U.S. Expected to Own 70% of Restructured G.M.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Your just such a cheery moral absolutist. If someone's unemployed, it's their fault. If someone can't afford to get treatment, it's their fault. It's not at all the fact that healthcare costs are so high that 50% of all home foreclosures are caused by medical bills or that 70% of those are from people that are insured. It's not the fact that people can't find work because there are around 37 million unemployed people and 1 million jobs. If someone can't afford a classy internship because their being auctioned off to the highest bidder, its their fault for growing up in a poor family.
It's the kind of logic that assumes that it's a woman's fault for being raped because she wore a miniskirt.

As opposed to being what? One of the millions of mindless, "These people are poor..it's not because of drugs, lack of determination, personal responsibility..it is all SOMEONE or SOMETHING else's fault! And us hard working people have an obligation to help these people that do nothing!"

It is there fault, plain and simple. You determine who you are in this world, nobody else.

I would SUPPORT state funded health coverage for anyone under the age of 18. After that though, get a job, earn a scholarship and go to school, make something of yourself and pay you own way.

I would also support state funded coverage for the mentally handicapped.

Other then that..it's simple, get a job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Murray

What makes her different from the millions of other kids from broken homes?

37 million umeployed, 1 million jobs.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
37 million umeployed, 1 million jobs.

Start a business.

who's gonna give someone a loan, you? Credit has been mostly frozen. People aren't consuming because their purchasing power and therefore, demand is down. The last four presidents destroyed any kind of assistance that small business can get and the judicial system doesn't enforce antitrust laws so a large corporation can easily rub your little small business out at the first sign of success unless your pimping, selling drugs, or running a pyramid scheme.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
who's gonna give someone a loan, you? Credit has been mostly frozen. People aren't consuming because their purchasing power and therefore, demand is down. The last four presidents destroyed any kind of assistance that small business can get and the judicial system doesn't enforce antitrust laws so a large corporation can easily rub your little small business out at the first sign of success unless your pimping, selling drugs, or running a pyramid scheme.

Have a good business plan and education to back it up and you will get a loan.

All I am hearing is more excuses. I cannot get a job because of this, or that or the other thing. Start a business? Oh I can't because of this and that.

People still open businesses and find jobs during a recession. Again, if a college student like myself with nothing more then a high school diploma can get a job paying 15/hour then people can find something. It's there own fault if they feel they're too good to wash dishes or do landscaping..not mine. And I don't want to pay for them to feel better about themselves.

NO LOANS.

But hey, if it's all these peoples' fault anyway and their such a drain on society, why not come to the classic government solution that people with your line of thinking have. Just draft everyone in the military and use Russian/Rumsfeld style military tactics to thin out their ranks and avoid paying out anything under the GI bill. Put a whole squad of colorblind people on a night mission near Faluja and give them red night vision goggles and a color coded map.

And hey, maybe if we study these lousy people who can't get work cuz it's their own fault, maybe we'll find some demographic trends and we can solve the problem by offering Proctor and Gamble no bid contracts to produce cattle cars and Monsanto to produce human grade round up with Zyklon B and everyone knows the rest of the story. Then we won't have all these damn screwed up people and their families who got downsized form their dishwashing jobs, don't have the skills to start a business and whose only choices for jobs are unpaid internships that are nearly impossible to get and usually make you pay your employer to stay employed or the thousands of multilevel marketing schemes like amway that you find on craigslist where maybe you can crawl deeper in debt as you earn your base pay of $150 a month and unsold merchandise piles up in your home since no one has the money or the stupidity to buy it.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
NO LOANS.

But hey, if it's all these peoples' fault anyway and their such a drain on society, why not come to the classic government solution that people with your line of thinking have. Just draft everyone in the military and use Russian/Rumsfeld style military tactics to thin out their ranks and avoid paying out anything under the GI bill. Put a whole squad of colorblind people on a night mission near Faluja and give them red night vision goggles and a color coded map.

And hey, maybe if we study these lousy people who can't get work cuz it's their own fault, maybe we'll find some demographic trends and we can solve the problem by offering Proctor and Gamble no bid contracts to produce cattle cars and Monsanto to produce human grade round up with Zyklon B and everyone knows the rest of the story. Then we won't have all these damn screwed up people and their families who got downsized form their dishwashing jobs, don't have the skills to start a business and whose only choices for jobs are unpaid internships that are nearly impossible to get and usually make you pay your employer to stay employed or the thousands of multilevel marketing schemes like amway that you find on craigslist where maybe you can crawl deeper in debt as you earn your base pay of $150 a month and unsold merchandise piles up in your home since no one has the money or the stupidity to buy it.

How you get we should round people up and gas them with Zyklon B from me arguing people should stop being lazy and get an education and a good job is beyond me.

Unless you're arguing it's genetically impossible for people to actually earn scholarships to pay off school debt, graduate, get a good job and be successful?

I'm coming to the conclusion that your line of thinking has HISTORICALLY ALWAYS COME TO.

As for your little example of yourself. I'm a college graduate and an AmeriCorps alumnus. I have more skills, job experience, and certifications than people twice my age and i'm in the process of applying to law school and all I need is a full time job till next August. I have been unemployed for six months and have gotten few if any callbacks. I apply to approximately 15 jobs a day all over the country. I have been forced to live off my savings and credit and move back in with my parents because states HATE AmeriCorps volunteers and federal employees and despite paying for unemployment insurance, I only qualify for my part time jobs last year totaling $650 over six weeks which thanks to Ronald Reagan is taxed at 14%. I don't qualify for any other assistance because I'm living at home and now have no health insurance, no food stamps, no welfare, nothing. I can't join the military because I had surgery in the last year and even if I get into school right now, my credit sucks because of my balance (I always pay on time) so I can't get a loan and my total AmeriCorps education award is less than $5,000 which thanks to Bush is taxed at 30%. That's my story, so what did I do wrong?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm coming to the conclusion that your line of thinking has HISTORICALLY ALWAYS COME TO.

As for your little example of yourself. I'm a college graduate and an AmeriCorps alumnus. I have more skills, job experience, and certifications than people twice my age and i'm in the process of applying to law school and all I need is a full time job till next August. I have been unemployed for six months and have gotten few if any callbacks. I apply to approximately 15 jobs a day all over the country. I have been forced to live off my savings and credit and move back in with my parents because states HATE AmeriCorps volunteers and federal employees and despite paying for unemployment insurance, I only qualify for my part time jobs last year totaling $650 over six weeks which thanks to Ronald Reagan is taxed at 14%. I don't qualify for any other assistance because I'm living at home and now have no health insurance, no food stamps, no welfare, nothing. I can't join the military because I had surgery in the last year and even if I get into school right now, my credit sucks because of my balance (I always pay on time) so I can't get a loan and my total AmeriCorps education award is less than $5,000 which thanks to Bush is taxed at 30%. That's my story, so what did I do wrong?

15 jobs a day? You're clearly doing something wrong if you apply for over 100 jobs a week and are not hired. Unless you're bullshitting us all.

You said you got callbacks..maybe you should have capitalized on them..but you failed to do so.

Also..you have no health insurance, yet you were able to afford surgery? You rich elitist scum, dont you know? Only the rich can afford to get their health taken care of in this country. Or let me guess, you had insurance when you got it done, right? 🙄

How exactly does your credit suck when you always pay on time?

What was your major and where did you go to school? Did you have any internships while in school? Any work experience? Did you just graduate then do nothing with your degree?

your balance effects your credit. I had insurance when I had surgery and it still cost 7,000 dollars. I followed up on the call backs and wasn't hired after two interviews or didn't take the jobs because they were obvious pyramid schemes, i.e. pay for a buttload of knives yourself and then sell them door to door, commission only and sign this contract saying you have to do it etc.

I double majored in political science and international affairs with a minor in environmental science. I'm certified CPR/First Aid, First Responder, Chainsaw operator, Tiers 1 and 2 weatherization, Microsoft, Blackberry, and OSI survival and crew leadership. I speak fluent English, Russian, and German.

I have experience in retail sales and customer service, fundraising, appointment setting, food preparation, journalism, canvassing, crew leading, working with youth, weatherization, trail work/wilderness reclamation, warehouse work, technical support, delivery driving, event planning and budgeting, data entry, and lobbying.

Oh, and I write, compose and play music, and host a webcast with my best friend.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
your balance effects your credit. I had insurance when I had surgery and it still cost 7,000 dollars. I followed up on the call backs and wasn't hired after two interviews or didn't take the jobs because they were obvious pyramid schemes, i.e. pay for a buttload of knives yourself and then sell them door to door, commission only and sign this contract saying you have to do it etc.

I double majored in political science and international affairs with a minor in environmental science. I'm certified CPR/First Aid, First Responder, Chainsaw operator, Tiers 1 and 2 weatherization, Microsoft, Blackberry, and OSI survival and crew leadership. I speak fluent English, Russian, and German.

I have experience in retail sales and customer service, fundraising, appointment setting, food preparation, journalism, canvassing, crew leading, working with youth, weatherization, trail work/wilderness reclamation, warehouse work, technical support, delivery driving, event planning and budgeting, data entry, and lobbying.

Oh, and I write, compose and play music, and host a webcast with my best friend.

So with all those credentials..why were people hired over you? What was the job for?

If you cannot get hired with the resume, then you're not looking hard enough or are unwilling to take certain jobs, plain and simple. Unless me and all my friends that are home from school are just incredibly lucky and all happened to land jobs for the summer, you're doing something wrong in not being able to find something.

If not you, who should be blamed for your inability to find a job?

Originally posted by KidRock
The more education you have the more likely you are to get one of those jobs. If you have a PHD and you cannot get a job selling sneakers at Reebok, you did something wrong.

Originally posted by KidRock
They CLEARLY didn't do everything right if they have no job. If they did everything right, they would be employed.

Originally posted by KidRock
False.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well, you didn't answer the question.

Should companies or the government provide homes and clothing for everybody in this country?

Originally posted by KidRock
Quote please...

I said people who don't have healthcare should GET A JOB. Or use their job to pay for their own healthcare.

Originally posted by KidRock
And yes, stating that people who get fired deserve to die is a weak strawman arguement. I never used anything like that so it cannot be an extension.

Originally posted by KidRock
You're not forced to work any where in this country. You can always go someplace else. Companies are not required to give out benefits, some do, some don't. How is GM and all the benefits and legacy benefits they gave out doing?

No point in arguing, he lives in an absolutist fantasy world

Originally posted by Darth Jello
your balance effects your credit. I had insurance when I had surgery and it still cost 7,000 dollars. I followed up on the call backs and wasn't hired after two interviews or didn't take the jobs because they were obvious pyramid schemes, i.e. pay for a buttload of knives yourself and then sell them door to door, commission only and sign this contract saying you have to do it etc.

I double majored in political science and international affairs with a minor in environmental science. I'm certified CPR/First Aid, First Responder, Chainsaw operator, Tiers 1 and 2 weatherization, Microsoft, Blackberry, and OSI survival and crew leadership. I speak fluent English, Russian, and German.

I have experience in retail sales and customer service, fundraising, appointment setting, food preparation, journalism, canvassing, crew leading, working with youth, weatherization, trail work/wilderness reclamation, warehouse work, technical support, delivery driving, event planning and budgeting, data entry, and lobbying.

Oh, and I write, compose and play music, and host a webcast with my best friend.

Für was für Arbeit bewerbst du dich eigentlich so? Als Verkäufer? Und kannst du mir mal deinen Webcast zeigen, würde mich auch interessieren. Was für Musik schreibst du denn?

Tut mir Leid, wenn dich das persönliche du stört, ich schreibe normalerweise nicht in Deutsch, aber denke das man doch schon du sagen könnte, oder?

Ya luche govarue po ruski nu tak kak u menya nyetu Ruski shift ya paprobayu govarit s agndliskmimi bukvomi. Moy webcast poka tolka na Facebook tak kak maya partneursha ne hotchet evo stavit na itunes. Ya oochile nyemetski (Deutsche Sprecht) v shkolye nu uzhe dovno ne govaril e mnogo poteral. Ya paluchil mayee sertifikatzie cherez kontraktnayu robotu dlya Verizon Wireless.

(elaborate translation: To be honest, I speak better Russian and I learned German in school. I can understand very well but my grammar kind of sucks since I haven't spoken or used it in five years. Perhaps fluent was a bit hasty? Plus my browser really doesn't want me to type an esset, any umlaut letters, or cyrillic script for some reason. time to update. My webcast is currently exclusive to facebook but if my partner agrees and we get better software we'll try getting on itunes as a podcast. I got my certifications working for a verizon wireless contractor and essentially involved the basics of using windows and how to use and program a blackberry.)

Ich Mochte Kurz Arbeit!!

Oh, and if you want to know why I didn't just go into google translator to get the cyrillic lettering for the Russian, it's grammar sucks.

Originally posted by KidRock
So with all those credentials..why were people hired over you? What was the job for?

If you cannot get hired with the resume, then you're not looking hard enough or are unwilling to take certain jobs, plain and simple. Unless me and all my friends that are home from school are just incredibly lucky and all happened to land jobs for the summer, you're doing something wrong in not being able to find something.

If not you, who should be blamed for your inability to find a job?

He probably couldn't pass the drug test. 😂

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Ya luche govarue po ruski nu tak kak u menya nyetu Ruski shift ya paprobayu govarit s agndliskmimi bukvomi. Moy webcast poka tolka na Facebook tak kak maya partneursha ne hotchet evo stavit na itunes. Ya oochile nyemetski (Deutsche Sprecht) v shkolye nu uzhe dovno ne govaril e mnogo poteral. Ya paluchil mayee sertifikatzie cherez kontraktnayu robotu dlya Verizon Wireless.

(elaborate translation: To be honest, I speak better Russian and I learned German in school. I can understand very well but my grammar kind of sucks since I haven't spoken or used it in five years. Perhaps fluent was a bit hasty? Plus my browser really doesn't want me to type an esset, any umlaut letters, or cyrillic script for some reason. time to update. My webcast is currently exclusive to facebook but if my partner agrees and we get better software we'll try getting on itunes as a podcast. I got my certifications working for a verizon wireless contractor and essentially involved the basics of using windows and how to use and program a blackberry.)

Ich Mochte Kurz Arbeit!!

Oh, and if you want to know why I didn't just go into google translator to get the cyrillic lettering for the Russian, it's grammar sucks.

Is the problem in your job search that you will only be available for a limited time, maybe?

Originally posted by KidRock

How you get we should round people up and gas them with Zyklon B from me arguing people should stop being lazy and get an education and a good job is beyond me.

Unless you're arguing it's genetically impossible for people to actually earn scholarships to pay off school debt, graduate, get a good job and be successful?

You're conveniently ignoring that not everyone (yes, even in America) has the opportunity to go to school and acquire a degree that will open jobs for them that don't require 'dirty hands' at the end of the day.

So those people [especially] need health care benefits, retirement funds etc. Work refom wasn't all that bad as you seem to make it out to be, guaranteed employee rights is good thing(not unions necessarily), least we go back to the days when a person could get fired for taking longer than 30 seconds when taking their lunch and shit break.

I don't do drugs, my pee is clean (unless you count the three cans of red bull cola I drank last year along with the legally prescribed percocet post surgery). I never mention to my potential employers that i'll probably need to be employed only for a year or less. There's just nobody hiring and those who are don't call back either because they have so many applications it takes them six weeks to sort them, or because they lose money and decide they can't afford to hire anyone.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I don't do drugs, my pee is clean (unless you count the three cans of red bull cola I drank last year along with the legally prescribed percocet post surgery). I never mention to my potential employers that i'll probably need to be employed only for a year or less. There's just nobody hiring and those who are don't call back either because they have so many applications it takes them six weeks to sort them, or because they lose money and decide they can't afford to hire anyone.

It was just a joke!

Good luck on the job thing.