Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet Dooku had no problems in dealing with Yoda's strength, in direct comparison to the considerable and highlighted difficulty he had with Anakin, whose strength is weaker than someone who has strength like the above (Anakin's best feat iirc is ripping apart some random droid in Sithisis).
He had no problems with Yoda's strength? He ran from Yoda twice, if I didn't get something wrong with the AotC script claiming that Yoda was "battering his defense" once he started fighting. And I didn't see Dooku having any difficulties with Anakin's strength. The movie shows Dooku blocking Anakin and Kenobi simultaneously and lets him fence off Anakin's swings even in the last seconds of the fight. That the less-canon novel proclaims something else is not my problem. It doesn't happen on screen, so it didn't happen at all.
Plus I question the canonicity of the source. The Clone Wars adventure books are non-canon iirc. I can't find any link to LucasArts for example.
I hope you know that LucasArts is responsible for computer games, so they don't deal with comics. For the Clone Wars Adventures: They are an official product running under SW licensing, which means that LFL has an eye on it. You don't like it? Who cares? As long as you don't bring anything to the table to put the canon status into question, those comics are C-canon.
I don't know. I don't know how much the feat would be affected by being in space. Jinsoku Takai knows a lot about it though, so try him.
So you're trying to argue something while openly stating that you don't have an idea about what you're arguing? Nice.
But its probably more than the first two feats, its not too hard to cause an avalanche and Durasteel wieghs and has more mass than the rock of the temple, so it'll be harder to move.
Really? Care to give us the source that lists the density of durasteel, because I've never seen anything like that. It doesn't have to be more heavy than stone in order to be more durable. And we're not talking about density but about durability. An 80 kilogram block of styrofoam can support about 20 tons of steel, despite the fact that styrofoam consists of 98 % air.
Dunno about the transports, but given a Star Destroyers sheer size, probably.
The transports have a width of 370 and a length of 210 metres. And contrary to Marek, Yoda did first force push the complacement coming out of the ships back into the transports, then lifted the transports and crashed them against eachother - while operating on a planet sporting a regular gravitation. So he had to lift the entire mass agains the gravitational pull of the planet, which would, without doubt, be a little more tricky than turning an object in space.
Star Wars energy generators generally give off massive amounts of energy, which you should recall from your excursion into the Star Trek forum.
Oh. I'm pretty aware of that fact.
What you don't seem to be aware of, is the fact, that we don't know how powerful the generator we saw was, or if it was something useful at all. Why would somebody generate a huge amount of energy just to pass it into some electricity pylons? What was the energy needed for? How much energy was generated at all?
You don't have an answer to those questions. Thusly, you're basically arguing like "Gee. That looked awesome, so Vader must be uber".
Its notable that the lightning Galen was using appeared to be of such intensity that he was having trouble containing it. This is notable becuase Mareks FLightning is enough to down an AT-ST, so that and him preferring that over his own lightning is a good indication of power. Though really I'd prefer to wait until I can read the book before further commenting.
a) Marek bringing down an AT-ST with force lightning alone? Can you remind me, where exactly that happened? The only fight against an AT-ST I recall from TUF is the one in the TIE Fighter facility. And later he fights Captain Ozzik Sturn who sits in an modified AT-ST (AT-KT) on Kashyyyk. As far as I recall, he did quite more than just using force lightning in those incidents.
b) You're arguing in circles. The lightning must be powerful, because Galen has trouble containing it? So Galen must be powerful, because otherwise his trouble to contain the lightning wouldn't be anything special. You use the thing you want to prove as premise for the argument you make.
c) You ignore the circumstances of this incident. Galen and Vader have dealt severe blows with the force to each other before. Vader flung Galen out of the window, Galen force pushed Vader to the pylons, Vader threw Galen over the platform, Galen did cut Vader's arm off, Vader threw one of the pylons on Starkiller, who countered that attack in the same manner.
It's quite clear, that after that kind of intense fighting, none of the two would be in top shape any longer. This might be the explanation why Galen doesn't thrust his own power and decides to use the energy from the outside source in order to overcome his master.
d) The most basic thing is that you (and other people) keep ignoring Vader's suit. Vader is completely isolated from his enviroment. His suit is an airtight mixture of plastoids and armorplates. The plastoids wouldn't be good contuctors, and we know that Durasteel doesn't conduct energy too well. The point? Vader's suit would isolate him from any kind of electricity, with the only things that might be damaged are the life support control at the front and the comm-system on the back of his suit.
So what is so special about him surviving electricity or force lightning getting directed at him? He basically lives in a freaking faraday cage.
Jedi are above humans and have means of protencting themselves, so lightning usually killing them doesn't really mean much. I know Sids lightning is powerful, I was just saying this is another example.
Great. I present proof why the instance of frying Vader was nothing special, and you counter with "Oh. Yeah. I know it was powerful. This is another instance." Good god.
Sidious lightning might be powerful, but him killing Vader with it is the worst possible incident to prove it's power. Vader was kept alive by an electronic system, which control was on the outside of his suit. And even that kept working after the assault of the Emperor. This damage could be done with any form of electricity generating an overcurrent in his breather, where a rather low amount of energy might be sufficient to do that job.
@Lucien:
So, what conclusion has been reached besides the "context" point?
The point was, that one can't argue based on showings from the CW cartoon, as those showings are exaggerations of what "really happened" inside the SW universe. Instead, use other sources to get the job done.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But the Force Unleashed guys say you can? They too admitted the powers were "crazy over-the-top". But Marek (and Clone) still killed all those guys.
What "guys" are you talking about? Marek certainly didn't kill as many people as the gameplay makes it seem. Much like Kyle Katarn, the Exile or Revan before him. It's simply unreasonable to assume that a Jedi (or Sith for that matter) would rush into every possible combat scenario, while being equipped with a plethora of abilities to avoid combat.
@Darth Power:
Also if I remember correctly in the cw mini he just lifts a whole load of destroyer droids, whilst in the new animation he takes on about 4 of them(i think) but needs the clone troopers help to take them out.
You should rewatch the first episode of the new animated series. During his mission on Rugosa, Yoda first destroys a squad of normal battledroids without even igniting his lightsaber. Then he does the same again with a squad of super battle droids (lifting one of them and making him use his weapons against the others). After this, he takes it up with the rest of Asajj Ventress forces, destroying several droid tanks and dozens of droids on one occassion. The only thing he doesn't destroy in the episodes are the droidekas left after his onslaught.