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omgchos The Man From Ireland

Oh and wikipedia is irrelevant here, btw.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by omgchos
Which is beside the point. The point i was making was that so far Xavier has onyl interacted with humans and mutants. So we know he could at least attempt to mindrape the wizards. But there is no way to say that he an do anything to a dementor.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, considering Wizards can kill them with one spell, wizards own.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Really? Wouldn't Xavier do a mind wipe or something?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dumbledore can surely pull some kind of spell to counter that.

Let's take the opening posts in account here:

Xavier can freeze everyone with his mind, and is the most powerful mutant. Xavier doesn't need to recite a phrase or use a wand to use his power. Dumbledore has to use either his wand or his words to invoke magic, no? I mean, we have, in fact, seen him do odd tricks in the movies with but a gesture of his hand, like changing the tapestries from Slytherin to Gryffindor at the end of The Sorcerer's Stone, but that, in my opinion is just a mild feat as opposed to fighting an entire army of mutants.

Xavier, in my earnest opinion, takes hold of the entire Hogwarts army, including Dumbledore, and finishies the fight before it even begins. Based on what we've seen from the movies, I don't know of any magic spells that Dumbledore could use against a very strong telepathic assault.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Occlumency requires no incantation to invoke. In their lessons snape would invade harry's mind and he would use occlumency to keep him out. It's basically a skill some wizards have to block out mental interference. We know voldemort, dumbledore, and snape(powerful all three) can employ this, to block out xavier. And what about the dementors? All they would have to do is start soul sucking xavier and he wont be doing his mind tricks anymore. Since he wouldn't be able to know they were coming.

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The thread starter stated everyone at Hogwarts. Are Dementors and Voldemort present at this time? Is this before or after the Prisoner of Azkaban? Voldemort is not in physical form until Goblet of Fire, too.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by omgchos
Which is beside the point. The point i was making was that so far Xavier has onyl interacted with humans and mutants. So we know he could at least attempt to mindrape the wizards. But there is no way to say that he an do anything to a dementor.

Why, because you say so? They have minds, are intelligent. Unless you think a hamster could stage revolts for freedom and cast spells.

Might as well argue that magic doesn't work on mutants and mutant powers don't work on wizards, just 'cuz' we've never seen the two go at it.

Why is Wiki irrelevant here? RJ was the one that initially posted the Wiki-link to HP spells, not knowing he was gimping that side by not reading the fine print in regards to several spells.

If you insist on foolishly crying about Dementors being unstoppable form anything except 'Patranus', Xavier could easily control the wizards(all but 3-4) to protect him/the mutants and 'Patraneousum' the Dementors. And yes, he can do this at the speed of a thought, he froze and re-worked the memories of everyone in the mall in a matter of minutes.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Impediment
The thread starter stated everyone at Hogwarts. Are Dementors and Voldemort present at this time? Is this before or after the Prisoner of Azkaban? Voldemort is not in physical form until Goblet of Fire, too.

HillWatch already said Dementors were here. And i would assume he's here since no specific movies were mentioned, which probably means all the wizards and all the mutants from the movies. 1-5 of HP and 0-3 of X-men.

Dr Will Hatch Senior Member

Originally posted by Impediment
The thread starter stated everyone at Hogwarts. Are Dementors and Voldemort present at this time? Is this before or after the Prisoner of Azkaban? Voldemort is not in physical form until Goblet of Fire, too.

I said everyone in Hogwarts, including all past and present staff member and alumni. That includes Voldemort, Umbridge and every single Death Eater. According to Rogue Jedi, dementors can be summoned by Umbridge, so they count as well. Everything up to "Order of the Phoenix" counts. No dead characters.

Every mutant in the X Men films count, not just the X Men team. So that includes Juggernaut, Deadpool, etc.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Robtard
Why, because you say so? They have minds and are intelligent and not animals.
Might as well argue that magic doesn't work on mutants and mutant powers don't work on wizards, just 'cuz' we've never seen the two go at it.
Why is Wiki irrelevant here? RJ was the one that initially posted the Wiki-link to HP spells, not knowing he was gimping that side by not reading the fine print in regards to several spells.

I never used wiki, and never saw RJ do it, so if he did i obviously never agreed with him. Im being as blunt as saying that because wizards never fought mutants this thread is irrelevant. That's puting words in my mouth. I could say the same about you, "what because you say so means dementors are affected by xavior." I'll give you a quote from the first movie itself. He says "i discovered that i had the power to control PEOPLE'S, make them think or do whatever i wanted." That itslef proves my point.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by omgchos
I never used wiki, and never saw RJ do it, so if he did i obviously never agreed with him. Im being as blunt as saying that because wizards never fought mutants this thread is irrelevant. That's puting words in my mouth. I could say the same about you, "what because you say so means dementors are affected by xavior." I'll give you a quote from the first movie itself. He says "i discovered that i had the power to control [b]PEOPLE'S, make them think or do whatever i wanted." That itslef proves my point. [/B]

RJ is the wiki master here and wiki is allowed, it seems.

And...

Originally posted by Robtard

If you insist on foolishly crying about Dementors being unstoppable form anything except 'Patranus', Xavier could easily control the wizards(all but 3-4) to protect him/the mutants and 'Patraneousum' the Dementors. And yes, he can do this at the speed of a thought, he froze and re-worked the memories of everyone in the mall in a matter of minutes[or less].

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Robtard
RJ is the wiki master here and wiki is allowed, it seems.
And...

Ok which is? Xavier instantly mind rapes all the wizards, or he decides **** it ill read someones mind and see if some dementors are gonna attack me. Oh hey they are, lemme check and see what to do. Oh hey they gotta nifty spell for this lemme use it. Parts in bold are all sarcasm btw. Because if he doesn't know they are coming he won't have the forethought to either scan for them or to get a wizard to defend. Im sorry but hes going down.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

And how does that make wiki usable?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by omgchos
Ok which is? Xavier instantly mind rapes all the wizards, or he decides **** it [b]ill read someones mind and see if some dementors are gonna attack me. Oh hey they are, lemme check and see what to do. Oh hey they gotta nifty spell for this lemme use it. Parts in bold are all sarcasm btw. Because if he doesn't know they are coming he won't have the forethought to either scan for them or to get a wizard to defend. Im sorry but hes going down. [/B]

Your sarcasm is ill founded, going by Xavier's movie feats. ie the mall scene.

He can re-work the minds of hundreds(thousands?) of people, most he can't see and do it all at extreme speeds, me thinks he able and smart enought to scan the minds of those he fighting to see what he and his fellow mutants are facing.

So unless you think the Dementors are just going to magically poof instantly onto Xavier the second the fight starts, he's going to know. <--- you probably think this

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by omgchos
And how does that make wiki usable?

Because it's in the rules?

Are you figthing against Wiki now since the wizards spells have obvious limits and wizards can't "DO ANYTHING THEY WANT" like you initially argued?

Dr Will Hatch Senior Member

I agree that Xaviers telepathy is strong enough to turn most of the wizards and witches against the dementors. While they are distracted, Dark Phoenix destroys the heavy hitters while Storm is backup. Bobby can freeze half the wizards after their done chasing away the dementors.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Why, because you say so? They have minds, are intelligent. Unless you think a hamster could stage revolts for freedom and cast spells.
Might as well argue that magic doesn't work on mutants and mutant powers don't work on wizards, just 'cuz' we've never seen the two go at it.
Why is Wiki irrelevant here? RJ was the one that initially posted the Wiki-link to HP spells, not knowing he was gimping that side by not reading the fine print in regards to several spells.
If you insist on foolishly crying about Dementors being unstoppable form anything except 'Patranus', Xavier could easily control the wizards(all but 3-4) to protect him/the mutants and 'Patraneousum' the Dementors. And yes, he can do this at the speed of a thought, he froze and re-worked the memories of everyone in the mall in a matter of minutes.

I posted the link and included ONLY the spells SEEN in the movies. wiki takes a back seat to what is seen/said/implied in the movies.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I posted the link and included ONLY the spells SEEN in the movies. wiki takes a back seat to what is seen/said/implied in the movies.

Funny how this is a floating rule with you, if Wiki is more favorable than what is seen in the films, then Wiki is the source you stick to; now that the Wiki explanations of the spells make them less uber than you initially thought, now Wiki isn't so good to go by.

Still, only a few wizards showed Occlumency in the films, so the point of Xavier raping/turning all but a few stays. Combined with the likes of Phoenix and the only heavy hitting mutants backing him up, the HP crew is toast.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Robtard
He can re-work the minds of hundreds(thousands?) of people, most he can't see and do it all at extreme speeds, me thinks he able and smart enought to scan the minds of those he fighting to see what he and his fellow mutants are facing.
So unless you think the Dementors are just going to magically poof instantly onto Xavier, he's going to know.
You're sarcasm is ill founded, going by Xavier's movie feats.

He would be looking for people Robtard, People. Not Dementors. You cannot possibly think that a dementors mind is anything close to a human's mind. I never said that if he looked for them he wouldn't find them. Even if Xavier can mindrape the world it makes no difference to what i am saying. He will not know they are coming. The whole patronus thing doesn't matter because if he knew they were coming he may be able to enter their minds(whether or not thats true doesn't matter). My point is that xavior himslef distinguishes mutant/human minds when he is using cerebro(which amplifies his powers). So we know that he cannot scan for minds of people and mutants at the same time. That also means he can't be mind raping the wizards and looking for the dementors at the same time. So either harry gets him or the dementors do. Take your pick because it is inevitble.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because it's in the rules?
Are you figthing against Wiki since the wizards spells have obvious limits can wizards can't "DO ANYTHING THEY WANT" like you initially argued?

Actually wiki would probably onfirm my belief that the spells can do anything short of bringing back the dead.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Robtard
Funny how this is a floating rule with you, if Wiki is more favorable than what is seen in the films, then Wiki is the source, since Wiki explanations of the spells make them less uber than you initially thought, now it's the opposite.
Still, only a few wizards showed Occlumency in the films, so the point of Xavier raping/turning all but a few stays. Combined with the likes of Phoenix and the only heavy hitting mutants, the HP crew is toast.

If you admit to Ocllumency and you admit to Protego Totalum. Then what are you still doing saying mutants win. Voldy and Dumbly and Sanpe would cut throught the mutants like a hot knife through butter.