Originally posted by truejedi
But we saw it. It wasn't a narrator. (which we destroy all the time here as exaggerating, for exampe, Nick Rostu and Kreia are not trusted narrators.) So yes, in these cases, where we see it onscreen, we can definitly say it happened.
I'm sorry, but you don't seem to have an idea about the concept of narration, especially not in the context of moving pictures. It's all fiction. Even following the suspension of disbelief method (which has to be applied some cases to talk about fiction), the fact remains that even the screen doesn't have to show anything "as it really happened". As former LFL official Chris Cherasi put it:
"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play.[...]The particular attributes of individual media also come into play."
In context of a source that is specifically designed to appeal to children one shouldn't expect "storytelling for adults". Especially not by a director who is known for his exaggerated style. You, apparently, do. LFL apparently doesn't, as the T-Canon Clone Wars series (with the T-Canon status just being given to the new animated series - not to the cartoons) director David Filoni makes clear here:
"The 2003 series was very exaggerated, not just in design but in its storytelling and action. We chose to stay more in the Star Wars universe for our Jedi powers so that The Clone Wars film and TV series will hook up with the live-action movies George made before."
Holy shit. So the next LFL employee tells us that the 2003 CW cartoons featured exaggerated action. But that can't be the case, because "we've seen it", right?
You may want to watch some more movies. The camera doesn't have to show the "reality" as it is. Have you ever seen "Natural Born Killers" by Oliver Stone? I'm rather sure that the protagonists weren't driving under a sky featuring rear projections and I'm also rather sure that there wasn't sitcom style laughter to be heared through-out Mallory's teenager days. I'm pretty sure that their universe didn't fade into black and white pictures or changed into an Anime every now and then.
Yet, the camera does show all of that. Does it turn those things into reality? Nope. Those are elements of the storytelling that is done through the camera. The narrator is the one that uses the camera and decides, what is shown. That's why we have to put certain things into context. The action, as shown in the CW cartoon doesn't fit the rest of the SW sources. Of course, we have some brute force uses at certain points (most recently the TUF II trailers), but even those are later put into context (via novels for example).
This does not mean that the Jedi absolutely can't perform the actions that they did perform in the Clone Wars. I don't see why Yoda wouldn't be able to force push some droid ships, or lift the remains of the temple on Illum, when his inferior Mace Windu can stop a landslide, while balancing on it and hold some steamcrawler in his grip simultaniously ("Shatterpoint"😉. Likewise I don't see why Mace should have problems in destroying droids with the force (as he also does during the Battle of Ryloth in the new animated series) or putting his fists through them (it's said in "Shatterpoint" that he can shatter corusca gems - the SW universes equivalent for diamonds - with a mere touch, thanks to his Shatterpoint ability. And we have Kenobi bending Grievous' durasteel chest armor with his bare hands).
And this what the point: Put things into context, instead of just repeating "but we saw / read / heared it, so it's canon" (which you just did). Because not only doesn't that make sense from a perspection of analysis when taking all sources into consideration (none even coming close to the CWC in terms of force action - not even TUF) - it's also a modus operandi outright questioned or contradicted by the comments of LFL employees on LFLs own canon policy.
In short: You lose.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Borbarad is making shit up claiming that the creator of the cartoon said the feats were exaggerated, when the creator actually said that is what they were capable of if they releashed their full power.
I'm brought in two sources now. One outright proclaiming that the action was exaggerated - a view that, today at least, seems to be shared by George Lucas himself, given that he - having the means to do anything he wanted in the animation - decided not to show action as it's shown in the CW cartoon.
And it's nice that I'm making shit up, where you have given us hard evidence for your claim...oh, wait a second. Actually, you haven't. And you've also not disproven my claim. You're arguing out of your memory - as am I, which I outright stated. Maybe you want to try and read first and then think before hitting the reply button?
I said that I would need to rewatch the DVD, but I'm fairly sure that before he proclaims that Lucas liked the action, he said that it was exaggerated, especially when compared to the movies. Do you want to deny that? You have to be blind to do so. And do you really want to argue that the CWC shows what the Jedi can do when "unleashing their powers"? So am I supposed to believe that they were "holding back" in all other sources, when superhuman feats like the ones depicted in the CWC could easily have saved the day? That, in very simple words, doesn't make any sense.
If Mace's battle on Dantooine was exaggerated, then the battle itself would be considered non-canon, unless Borbarad can prove that Windu either had help or he used some other method other than just the force. Until then: What we see onscreen >>>> His word. If he wants to claim that Yoda might have smashed smaller ships then what was shown onscreen, then he is contraticting what was shown as truejedi said.
Oh my god.
You can't be that dense. Really. How does exaggeration of an event in one source render the event void? Herodot heavily exaggareted the amount of troops Xerxes used in the Battle at Thermopylae (turning about 50,000 soldiers into 5 million), but that doesn't mean the battle didn't happen at all.
In the same way, the Battle on Dantooine is mentioned in various other sources (Labyrinth of Evil, The New Essential Chronology) and, without doubt, Mace was the force that did decide the outcome of that fight. Does that mean it must have happened exactly as the CW Cartoon shows it? Nope. Is it even likely that it happened as the CW Cartoon shows it? Following the comments above and taking all other sources on the Jedi into consideration, that is actually quite unlikely.
Does that mean that Mace can't destroy droids with the force or punch through them? No. He did both (or rather than that, similar things) in other sources. And that was what I was trying to force into your heads the entire time: Don't ignore the context (which would be all other SW sources here) and use other sources to prove your claims. Got it now?