I can be convinced that some of it was exaggerated as far as the speed and ease in which the feats were performed, but the fact remains that the feats were still done.
The battle of Dantooine consisted of a huge siesmic tank which usually holds hundreds of battle droids. Mace was the only one there to take them all on by himself. During the battle Mace lost his saber and had to rely on heavy force usage and his bare hands. Maybe it did take him a lot longer than 5 minutes to wipe them all out. But he did solo the entire army and the seismic tank (alone), and that is canon. Same way with Yoda, he did destroy those landing crafts with the force unless Lucas says other wise.
That's like me saying General Grievous did not solo Mundi, Ti, and them other jedi since he was not able to in the new series, when there is more proof that he did. We can not pick and choose which feats we want as canon.
@POWER:
Filoni is not a source. He does not decide what he wants as canon. And Lucas NEVER said the feats were exaggerated.
@Borbarad:
You said the creator said that the feats in his cartoons were exaggerated, but when I questioned your claim you turned around and said you would have to rewatch it and that you are arguing out of memory. That is bull (lol). You and I both know that the creator never made this claim in his commentary.
Here is what you wrote:
If something is exeggerated and we know that it is, because the creator of a piece of canon told us himself (as it happens in the Clone Wars Volume I DVD commentary), then we do have to think about what is exeggerated and to what extend the original storyline (the basic canon) has been altered.
How do you know if the amount of droids he destroyed wasn't exeggerated, if the only source showing this battle is one that's creator proclaimed to feature exeggerations? Maybe he just destroyed one droid using his fists. Maybe he didn't do that at all.
I tell you a story. Then I tell you that the story featured some exeggerations. After I did that, you proclaim I presented the absolute and undenyable truth to you. You don't see any lack in terms of reasoning here? Then it's not me who fails here...hard.
Do not talk about my reading comprehension because I read that just fine. You were willing to let everyone just take your word for it, until I questioned it.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, no, I'm not that buying that. Mace Force-f*cked those droids, Yoda Force-f*cked those landing craft.
Believe what you want.. Dave Filoni's words mean more than yours.
He's very clearly stated in the quote above that the action and powers in that micro series were seriously exaggerated.
He's clearly said there you cant have One Jedi taking out hundreds of droids.
Its time you gave up your argument now, otherwise your just arguing out of arrogance.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I can be convinced that some of it was exaggerated as far as the speed and ease in which the feats were performed, but the fact remains that the feats were still done.
If they were exaggerated then thats that. We only have a vague idea of what really happened there. It would be me Playing Force Unleashed as Starkiller and saying thats exactly as that happened.
Nooooo... I would be killing way more stormtroopers, doing exaggerated moves. That would give someone a very vague idea of what actually happened. Certainly nothing you can use in an argument.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
@POWER:Filoni is not a source. He does not decide what he wants as canon. And Lucas NEVER said the feats were exaggerated.
Seriously you guys just cant accept when your wrong can you??
Filoni, the guy creating the newest, biggest and most major T-Canon source to date, working daily with Lucas showing exactly what he wants is not a source?? Really??
Grow up and admit when your wrong. You'll gain more respect in life that way.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERBut the Force Unleashed guys say you can? They too admitted the powers were "crazy over-the-top". But Marek (and Clone) still killed all those guys. I'd rather hear Leland Chee's opinion than Filoni's. Unless of course Filoni has been authorized to determine what's canon or not.
Believe what you want.. Dave Filoni's words mean more than yours.He's very clearly stated in the quote above that the action and powers in that micro series were seriously exaggerated.
He's clearly said there you cant have One Jedi taking out hundreds of droids.
Let me ask you this then: did Yoda telekinetically destroy two landing craft?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But the Force Unleashed guys say you can?
Can what?? What exactly did they say?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They too admitted the powers were "crazy over-the-top". But Marek (and Clone) still killed all those guys.
Did they say we've exaggerated the story and action? Because thats exactly how Filoni has described the micro series.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'd rather hear Leland Chee's opinion than Filoni's. Unless of course Filoni has been authorized to determine what's canon or not.
His show has been authorized as T-Canon. Just below the movies. Certainly above TFU. So yeah thats pretty big. Id rather take the guy making a show ranked just below G-Canon, creating the Star Wars Universe exactly how Lucas wants it.
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Originally posted by Lord LucienLet me ask you this then: did Yoda telekinetically destroy two landing craft?
Within a story where we know the story and action are greatly exaggerated... Who knows?? If he did it probably wuldnt have been the way the micro series showed it.
But what I do know is he did no such thing in the first episode of the new animation on Toydaria. Instead he was taking out droids commando style, and needed help from the clone troopers to take out the destroyer droids.. Hmmmm
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI just said they described the Force Unleashed as "crazy, over-the-top". And within C-canon.
Can what?? What exactly did they say?
Originally posted by DARTH POWERAnd he's a champ. But is he authorized to say what belongs in the continuity? That's all I care about.
Did they say we've exaggerated the story and action? Because thats exactly how Filoni has described the micro series.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYou'd rather take him over what? That's a dangling participle. Either way, the creator of the show can say what he wants, but what I care about is his position within LucasArts. If he is authorized to dictate canon, then he's in. And if he is, I want to know exactly what the "exaggeration" entails. If Yoda's powers are exaggerated, than what's the alternative. That's key here. He brought down those landing craft. It happened. There's no getting around that. But if it's officially an exaggerated act, than what is the reality of the situation?
His show has been authorized as T-Canon. Just below the movies. Certainly above TFU. So yeah thats pretty big. Id rather take the guy making a show ranked just below G-Canon, creating the Star Wars Universe exactly how Lucas wants it.
That's the answer I want and have yet received.
Oh, if what Nai says is true, the Clone Wars cartoon is C-canon.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSo what DID happen? Until we have that answered by someone from LucasArts authorized to say so, we're in no position to omit it.
Within a story where we know the story and action are greatly exaggerated... Who knows?? If he did it probably wuldnt have been the way the micro series showed it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER"Hmmmm" what? You're implying there's some sort of linchpin discrepancy. There's not. Star Wars has more of them that are unsettled. Luke's Demi-God powers being unable to overcome a destroyer droid, for example. The RotS script counteracting Yoda' stated intentions. Vader's immense powers and defensive/pain threshold in TFU plummeting in the OT. Grievous' accent.
But what I do know is he did no such thing in the first episode of the new animation on Toydaria. Instead he was taking out droids commando style, and needed help from the clone troopers to take out the destroyer droids.. Hmmmm
I'll say it... again: until a LucasArts employee with the power to dictate canon so says, then we have to accept the discrepancies... or rather, ignore them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Im sure he culd given time and his "size matters not" philosophy..But in terms of a combat situation, doenst look like it.
He took on droids in the first episode of the new animation on toydaria I think.
He had to take them out commando style.. Would have been much easier for him if he just sent hundreds of them all flying with massive shock waves like he does in the cw mini.. even easier if he could just toss their ship around..
Also if I remember correctly in the cw mini he just lifts a whole load of destroyer droids, whilst in the new animation he takes on about 4 of them(i think) but needs the clone troopers help to take them out.
Characters in Star Wars fluctuate constantly but they remain the same character. It's not because Luke seemed less powerful at times that all other times when he was more powerful can be ignored...
What you're saying is an inconsistency, not a direct contradiction.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Did or did not [b]George Lucas say that the Jedi in the CW mini were depicted as he envisioned them (one man armies)? If so, then there's no point arguing this any further (i.e. game over). To hell with Filoni and everyone else. [/B]
I believe he said thats how he "originally" envisioned them. Which doesnt mean squat because thats not how he made them in the end.
He originally envisioned Luke Skywalker being called Luke Starkiller. But that means squat because in the end he called him Skywalker.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Characters in Star Wars fluctuate constantly but they remain the same character. It's not because Luke seemed less powerful at times that all other times when he was more powerful can be ignored...What you're saying is an inconsistency, not a direct contradiction.
Yoda and Mace in the cw mini was not a small inconsistency.
They were on a completely different power level, which is a contradiction to not only the higher level canon, but to pretty much the rest of the Star Wars Universe in which they are depicted.
From Filoni's above statement hes made it clear a Jedi cant do those things that were shown in the cw mini. They're not gods.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yoda and Mace in the cw mini was not a small inconsistency.They were on a completely different power level, which is a contradiction to not only the higher level canon, but to pretty much the rest of the Star Wars Universe in which they are depicted.
From Filoni's above statement hes made it clear a Jedi cant do those things that were shown in the cw mini. They're not gods.
Is Luke a "god" (regardless of being a Skywalker)? How about Sidious?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I just said they described the Force Unleashed as "crazy, over-the-top". And within C-canon.
And we were given an explanation. This guy (starkiller) is going to be what Luke would have been had he been trained by Vader as a child.
Plus this was gna be the Sith going all out not holding back. It wasnt gna be an exaggerated kids cartoon. And you do realise the gameplay itself aint canon right?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And he's a champ. But is he authorized to say what belongs in the continuity? That's all I care about.
He's creating the biggest T-Canon show to date alongside Lucas. At the very least he knows what Jedis are capable of because he depicts their powers, and making it much closer to the G-Canon sources than the other show.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If Yoda's powers are exaggerated, than what's the alternative. That's key here. He brought down those landing craft. It happened. There's no getting around that. But if it's officially an exaggerated act, than what is the reality of the situation?
I dnt knw.. We've not seen it.. Probably never will, unless they publish a novel depicting the same event. Just because we dnt knw, doesnt mean we have to acccept what we saw.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Oh, if what Nai says is true, the Clone Wars cartoon is [b]C-canon. [/B]
Which is below G and T canon.. So anything in it that contradcits those shows is non-canon.
Thats why it isnt canon anymore that Ki-Adi-Mundi was appointed to the Council without being given mastership. Or that Ventress and Maul are from different planets. Because G- Canon and T-Canon have ruled those C-Canon facts out. End Of. Theres a reason to the order of canonicity which you dnt seem to get.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So what DID happen? Until we have that answered by someone from LucasArts authorized to say so, we're in no position to omit it.
No wrong. Just because we dnt see exactly wat happened doesnt mean you can accept the Clearly Exaggerrated versions as fact.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"Hmmmm" what? You're implying there's some sort of linchpin discrepancy. There's not. Star Wars has more of them that are unsettled. Luke's Demi-God powers being unable to overcome a destroyer droid, for example. The RotS script counteracting Yoda' stated intentions. Vader's immense powers and defensive/pain threshold in TFU plummeting in the OT. Grievous' accent.
1. Luke has immense power but probably still hasnt learned complete control at all times. Especially if he's anything like his Father, who goes from getting beat by Ventress to almost Stalemating Dooku in Sabers in the same movie.
Not to mention Lucas has had absolutely nothing to do with anything Post Return of the Jedi. So its all written by completely different authors, so theres bound to be discrepencies in all the C-Canon Post Jedi stuff.
2. The ROTS script is probably just a confusion of sorts with no enough info given on Yoda's specific intentions and corresponding actions.
3. TFU doesnt go against ANH, because we never saw Vader go all out in ANH. He had no need to, he was fighting an old man, and enjoying humiliating him. Not One of the greatest Force wielders of all time. And just because it didnt "Look" Spectacular doesnt mean anything.
However non of the above compares to the Massive difference of Yoda and Mace's Force powers in the cw mini, and everything above that in Canon. Especially considering these are both experineced Jedi Masters in pretty much Control of their powers. And also considering theyve been in situations in the G and T canon sources where they could have used those AMAZING CW mini Powers! LOL
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'll say it... again: until a LucasArts employee with the power to dictate canon so says, then we have to accept the discrepancies... or rather, ignore them.
Urm No For the Final Time Filoni's pretty big, being in charge of the T-canon show means his statements mean a lot. Its you who needs to provide a quote from someone with more authority than him.