Wizards vs Mutants

Originally posted by KingD19
And the wizards will have torrents of flame, ice blasts, disintigration, optic beams, localized lightning strikes, mini tornadoes, speedsters, shockwaves, and all other types of stuff to deal with. And while they might not stop them, alot of those powers can slow a dementor down.

All these attacks are easily deflected/obliterated with protego totalum or reducto, or even Bombarda Maxima.

You can block disintigration? And have the spells shown to go up against things of that magnitude?

Also, how do they deal with Quicksilver?

Dementors will make quick work of DP, she cannot produce a patronus. And even if she evades dementors, her attention will be elsewhere, death spell.

Quicksilver?

Quicksilver was in the Origins movie, every mutant rescued from the island was taken to the mansion, not all of them stayed though. So, since Quicksilver was there, he can be used.

And how will Dementors fare against total disintigration? How will the others? Even if they manage to get Phoenix, her powers will work until she dies.

Sorry, havent seen origins, my bad.

Disintegration will have no effect on Dementors, the only defense against a Dementor is a patronus. If attacks like DP's disintegration attacks would work on a Dementor, then wizards would not need a Patronus. Stupefy, Reducto, Avada Kedavra, these spells have no effect on Dementors. Granted they are not on the same level as her attacks, but the point stands. No Patronus, no defense against Dementors.

So the wave bypasses the Dementors, and kills the wizards.

Protego is a basic spell, and I never said that all wizards could do Occlumency.

A Protego is a force-field type spell that blocks (minor) curses and physical attacks. Nowheer has it blocked an intangable psychic assualt that can evade the barrier as easy as pie.

But you said occlumency would protect the wizards Xavier tries to control. It won't, except for 4 of the blighters.

The Dementors found Harry in a sewer, there were people all around (driving overhead in cars), they zeroed in on him. They will have no trouble zeroing in on Xavier. They will be targeting him because they will be instructed to do so, simple.

They zeroed in on Harry becuase Umbridge told them where to find him. And it wouldn't be hard, he's the only wizard around. With Xavier, they'll be looking for a muggle in a school full of muggles.

And who'll tell them, the 50 or so motionless figures (including Umbridge) or the 4 heavily fighting occlumens.

Fighting inside Hogwarts is a great advantage for the wizards, any fool can see this.

Why, becuase they get to run around a massive castle looking for 2 beings that have effectively soloed 99% of their team.

Xavier will have his hands full with the wizards, no way no how does he fight off Dementors too.

You mean the wizards he casually freezes? You seem to forget that he has teammates to help him, not to mention the even more powerful telepath Pheonix.

You seem to think that Xavier will be ALLOWED to do all the things you are saying. He will have death spells, dementors, legilimency, and god knows what else to deal with.

Death spells from a whole 2 people. Oh no!

Dementors he and Pheonix can easily defeat. Oh no!

Legilimency that involves a wand and incantation to work. Oh no!

Something unknown. Oh no!

lol... Oh no!!!!!

Originally posted by Nephthys
A Protego is a force-field type spell that blocks (minor) curses and physical attacks. Nowheer has it blocked an intangable psychic assualt that can evade the barrier as easy as pie.

But you said occlumency would protect the wizards Xavier tries to control. It won't, except for 4 of the blighters.

Having said that, Voldemort will employ Occlumency to shield his thoughts, apparate behind Xavier and death spell him. Xavier will never even see him. If Xavier cannot see him and cannot sense him, what is he to do? DIE.

They zeroed in on Harry becuase Umbridge told them where to find him. And it wouldn't be hard, he's the only wizard around. With Xavier, they'll be looking for a muggle in a school full of muggles.

And who'll tell them, the 50 or so motionless figures (including Umbridge) or the 4 heavily fighting occlumens.

Why, becuase they get to run around a massive castle looking for 2 beings that have effectively soloed 99% of their team.

You mean the wizards he casually freezes? You seem to forget that he has teammates to help him, not to mention the even more powerful telepath Pheonix.

Death spells from a whole 2 people. Oh no!

Dementors he and Pheonix can easily defeat. Oh no!

Legilimency that involves a wand and incantation to work. Oh no!

Something unknown. Oh no!

So when Voldemort apparates to Xavier, then shouts otu Avada Kadavra, while flipping his wrist, what's to stop Logan from gutting him, or Kurt from kicking him in the face? Or Juggernaut/Colossus from punting him through a few walls?

And saying that her disintigration won't pass the barrier is just speculation. It was never shown going up against something with that much power behind it.

Originally posted by KingD19
So when Voldemort apparates to Xavier, then shouts otu Avada Kadavra, while flipping his wrist, what's to stop Logan from gutting him, or Kurt from kicking him in the face? Or Juggernaut/Colossus from punting him through a few walls?

So like I said, him yelling out the death spell while surrounded by hostile people won't be bad for him? And flying around on a broomstick inside Hogwarts is not a good idea, you're just a floating, slow moving target.

Originally posted by KingD19
So like I said, him yelling out the death spell while surrounded by hostile people won't be bad for him? And flying around on a broomstick inside Hogwarts is not a good idea, you're just a floating, slow moving target.

So yelling out avada kadavra and going through the wrist moment would take a second, it takes longer than that to fully pronounce it clearly, and even longer when you have to do the wrist motion. You're thinking Xavier( a man in a wheelchair), won't have close by body guards, you're wrong. If anybody tries to get that close and focuses on Charles, they get owned.

Did you see OOTP where Bellatrix killed Sirius? It was almost instantaneous. She was uttering the spell as she landed. Hell, as I said before, Voldy could even don the invisibility cloak.

But in the midst of a chaotic battle with hundreds of powerful mutants, do you really think he'll be thinking to start the spell before he apparates, he'll be busy watching his ass while he's trying to get close to Xavier in the 1st place.

Did DP's attack bypass any such a barrier? Nope.

Is telekinesis a beam-type attack that can only travel in a straight line? Nope. Is protego a single force-field that TK can easily go around? Yes.

They wouldn't need protection. Voldemort would simply apparate behind Xavier, death spell him, and apparate away before anyone knows what happened.

How? Voldemort has no idea where Xavier is and will be fighting off hordes of mutants. And Xavier won't just be sitting there in some tiolet completely unguarded, he'll have protection from teammates, he's a valuable asset. So even if Voldemort can do what you say (he can't) he'll be slowed down enough by fodder for Xavier to rip open his mind.

Mystique was able to sneak into the X school, sabotage cerebro, and Xavier had no clue as she was doing so. If Xavier is so damn uber powerful, why did this happen? Why didnt he sense it? Mystique has no telepathic powers, it should have been easy as pie for Xavier to sense her there and what she was doing.

Becuase Xavier wasn't paying attention to every f'ing mind at once, and has specifically stated that he doesn't scan the minds of anyone except in fights or in locating. In this battle however, he'll be at full alert, attacking everything at once.

Having said that, Voldemort will employ Occlumency to shield his thoughts, apparate behind Xavier and death spell him. Xavier will never even see him. If Xavier cannot see him and cannot sense him, what is he to do? DIE.

Occlumency doesn't make your mind invisible, its a shield for your thoughts. Stop making up abilities.

Even better. And if you dont remember, in the Prisoner of Azkaban, the Dementors attached Harry while he was playing quittich, surrounded by hundreds of wizards. How did they zero in on him then?

They work at his school. 😐 It's not like he's hard to find. And they didn't zero in on him (I think), they just attacked the quiddich players. It was even stated that the wheer drawn in by the excitement and pleasure of the match.

Presumably Umbridge, but Voldemort controlled them too.

Umbridge gets taken out effortlessly by Xavier. And this argument is stupid becuase Xavier can just mindf*ck the Dementors. They have a mind, it canbe assualted.

Hidden passageways, shit like that. Not to mention Harry had the Marauders map and will know where each mutant is at all times.

Not even Dumbledore knows all the passages. And why does Harry get his map. Its in his trunk up in Griffindor tower, he has to go through alot to get there.

He wont be around that long. He might freeze a few, but Xavier will be killed by Voldy right away.

No he won't.

Death spells from all the death eaters....Dementors, the mutants have no defense here, they cannot produce a Patronus.....Legilimency takes a flick of the wrist and one word. point?

Death eaters get taken out.

Dementors get taken out, either by Telepathy or by someone mindcontrolling a wizard and using protronus on them

Legilimency requires Voldemort to be right next to Xavier, which he isn't. So he has to be constantly on the defensive as his mind is attacked. Are you telling me he'll be able to fight through that?

Doesn't matter though, Kitty could take out Voldemort in two seconds, as could Pheonix, Nightcrawler, Cyclops etc. 🙂

Edit: Apparate isn't instant like you claim, the wizard has to concentrate and turn around.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is telekinesis a beam-type attack that can only travel in a straight line? Nope. Is protego a single force-field that TK can easily go around? Yes.

Becuase Xavier wasn't paying attention to every f'ing mind at once, and has specifically stated that he doesn't scan the minds of anyone except in fights or in locating. In this battle however, he'll be at full alert, attacking everything at once.

Occlumency doesn't make your mind invisible, its a shield for your thoughts. Stop making up abilities.

They work at his school. 😐 It's not like he's hard to find. And they didn't zero in on him (I think), they just attacked the quiddich players. It was even stated that the wheer drawn in by the excitement and pleasure of the match.

Umbridge gets taken out effortlessly by Xavier. And this argument is stupid becuase Xavier can just mindf*ck the Dementors. They have a mind, it canbe assualted.

Not even Dumbledore knows all the passages. And why does Harry get his map. Its in his trunk up in Griffindor tower, he has to go through alot to get there.

Accio Marauders map!!!

No he won't.

Death eaters get taken out.

Dementors get taken out, either by Telepathy or by someone mindcontrolling a wizard and using protronus on them

If Xavier is mind controlling a wizard, it makes it that much easier for Voldy to death spell him.

Legilimency requires Voldemort to be right next to Xavier, which he isn't. So he has to be constantly on the defensive as his mind is attacked. Are you telling me he'll be able to fight through that?

Doesn't matter though, Kitty could take out Voldemort in two seconds, as could Pheonix, Nightcrawler, Cyclops etc. 🙂

Edit: Apparate isn't instant like you claim, the wizard has to concentrate and turn around.

You assume that Kitty can be affected by a spell while she's phased.

Originally posted by KingD19
You assume that Kitty can be affected by a spell while she's phased.