Wizards vs Mutants

Originally posted by omgchos
Lets ask a question.... are mutants wizards? No. They are mutated humans and therefore muggles.

Well were mutants around when they were considering the definition of a muggle? Even so a muggle is only a title which means nothing in the X-Universe, doesn't matter if your title is a mutant, wizard, god, or muggle, it only matters what you can do.

I'm just using your logic. No on screen feat showed that Xavier and company could sense Dementors, and no on screen feat was shown by a Dementor to be able to suck a mutant's soul, maybe something prevents it. You never know, and you have some anger management issues buddy.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well were mutants around when they were considering the definition of a muggle? Even so a muggle is only a title which means nothing in the X-Universe, doesn't matter if your title is a mutant, wizard, god, or muggle, it only matters what you can do.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm just using your logic. No on screen feat showed that Xavier and company could sense Dementors, and no on screen feat was shown by a Dementor to be able to suck a mutant's soul, maybe something prevents it. You never know, and you have some anger management issues buddy.

Originally posted by omgchos
They are goddamn mutated humans..... you are just retarded if you think they can't suck out their souls. This is why i quit this thread for a while. You guys keep on with this whole, mutants are gods thing. Magic can't kill them, they can't have their souls sucked out, and their powers somehow get through magical barriers. Do you guys actually hear what your saying?

You shouldn't call people names.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You shouldn't call people names.

Originally posted by omgchos
And since only WIZARDS can sense a dementor, and mutants aren't wizards or any other type of magical creature. That means they can't be seen by them.

That logic is flawed, and i resent any accusation that is was ever used by me. Your logic dictates that if a mutant never got shot in a movie, that means u can't shoot them. On screen feats are for guaging power and skill. We know that mutants are just mutated humans. So unless somehwere in the mutation they lost their souls, a dementor can suck it out.
And yes i get angry at stupid people.

I'm sorry if you let others control your emotions. Technically Mutants are mutants not humans, the X-Gene is what separates them from humans. Thing is, its like you're saying nothing can defeat magic but magic. The mutants have a speedster that could punch most of them in the face as soon as the bell rings. Seriously though this whole magic is the end all be all of vs hatches should stop, next thing you know you'll be claiming that the wizards could solo the same characters in their comic forms.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I'm sorry if you let others control your emotions. Technically Mutants are mutants not humans, the X-Gene is what separates them from humans. Thing is, its like you're saying nothing can defeat magic but magic.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The mutants have a speedster that could punch most of them in the face as soon as the bell rings. Seriously though this whole magic is the end all be all of vs hatches should stop, next thing you know you'll be claiming that the wizards could solo the same characters in their comic forms.

Scarlet Witch couldn't erase most if not all in the comics with her magic and her magic could warp reality. 😐

They've also fought Dr. Doom before and hits from Juggernaut doesn't kill them, partly because he doesn't try. Almost any of their comic forms would solo.

The juggy is not a mutant in the comics. As your title indicates. And scarlet witch is magic so obviously she has a fighting chance.

Originally posted by omgchos
The juggy is not a mutant in the comics. As your title indicates. And scarlet witch is magic so obviously she has a fighting chance.

Scarlet Witch would solo. My point was that in comics there were mutants who survived M-Day.

Cain is magical and he has used his powers to own the X-Men but they never died. That shows magical durability, although he is mainly physical the source of his powers can't be ignored which is the same reason why a punch from him would do more to Superman than Hulk due to the magic.

Edit: And Doom is pretty up there on the magical hierarchy even above Strange and at least equal to Morgan Lefay

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix

Cain is magical and he has used his powers to own the X-Men but they never died. That shows magical durability, although he is mainly physical the source of his powers can't be ignored which is the same reason why a punch from him would do more to Superman than Hulk due to the magic.

Originally posted by omgchos
What does that have to do with anything i said?

You said Cain is not a mutant, I agree, getting hit by Cain is also a feat for magical durability in comics by the X-Men. Wolverine also fought Blackheart with Punisher and Ghost Rider.

My point was that this has no relavance here in the thread. Since in the movie cain was a mutant, this is definitively proven by the fact that he ren into a wall and was rendered unconcious because he went near the kid who takes powers.

THought we were talking about the comic versions here.

Originally posted by omgchos
Exactly what im saying. Mutants are still mutated humans my friend you need to get this through your head.

They could against the mutant's from the x-men universe. Any magic in the equation balances the playing field.

Originally posted by omgchos
The juggy is not a mutant in the comics. As your title indicates. And scarlet witch is magic so obviously she has a fighting chance.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Scarlet Witch would solo. My point was that in comics there were mutants who survived M-Day.

Cain is magical and he has used his powers to own the X-Men but they never died. That shows magical durability, although he is mainly physical the source of his powers can't be ignored which is the same reason why a punch from him would do more to Superman than Hulk due to the magic.

Edit: And Doom is pretty up there on the magical hierarchy even above Strange and at least equal to Morgan Lefay

Hence why I mentioned Scarlet Witch and her overpoweredness.

I merely responded to you asking if i thought the wizards would beat the comic mutants. I said they would if no magic from the comics was involved. I was expressing an opinion, not trying to get off track in thread. Back to the point the dementors pwn all the mutants.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

OK, I'll amuse you for a moment and assume that DP will destroy all the wizards. How is she gonna destroy the Dementors? She cannot see them, they are invulnerable to any and all physical attacks. The Dementors are gonna swoop around, INVISIBLE, and one by one render all mutants helpless. The only defense against a Dementor is Expecto Patronum. This means no amount of physical or mental attacks will affect them. If you cannot produce a Patronus, you are literally screwed.

I read the Wiki on Dementors, it said they are sentient because they both know how to use their powers and have revolted at times. So there is no reason to believe Xavier couldn't sense their minds along with the other wizards that don't have occlumency and just mind-rape them too.

This whole 'it's magic, so it just wins' argument is BS. [Some] Mutant powers are just as illogical and against the laws of physics as magic is.

Originally posted by Robtard
I read the Wiki on Dementors, it said they are sentient because they both know how to use their powers and have revolted at times. So there is no reason to believe Xavier couldn't sense their minds along with the other wizards that don't have occlumency and just mind-rape them too.

This whole 'it's magic, so it just wins' argument is BS. Mutant powers are just as illogical and against the laws of physics as magic is.

Originally posted by omgchos
Your statement itself is a double standard. You believe the mutants ass rape the wizards and mock us for saying the same about wizards. Xavior has never been shown possessing the mind of anything except a human or a mutant. If he is human(albeit a mutated one), then we know from every movie the dementors were in that he CANNOT see, sense, or otherwise be aware of the dementors. Only a magical person can. Whether or not he has powers, he is not magical.

I don't think you know what a double-standard is, and you taking the stance of 'magic wins because it's magic' is laughable.

Xavier's powers affect the mind; according to Wiki, Dementors have minds. It says that normal humans(aka non-magical beings) can't see Dementors(nothing about mutant powers that defy the laws of physics not sensing them), Xavier doesn't have to see someone to attack them mentally. Consideing Phoenix has mental powers on the scale of Xavier, she probbaly could sense them too with her mind.

BTW, I believe the mutants win because they have two people on their side who can destroy in mass, Phoenix and Xavier, this is also going by movie feats seen on screen, not just 'they win because they're mutants.'

I know what a double standard is thank you. Any wizard in the books and the movies can do anything he wants if he knows the right spell. Whereas a mutant is limited to his specific power. And i never said he just couldn't see them, if he is not a magical creature or a wizard, then he cannot even knwo they are there. They exist on a different plane, but they can choose to interact with the corporial world. Xavier will not know they are there until hes getting his soul sucked out. And even if he could sense them hes not spiderman, he doesn't have spidey sense, where he can just know when danger is approaching. He has to think about who he is trying to find. Many on screen feats show this. He doesn't just all of the sudden go, "oh hey i sense some creatures coming to get me". Example being that when mystique entered the compund and sabotaged cerebro, he didn't even see it coming, he walked right into it. Therefore unless he specifically is looking for the dementors, which he won't be because no matter what he can't see them, they souls suck before he knows what hit him.

I don't recall the wizards in the movies "doing anything they wanted", they could cast spells that did specific things, maybe you're thinking of the Genie from Alladin. If you have movie proof of this omnipotence, please post it.

Xavier can sense minds, he doesn't have to physically see anyone. When he froze everyone in the mall and then re-worked their memories, he certainly didn't go wheeling about to see everyone first.