as you still have yet to post a feat of Batman's that counters it and just continue ranting like a moron. Your whole argument consist of making bogus negative claims about Veidt and Manhattan, it's sad.

Either hes trolling or just very bias.

Probably a combo of both.

Originally posted by Robtard
You have no point for me to evade. Manhattan could have stopped him after he realized what Veidt was doing, doesn't counter that Veidt had already duped him, with giving people cancer Manhattan had been around to making that device that countered his future-sight ability.

You're stupidly assuming again, who knows if stealing Manhattan's powers is even possible to begin with.

Just stop, Veidt is clearly the smarter of the two and being so, would out-prep Batman. He orchestrated a world-wide ruse that brought about world peace, Wayne has nothing on this; you now this, as you still have yet to post a feat of Batman's that counters it and just continue ranting like a moron. Your whole argument consist of making bogus negative claims about Veidt and Manhattan, it's sad.

It was just an example to point out what a legitimate feat would be for the Watchmen characters. It is dubious that Adrian did much of anything.

He is the smarter of the two because he is said to be by the author through the characters. That's not a movie feat, and not compatible with the rules of the forum. I am not making bogus claims as I said Batman would lose H2H. I admit that he would lose without prep. He, however, has shown what he can do with prep against people activly trying to "beat" him.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
🤨 So you're saying that it's a feat for Adrian when no one was making any effort to stop him? Jon was dense enough not to investigate his own powers for the 26 or so years since he had his powers. Wouldn't you investigate yourself father if you were capable of what he was, now that it is all at your will? He was a savant.

It was just an example to point out what a legitimate feat would be for the Watchmen characters. It is dubious that Adrian did much of anything.

He is the smarter of the two because he is said to be by the author through the characters. That's not a movie feat, and not compatible with the rules of the forum. I am not making bogus claims as I said Batman would lose H2H. I admit that he would lose without prep. He, however, has shown what he can do with prep against people activly trying to "beat" him.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
🤨 So you're saying that it's a feat for Adrian when no one was making any effort to stop him? Jon was dense enough not to investigate his own powers for the 26 or so years since he had his powers. Wouldn't you investigate yourself father if you were capable of what he was, now that it is all at your will? He was a savant.

It was just an example to point out what a legitimate feat would be for the Watchmen characters. It is dubious that Adrian did much of anything.

He is the smarter of the two because he is said to be by the author through the characters. That's not a movie feat, and not compatible with the rules of the forum. I am not making bogus claims as I said Batman would lose H2H. I admit that he would lose without prep. He, however, has shown what he can do with prep against people activly trying to "beat" him.

Manhattan believed his inability to see the future meant a nuclear holocaust had/will happen in the future(as the world was on the brink of war), which is what Veidt wanted him to believe; it worked, flawlessly.What proof do you have the Manhattan is "dense" or even a "savant"? None.

You didn't pay attention to the movie, did you, or you are just trolling? If Veidt didn't "do much of anything", there wouldn't have been a story.

You are making b.s. claims. Veidt with prep fooled the entire planet and a super-being, Batman beat Raj Al Ghul, the Scarecrow and the Joker, he also had Fox helping him many a time.

Again, your argument is laughable, just stop.

Originally posted by omgchos
How the hell would he prepare for an asskicking? Tie a pillow around his waist? I mean what can he honestly do. He can't shoot him because hell dodge it. He can't outfight him by your own ommision. What exactly is he supposed to be able to do with prep?

There's nothing he can do to prepare for a fight with Ozy. At most he can train harder than he normally does, but he's not likely to get strong enough or better to the point where he can last incredibly long against Ozy. Ozy is just going to kick his ass, plain & simple. Even with a year of training prep I don't see it doing Batman any good.

Originally posted by omgchos
How the hell would he prepare for an asskicking? Tie a pillow around his waist? I mean what can he honestly do. He can't shoot him because hell dodge it. He can't outfight him by your own ommision. What exactly is he supposed to be able to do with prep?

"Batman has shown to figure out labyrinthian schemes within seconds of hearing them."

What movie feat(s) do you ascribe this to?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Batman would investigate Veidt, choose the arena and set up an operation because of Batmans superior stealth. Ozymandias is a publically known individual, so this will be even easier. If prep is allowed, it depends on how much prep. It wouldn't really matter though because Batman has shown to figure out labyrinthian schemes within seconds of hearing them. If the OP says there is no prep allowed, I will willingly concede that Veidt wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
Manhattan believed his inability to see the future meant a nuclear holocaust had/will happen in the future(as the world was on the brink of war), which is what Veidt wanted him to believe; it worked, flawlessly.What proof do you have the Manhattan is "dense" or even a "savant"? None.

You didn't pay attention to the movie, did you, or you are just trolling? If Veidt didn't "do much of anything", there wouldn't have been a story.

You are making b.s. claims. Veidt with prep fooled the entire planet and a super-being, Batman beat Raj Al Ghul, the Scarecrow and the Joker, he also had Fox helping him many a time.

Again, your argument is laughable, just stop.

In the context of this fight, Batman has done more.

Rorschach figured out what was going on before he left for Antarctica. Batman is at least as skilled a detective, you can see this in both BB and TDK. Unlike Rorschach, Batman has better tools.

Originally posted by omgchos
Ok we ARE talking about movie batman right. He may have been smarter than the average person, but Ozy is said by mister manhattan to be the smartest person in the world. And you have not answered my question. Exactly what arena would allow him to beat the fastest strongest smartest man in the world.