Originally posted by King Kandy
Nope, all the high-level jobs in Reebok are taken, in fact there are layoffs and reductions. And he did have a good job, but the company he worked for tanked.
Then he is an idiot. If I can get a job, he should be able to. Like I have been saying, he is either too lazy or too inept and is worth the paper his degree was printed on.
What is your solution? How has the socialism that you support worked thus far for Obama with GM? Oh thousands of jobs lost and billions of dollars down the drain.
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/26/46/04.php
Originally posted by King KandyEverybody could have every possible skill and benefit and there would still be 10 million unemployed people minimum.
That is why everyone should work as hard as they can to obtain the best education so they will actually get one of those jobs.
Those who work hard = rewarded with a job and money
Those who don't work hard = get nothing.
It's a weird idea, isnt it?
Originally posted by King Kandy1. I seem to recall you saying you were Christian in another thread, but if i'm mistaken my apologies.
2. No, I still believe that. Letting someone die is pretty much killing them, because you caused the loss of a life.
I don't think I have ever said that, but very mature of you to attack someones religion out of nowhere..how liberal of you.
2. You're not a very intelligent person then if you believe that.
So if you see someone get hit by a car and you don't give them CPR, you should be brought up on murder charges and sent to prison for life? Never mind, don't bother answering..you're too irrational and detached from reality to debate this topic any longer.
Originally posted by King KandyWe should have AT LEAST as many government subsidies as Sweden has. They tax like 70% and still have the highest standard of living in the world, even the people who don't work.
We have more illegal immigrants in this country then Sweden or Norway does a general population. With so many people raping and taking advantage of these services the country would cripple, even if you taxed the richest people at 99%..we simply have TOO MANY PEOPLE for it to work.
Never mind the fact that you support people who don't work at all living in the same standard as people who do work.
Why would I even go to work then if I can live as well as the guy making 100,000 can?
And how do you suppose the government or a company can pay to buy a house, a car, food, healthcare and clothes for more then 36 million people (that is just those below the poverty line..never mind the number that are just making minimum wage or less then 50,000)
Do you just not see how crazy this fantasy world you dream of is? How it's impossible to implement without literally having to enslave people to force them to work? Or is everything sunshine and rainbows?
Look at China, why arent they this socialist utopia you praise so much? Why isnt their standard of living like Sweden or Norways?
Originally posted by King Kandy
You said if they can't find jobs then we shouldn't pay for the health care. You never said they should die but that would be the obvious conclusion from that line of thinking, since people who can't get treatment have a much greater risk of dying.
I didn't say that, thanks for admitting you were lieing.
And no, it wouldn't be the obvious line of thinking. The obvious line of thinking would be that they should start a business, find a job that is out there, sell something..do anything they can to make money. You act as if there are 0 jobs available and 0 opportunities to make money in this country.
Originally posted by King Kandy10 MILLION JOB DEFICIT.
Let's say EVERY SINGLE PERSON did EVERYTHING they should have done.
10 million of them won't get a job anyway.
You cannot do everything right and not have a job, it's a logical fallacy.
It's like saying, "I was in a swimming race, I swam in the pool, I did nothing wrong! I should have won! I was swimming!"
That is why you need to make yourself the most competitive for that job. Those who don't work the hardest to obtain the best credentials and application are forced to suffer, because they didn't put the most work in.
Like I said, those who work the hardest, succeed.
Originally posted by King Kandy
WTF? I'm just saying that that "eternal prosperity" won't be so eternal if everyone is a ditch digger, obviously everyone has to do their part to keep that sort of society working. But apparently the Scandinavian countries have it figured out already w/ the best economic system in the world.
Why would people do their part when in your world they can do nothing and make the same as someone that is working their ass off? How would society operate?
Originally posted by KidRock
Why would people do their part when in your world they can do nothing and make the same as someone that is working their ass off? How would society operate?
And you do know not everyone "makes the same", there are large differences in wealth. Only thing is that if you're poor you can still have a healthy and comfortable lifestyle. If you have money to spend on luxuries, go ahead, but nobody should have to pay for necessities.
Originally posted by KidRock
Then he is an idiot. If I can get a job, he should be able to. Like I have been saying, he is either too lazy or too inept and is worth the paper his degree was printed on.What is your solution? How has the socialism that you support worked thus far for Obama with GM? Oh thousands of jobs lost and billions of dollars down the drain.
Originally posted by KidRock
That is why everyone should work as hard as they can to obtain the best education so they will actually get one of those jobs.Those who work hard = rewarded with a job and money
Those who don't work hard = get nothing.
It's a weird idea, isnt it?
Originally posted by KidRock
I don't think I have ever said that, but very mature of you to attack someones religion out of nowhere..how liberal of you.2. You're not a very intelligent person then if you believe that.
So if you see someone get hit by a car and you don't give them CPR, you should be brought up on murder charges and sent to prison for life? Never mind, don't bother answering..you're too irrational and detached from reality to debate this topic any longer.
Yes, it is a huge moral failure if you see someone dying and just choose to ignore it. Why you would deliberately refuse to help save lives is beyond me.
BTW, are you a christian? If so the hypocrisy would be far to much for me to continue this conversation, so i'd appreciate knowing.
Originally posted by KidRock
We have more illegal immigrants in this country then Sweden or Norway does a general population. With so many people raping and taking advantage of these services the country would cripple, even if you taxed the richest people at 99%..we simply have TOO MANY PEOPLE for it to work.Never mind the fact that you support people who don't work at all living in the same standard as people who do work.
Why would I even go to work then if I can live as well as the guy making 100,000 can?
1. In the US Doctors demand hugely exhorbitant fees because they've accumulated massive student debt to pay off. Nobody can pay these prices, so only insurance companies can. Poor people can't afford anything at all.
2. In Sweden, the colleges and med schools are 100% free so doctors work for less pay, and everyone can afford to pay. If they can't, government pays for it. Completely un-capitalist, and yet their healthcare system is rated far higher.
Originally posted by KidRock
And how do you suppose the government or a company can pay to buy a house, a car, food, healthcare and clothes for more then 36 million people (that is just those below the poverty line..never mind the number that are just making minimum wage or less then 50,000)
Originally posted by KidRock
Do you just not see how crazy this fantasy world you dream of is? How it's impossible to implement without literally having to enslave people to force them to work? Or is everything sunshine and rainbows?
Originally posted by KidRock
Look at China, why arent they this socialist utopia you praise so much? Why isnt their standard of living like Sweden or Norways?
Originally posted by KidRock
I didn't say that, thanks for admitting you were lieing.And no, it wouldn't be the obvious line of thinking. The obvious line of thinking would be that they should start a business, find a job that is out there, sell something..do anything they can to make money. You act as if there are 0 jobs available and 0 opportunities to make money in this country.
Originally posted by KidRock
You cannot do everything right and not have a job, it's a logical fallacy.It's like saying, "I was in a swimming race, I swam in the pool, I did nothing wrong! I should have won! I was swimming!"
That is why you need to make yourself the most competitive for that job. Those who don't work the hardest to obtain the best credentials and application are forced to suffer, because they didn't put the most work in.
Like I said, those who work the hardest, succeed.
Originally posted by King Kandy
On the other hand, TRUE socialism as used in Scandinavian countries is working out fine.
And again..what works in one country doesn't mean it will work in another.
The United States has more illegal immigrants then any Scandinavian country does population.
The US has a population greater then Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Cuba combined.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, it's a weird idea that the second person should be left out with no help at all.
That isn't a weird idea at all. People need to help themselves first. Why should people get paid for doing nothing?
Originally posted by King KandyHow the hell did I "attack someones religion"? All I said was that it was non-christian. It is. It wasn't even your religion so I don't see where you thought there was some sort of attack. Even if you were, the attack would have been on your moral character, not christianity.
Yes, it is a huge moral failure if you see someone dying and just choose to ignore it. Why you would deliberately refuse to help save lives is beyond me.
It's the fact that you bring it up, "How christian of you!"..you're making a judgment on someone based on their religion. It's just ignorant at the very least.
LOL going from "It's murder" to "it's a moral failure".
So again, should people be charged and put in prison for life if they don't help someone?
Should an entire beach of people be put in prison for life if they see someone drowning and don't go and help?
I find it immoral to take 70% of what someone works for and give it to someone that doesn't work at all..you support and find this to be good. So I will take your judgments on morality with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by King KandySame reason people in Sweden work: People enjoy having things beyond the level of survival. People are content to be payed less. Here's an example.
1. In the US Doctors demand hugely exhorbitant fees because they've accumulated massive student debt to pay off. Nobody can pay these prices, so only insurance companies can. Poor people can't afford anything at all.
2. In Sweden, the colleges and med schools are 100% free so doctors work for less pay, and everyone can afford to pay. If they can't, government pays for it. Completely un-capitalist, and yet their healthcare system is rated far higher.
1. Your arguement fails, the reason medical costs are so high are not because of doctor's student debt lmao.
By that logic all those doctors that get scholarships or free rides or their parents money and put through med school should have very low fee's, correct?
2. Nothing is free in Sweden, it's called tax money.
Originally posted by King Kandy20% of people in America own 85% of the wealth. If this was distributed more evenly, there would be easily enough to pay for it.
Can I see some proof that the top 20% of this country can pay for a car, a house, food, gas, healthcare and clothing for the other 150,000,000+ people in the country? And what do you propose we tax these top 20%..how much of their income? I would love to read the study proving this..unless you're pulling it out of your ass.
And when all those people are content with their house, car, food, gas and health care..who will pay for it when the rich die?
Originally posted by King KandyIt's working incredibly well in Sweden, Norway, Iceland...
Again, look at how many people they have compared to us.
And no, it's not working incredibly well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Icelandic_financial_crisis
Originally posted by King Kandy
China is actually a lot more capitalist than Sweden. And they have a more corrupt government.
So then use the Soviet Union as your example. Everything is provided for by the government, everything is taken care of by them.
Is that the utopia you want where everyone is taken care of by the government and taxes? Was the Soviet Union the ideal economy?
Originally posted by King KandyThere is actually a deficit in jobs, so yeah for some people there are 0.
So the most competitive get the jobs, those who worked the hardest get the money. It's called capitalism, you get what you work for.
Originally posted by King KandyWhat if everyone worked equaly hard, and that was the hardest anyone could possibly work? By that logic, they should all have jobs but in fact 10 million wouldn't.
But that isn't the case. Using a hypothetical situation doesn't make an arguement for you.
Originally posted by KidRock
And no, it's not working incredibly well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Icelandic_financial_crisis
According to that their problems are due to not being socialist enough. Do you even read the stuff you post?
Originally posted by KidRock
So the most competitive get the jobs, those who worked the hardest get the money. It's called capitalism, you get what you work for.
Except that will a 10 million job deficit it doesn't matter how hard people work, there will always be ten million people without jobs.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
According to that their problems are due to not being socialist enough. Do you even read the stuff you post?
Sounds like the same bullshit excuse used in America with our housing problem.
The government pushes Sub-prime mortgages on banks forcing them to give out those bad loans. Uh oh, the housing crisis hits up and Washington points the finger at the banks for giving them out..now they need to be regulated by the government to make sure this doesn't happen.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Except that will a 10 million job deficit it doesn't matter how hard people work, there will always be ten million people without jobs.
So shouldnt those jobs go to the people who work the hardest and compete the most?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Of course, but should the people who didn't get them be left to starve?
What exactly should they expect to happen to themselves if they don't work hard and look at their future?
Shouldnt we give people more incentives to work harder and smarter and less reasons to be lazy?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So is starving someone to death.Also, murder is a moral construct. Money is apparently all that matters and those people have been established has worthless. Actually he considers them less than worthless, because they'll be draining society.
They starve themselves. Nobody pulled the apple from their mouth, they didn't reach out and grab it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
According to that their problems are due to not being socialist enough. Do you even read the stuff you post?Except that will a 10 million job deficit it doesn't matter how hard people work, there will always be ten million people without jobs.
Or they can go back to school and get a gread education and take one of those millions of jobs from someone else..thus making that other person to back and improve themselves to get back into the competition and earn their job back. Thus capitalism at work!
Or stop bitching and join the army..I hear they're always recruiting, eh?