Wizards vs Mutants

You're misunderstanding. I agree that if he saw the dementors, hed get them all at once, he knew the mall was full of people so he sensed for all the people. Im talking about precognition of danger. If he can't see them coming then he can't know they are there, until they make themselves known. Like i said, he didn't sense that mystique was in the building sabotaging as she went. If he had known she was there, then BAM she's done. But since he cannot see the dementors, which you have already admitted then he won't know they are coming. He has to know you are there before he can look for you.

No, I understand what you're saying; it just doesn't jive with what Xavier is capable of doing on screen.

I'm pretty sure each combatant here knows that they're facing an opposing team, so all he'd have to do his use his powers to scan for sentient minds/thoughts, as he did in the mall. He certainly didn't know how many people were in the mall and thier exact locations, yet he was able to somehow sweep the area with his mind and detect them, this is no different.

No because he has to know what he's looking for. When he explained cerebro in the second movie he made emphasis on concentrating on a particular group. He has to think of what he's looking for. He would see the wizards and attempt to do whatever it is that he does. Since he sees all these people standing around, thats who he would go for. He wouldn't just start arbitrarily scanning for other life forms. And since him killing peoples minds takes a while, as seen in X2, before he was done with the wizards, the dementors will have already started the soul suckage.

Well i wont respond to your next response as i have a dental appointment. Ill be back to argue some more later. 😄

Originally posted by omgchos
No because he has to know what he's looking for. When he explained cerebro in the second movie he made emphasis on concentrating on a particular group. He has to think of what he's looking for. He would see the wizards and attempt to do whatever it is that he does. Since he sees all these people standing around, thats who he would go for. He wouldn't just start arbitrarily scanning for other life forms. And since him killing peoples minds takes a while, as seen in X2, before he was done with the wizards, the dementors will have already started the soul suckage.

He would know what he's sensing for, the opposing team. You saying he'd only try to mentally attack what he can physically see is you gimping his powers that we see in the movie, he can sweep an area with his mind and sense other's minds, he doesn't have to know who, what or where they are specifically, as seen in the mall scene in X2.

So he takes his time to freeze or mind-rape all but the 3-4 wizards with occlumency, those 3-4 will be busy frighting off all the other mutants, which there are plenty, including Phoenix.

Rob, you should know by now man. If you have to say words with no real meaning, and flick your wrist in a way that would get you beat up in places. You obviously can't lose any fight ever, because you're a wizard.

Originally posted by Robtard
He would know what he's sensing for, the opposing team. You saying he'd only try to mentally attack what he can physically see is you gimping his powers that we see in the movie, he can sweep an area with his mind and sense other's minds, he doesn't have to know who, what or where they are specifically, as seen in the mall scene in X2.

So he takes his time to freeze or mind-rape all but the 3-4 wizards with occlumency, those 3-4 will be busy frighting off all the other mutants, which there are plenty, including Phoenix.

Originally posted by KingD19
Rob, you should know by now man. If you have to say words with no real meaning, and flick your wrist in a way that would get you beat up in places. You obviously can't lose any fight ever, because you're a wizard.

Xavier could just have a wizard take care of the Dementors. Take over their minds toad and sabertooth style and Protronus their asses. Unless you think he's just going to ignore the unidentified magical effects they have of his teammates inexplicably dying for no reason.

Edit: Also, Terrible logic from omgchos. Do you think he's just going to ignore the extra 100+ minds that no-one can find? Becuase logic doesn't.

Originally posted by omgchos
The mall scene affirmed my statement. He only froze humans in the mall. He knew what he was looking "the opposing team" is not a category of minds. The dementors aren't human, so he won't think to look for them until its too late.

Because that was all that was there, humans in the mall. You're gimping Xavier's powers, instead of going by movie feats. The mall was just a general area he focused on and he found every mind within that area and took care of business, just as this battle field will be a general area, he'll quickly(speed of a thought) scan the battlefield and find every mind, friend and foe and then take care of business.

Guy above me also made another great point which I forgot about, besides freezing, mind-wiping or mind-raping the wizards and dementors, he could also make them attack the few wizards that have occlumency to help the other mutants. Which would just be a bigger stomp fest.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier could just have a wizard take care of the Dementors. Take over their minds toad and sabertooth style and Protronus their asses. Unless you think he's just going to ignore the unidentified magical effects they have of his teammates inexplicably dying for no reason.

Edit: Also, [b]Terrible logic from omgchos. Do you think he's just going to ignore the extra 100+ minds that no-one can find? Becuase logic doesn't. [/B]

Originally posted by omgchos
Again, failed attempt at humor.

Na, the "flick your wrist in a way that would get you beat up in places" was worth a chuckle.

You shouldn't take these debates so personally.

Originally posted by Robtard
Na, the "flick your wrist in a way that would get you beat up in places" was worth a chuckle.

You shouldn't take these debates so personally.

Stupid jokes? I was pointing out your failed logic, not telling knock-knock jokes.

Hes not a goddamn mind seeking radar man.

Yes he is. He's specifically found minds in the movie, as well as every human on the planet with Cerebros help (which specifically enhances not changes his powers)

And obviously theyd direct him at the guy trying to invade their minds.

Who's they? The 50 or so motionless wizards or the 4 beings who have no idea where he is.

He has to concentrate on a particular group, as shown in the movie.

No he doesn't. Not 'has too' anyway. If he could only do groups, then why was the president not frozen along with eveyone else? Obviously, he has no control over his ability than you give him credit for.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Stupid jokes? I was pointing out your failed logic, not telling knock-knock jokes.

Yes he is. He's specifically found minds in the movie, as well as every human on the planet with Cerebros help (which specifically enhances not changes his powers)

Who's they? The 50 or so motionless wizards or the 4 beings who have no idea where he is.

No he doesn't. Not 'has too' anyway. If he could only do groups, then why was the president not frozen along with eveyone else? Obviously, he has no control over his ability than you give him credit for.

He said himself that he has to concentrate on a specific group. Go watch the movie.

More than four of them have occlumency, and the dementors are adept at finding people, along with voldemort who would sense the intrusion and apperate to the very spot hes at.

He was still only concentrating on humans, leaving the president be, so they could talk to him. And if he can sense danger why didn't he sense mystique causing rouge to run away and sabotaging cerebro.

Ok calm down the universe doesn't revolve around you. It was KingD19 who made the stupid joke.

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The universe does revolve around me.

He said himself that he has to concentrate on a specific group. Go watch the movie.

Which movie? Where? And if he did it was probably just in that 'find all the humans' scene, which in no way proves that he can only find one group at a time.

More than four of them have occlumency, and the dementors are adept at finding people, along with voldemort who would sense the intrusion and apperate to the very spot hes at.

Who else has occlumency besides Harry, Voldy, Dumby and Snape? And how are they good at finding people? All they've ever found was harry when Umbridge told them where to look. And Voldemorts occlumency is specifically a mental shield, not something that can follow Xaviers mind back to the source. That would be legemency, which requires an incantation and something to point at.

He was still only concentrating on humans, leaving the president be, so they could talk to him. And if he can sense danger why didn't he sense mystique causing rouge to run away and sabotaging cerebro.

No, it shows that he can be selective in his telepathy. Saying that he can only deal with one group at a time (which is stupid considering that there is no difference between human and mutant minds) is as illogical as me saying that since Voldemorts spells have only affected wizards they can only affect wizards. And Xavier doesn't scan every mind in his area, he has to concentrate. Plus he was probably taking a crap or something. 😆

Originally posted by Nephthys
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The universe does revolve around me.

Which movie? Where? And if he did it was probably just in that 'find all the humans' scene, which in no way proves that he can only find one group at a time.

Who else has occlumency besides Harry, Voldy, Dumby and Snape? And how are they good at finding people? All they've ever found was harry when Umbridge told them where to look. And Voldemorts occlumency is specifically a mental shield, not something that can follow Xaviers mind back to the source. That would be legemency, which requires an incantation and something to point at.

No, it shows that he can be selective in his telepathy. Saying that he can only deal with one group at a time (which is stupid considering that there is no difference between human and mutant minds) is as illogical as me saying that since Voldemorts spells have only affected wizards they can only affect wizards. And Xavier doesn't scan every mind in his area, he has to concentrate. Plus he was probably taking a crap or something. 😆

Second if harry has the marauders map, he can find xavior wherever he is, as you have stated he is one of the ones with legilimency, so bam xavior is outta the fight yet again.

Whether the dememntors get him and DP or harry and voldy get them, they are outta the fight. And since you seem to be hinging your argument on them instantaniously pwning, we should probably move onto other mutants.

Bottom line is this:

Dementors are controlled by MAGICAL means, NOT mental means. If a Dementor could be controlled by mind powers, then why weren't they ever controlled via legilimency?

Also, Expecto Patronum is the only defense against a Dementor. No amount of physical or mental attacks will phase them. Mutants are not in possession of any magical powers, therefore mutants cannot produce a Patronus, thus they are without a defense against a Dementor, much less hundreds of them.

No matter how you look at it, against a Dementor, or in this case hundreds of them, a mutant has NO defense. No Expecto patronum, no defense.

Well if humans are blue, mutants are red, that means Wizards are either blue, or some other color because ot their magical abilities, and the Dementors are probably a ruddy brown, or decayed gray or something. Plus Harry will probably get owned before he makes it to Xavier, who will more than likely have a few guards.

Why would Harry wanna "make it" to Xavier?