Galen Marek vs Yoda

The Game itself isnt canon.. The Novel is, and to some extent the comic..
And the game was said to be over the top because its not Jedi its Sith going all out with their powers. They dnt hold back.. Not to mention it was about a particular character who has exceptional force abailites.

In the cw mini the story may be canon, but the force feats the characters displayed are not.. they are exaggerated.

Fact is nothing is more canon than the movies.. And in the movies Yoda struugles to catch a Large Pillar. That's whats totally canon.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The Game itself isnt canon.. The Novel is, and to some extent the comic..
And the game was said to be over the top because its not Jedi its Sith going all out with their powers. They dnt hold back.. Not to mention it was about a particular character who has exceptional force abailites.

Fact is nothing is more canon than the movies.. And in the movies Yoda struugles to catch a Large Pillar. That's whats totally canon.

POWER sounds like a less zealous Ush.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Compared to the movies, just about the entire EU is exaggerated. Where is your source that says it is not canon?

Man I cant be bothered finding the sources now, but pretty much everyone who worked on that cartoon, including Lucas said the Jedi's powers were exaggerated in this.

Even Filoni while making the newer show said that about the original. Which is why you dnt see any feats That ridiculous in the new show. Just look at the first episode of the new show, where Yoda takes on all those droids, but nothing ridiculous on that scale as in the cw mini. Im sure those kind of powers would have been very useful to him there (if he actually had them!)

In terms of Canon, Movies come first, and I beleive the new CW series has been given a Cannon level below the movies but above everything else.

Show me once anywhere else in the SW Universe where Yoda comes even close to doing a feat like that, crashing Ships that Huge against each other, then you might start convincing me that wasnt an exaggeration.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Man I cant be bothered finding the sources now, but pretty much everyone who worked on that cartoon, including Lucas said the Jedi's powers were exaggerated in this.

Even Filoni while making the newer show said that about the original. Which is why you dnt see any feats That ridiculous in the new show. Just look at the first episode of the new show, where Yoda takes on all those droids, but nothing ridiculous on that scale as in the cw mini. Im sure those kind of powers would have been very useful to him there (if he actually had them!)

In terms of Canon, Movies come first, and I beleive the new CW series has been given a Cannon level below the movies but above everything else.

Show me once anywhere else in the SW Universe where Yoda comes even close to doing a feat like that, crashing Ships that Huge against each other, then you might start convincing me that wasnt an exaggeration.

And all of your needless interjection lends support to TJ's argument that SK's display is "as impressive as anything Yoda has ever done" in what way? Riddle me that homey!!

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Man I cant be bothered finding the sources now, but pretty much everyone who worked on that cartoon, including Lucas said the Jedi's powers were exaggerated in this.

Even Filoni while making the newer show said that about the original. Which is why you dnt see any feats That ridiculous in the new show. Just look at the first episode of the new show, where Yoda takes on all those droids, but nothing ridiculous on that scale as in the cw mini. Im sure those kind of powers would have been very useful to him there (if he actually had them!)

In terms of Canon, Movies come first, and I beleive the new CW series has been given a Cannon level below the movies but above everything else.

Show me once anywhere else in the SW Universe where Yoda comes even close to doing a feat like that, crashing Ships that Huge against each other, then you might start convincing me that wasnt an exaggeration.

Even the newer clone war series are exaggerated compared to the movies. They have Asoka doing things with the force that not even some jedi masters were shown capable of doing in the movies. They had Yoda catching an avalanche of huge free falling bolders in mid air, which were coming down at him at great speed. Can we dismiss that feat because he struggled with that pillar? I would say the pillar feat was PIS.

Most of the EU is exaggerated especially TFU. Hell Dooku's force battle with Yoda seemed lame compared to what we see in other material.

Crushing durasteel isn't more impressive than causing two flying objects to crash into each other? Flying Objects don't take all that much force to put out of balance. Galen re-directed a falling star destroyer. That took as much force as Yoda's feat. He also ripped a sky-elevator OUT OF THE SKY.

Come now. I like Yoda as much as anyone: But Yoda defeated Dooku in a fight that didn't take Dooku's life. ROTS Anakin anhilated Dooku (alledgedly... I still stand on my Anakin loses the re-match argument) Then TFU Vader, who is much more powerful than ROTS Anakin gets crushed by Galen BEFORE this new game. This proves the power levels are similar and quantifiable, so next we look at feats. Galen very well might have better feats after this next game.

Before the game comes out, i'm still thinking he loses.

Originally posted by truejedi
Crushing durasteel isn't more impressive than causing two flying objects to crash into each other? Flying Objects don't take all that much force to put out of balance. Galen re-directed a falling star destroyer. That took as much force as Yoda's feat. He also ripped a sky-elevator OUT OF THE SKY.

Come now. I like Yoda as much as anyone: But Yoda defeated Dooku in a fight that didn't take Dooku's life. ROTS Anakin anhilated Dooku (alledgedly... I still stand on my Anakin loses the re-match argument) Then TFU Vader, who is much more powerful than ROTS Anakin gets crushed by Galen BEFORE this new game. This proves the power levels are similar and quantifiable, so next we look at feats. Galen very well might have better feats after this next game.

Before the game comes out, i'm still thinking he loses.

Galen took next to forever to redirect said SD, while Yoda casually waves his hand to redirect two massive ships within what, 2 seconds at most. And one still has to take into consideration the sheer power required to manipulate several hundred-thousand (or more) tons of material in order to do so. This, to me, is at least as impressive as crushing the droid. I suppose we need to figure a way of estimating the force required to crush the droid in comparison to the force required to manipulate those however many tons of metal and whatever else.

And as far as a Vader/Anakin comparison goes; yes Vader has learned to harness his Force powers to a far greater extent than Anakin did, BUT, Anakin's saber skills were better, which is what aided him in his (not so apparent) destruction of Dooku. BTW, I'm with you that had Dookie gone all out from the get-go, he probably would have defeated Anakin and OB1 the second time around as well.

I'm thinking that had Dooku had a chance to battle suited Vader, Dooku would emerge victorious. While Vader's skill with the Force is incredible, it isn't enough to overcome Dooku, who is extremely deadly in his own right. Moreover, Dooku's skills with a lightsaber are lightyears beyond Vader's now that Vader has lost so much of his speed, agility, and overall mobility (although he has massive power, even while utilizing one handed strikes).

Apologies if my thoughts are not coming across clearly tonight.

In reference to my last post; What I mean is that while Vader is a beast with the Force, he isn't so far ahead of Dooku in that dept. that Dooku would be unable to counter his force attacks, seeing as how Dooku in incredibly deadly with the Force as well. The gap isn't as great as the gap between, say, Dooku and Obi-Wan was.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
And all of your needless interjection lends support to TJ's argument that SK's display is "as impressive as anything Yoda has ever done" in what way? Riddle me that homey!!

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Because im saying crashing those massive ships into each other in 2 seconds is Yoda's biggest Force feat which im saying is an exaggerated feat. As were all the Force powers displayed in the CW mini.

Find me a feat of Yoda's outside that CW mini which clearly surpasses anything Galen ever did Homey 😉

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Even the newer clone war series are exaggerated compared to the movies..

No not really.. Its just had 3 whole series to show more of what jedis are capable of. Iv not seen anything in the new series which is completely inconsistent with the movies.

We dnt see Mace take down a whole droid army with the force alone, when he culdnt reperform anything even close to that feat on Genosia when backed by 200 jedi!!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
[B]They have Asoka doing things with the force that not even some jedi masters were shown capable of doing in the movies.

Like what?? I dnt remember Ashoka doing anything that would be beyond a Jedi Master. And Ashoka has been referenced in the series to being quite talented for a padawan by the way.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
[B]They had Yoda catching an avalanche of huge free falling bolders in mid air, which were coming down at him at great speed. Can we dismiss that feat because he struggled with that pillar? I would say the pillar feat was PIS.

I never said the Pillar feat was the full extent of Yoda's powers. I was just using it as an example to show how unbelievably inconsistent the force powers displayed in the cw mini and the movies are. And lets remember Dooku threw the Pillar with his own Power.

But like I said its because the CW mini EXAGGERATED Jedi Force Powers. Its really that simple!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
[B]Most of the EU is exaggerated especially TFU. Hell Dooku's force battle with Yoda seemed lame compared to what we see in other material.

Whats exaggerated in the TFU novel exactly?? You dnt see Jedis suddenly doing things they could never do before. The gameplay isnt cannon, but the novel and comic is.

As for Dooku vs. Yoda, it doesnt have to look impressive for them both to be powerful. They were just countering each others force attacks.

Its all canon, even if it is exaggerated.

Originally posted by truejedi
Its all canon, even if it is exaggerated.

If their powers are exaggerated then they cant actually do those things.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because im saying crashing those massive ships into each other in 2 seconds is Yoda's biggest Force feat which im saying is an exaggerated feat. As were all the Force powers displayed in the CW mini.

Find me a feat of Yoda's outside that CW mini which clearly surpasses anything Galen ever did Homey 😉

The fact remains, DP, that everything listed above is canon, like it or not. And within said canon, we have Yoda slamming two massive ships together with apparent ease, and SK crushing said droid like a coke can - ALL CANON!! You simply cannot argue with canon.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If their powers are exaggerated then they cant actually do those things.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If their powers are exaggerated then they cant actually do those things.

Absolutely false. They can do those things. In fact, they did them, so there is no really disputing that they are capable.

Originally posted by truejedi
Absolutely false. They can do those things. In fact, they did them, so there is no really disputing that they are capable.

So explain then why they were never able to do such things outside the cw mini??

why did mace not force crush all the droids on Genosia??

why was Yoda taking out droids commando style in the first episode of the new cw series when all he had to do is use the force to lift them all, and crush their ships against each other??

Why was Cad Bane able to escape from Mace and Obiwan just by having a few lasers start firing at them?? And they had to escape from that room.. Mace culdnt simply crush them!

Use your common sense! They dnt have those powers! Show me the proof anywhere else in the SW Universe that they have those kind of powers!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So explain then why they were never able to do such things outside the cw mini??

why did mace not force crush all the droids on Genosia??

why was Yoda taking out droids commando style in the first episode of the new cw series when all he had to do is use the force to lift them all, and crush their ships against each other??

Why was Cad Bane able to escape from Mace and Obiwan just by having a few lasers start firing at them?? And they had to escape from that room.. Mace culdnt simply crush them!

Use your common sense! They dnt have those powers! Show me the proof anywhere else in the SW Universe that they have those kind of powers!

Whether they did them twice or not is irrelevant. The fact that they did them once means they can do them.

Otherwise we are back to saying that Dooku >>>> Anakin, because Anakin only beat his ass once.

for that matter, Sidious only ever used force storm in Dark Empire. Was he therefore "not capable" of such a feat? His respawn ability was only from DE as well. Is he "not capable"? answer, i'm curious where your hypocrisy ends.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So explain then why they were never able to do such things outside the cw mini??

why did mace not force crush all the droids on Genosia??

why was Yoda taking out droids commando style in the first episode of the new cw series when all he had to do is use the force to lift them all, and crush their ships against each other??

Why was Cad Bane able to escape from Mace and Obiwan just by having a few lasers start firing at them?? And they had to escape from that room.. Mace culdnt simply crush them!

Use your common sense! They dnt have those powers! Show me the proof anywhere else in the SW Universe that they have those kind of powers!

-Why in the comic Jedi: Yoda, Yoda used the force to knock a small army of King Alaric's forces unconscience with just a wave of his hand, but never did this in the movies?

-Why in the new clone war series was Mace able to reduce several battle droids to scrap, but did not do this in the movies when it could have been useful?

-Why in ROTS was Sidious able to levitate himself along with several other senate pods, but was unable to save himself from being thrown down a shaft in ROTJ?

-Why is Darth Bane able to move an entire moon, but was exhausted after callapsing a temple.

-Why in TFU Paradus is able to control an entire army of droids, but yet Yoda (the most powerful jedi of his time) struggled with a pillar?

Seriously, I can write a book of "whys" about SW.

BTW, I was joking about the Darth Bane bit.