Originally posted by KidRock
They starve themselves. Nobody pulled the apple from their mouth, they didn't reach out and grab it.
They reached out, the apple was taken before they got it because there aren't enough apples for everyone. So yeah, basically the food is being taken right out of their mouths.
Objectivists that think they're rational people sure are amusing.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They reached out, the apple was taken before they got it because there aren't enough apples for everyone. So yeah, basically the food is being taken right out of their mouths.Objectivists that think they're rational people sure are amusing.
There are currently 278,975,060 employed people in the US.
All those people reached for the apple and reached far enough to grab it, if those others didn't grab it then it's their own fault..nobody elses.
If one of those unemployed people cannot get an education that is good enough to grab a job from one of those people then it's their own fault.
Or again, join the military..plenty of jobs there.
Originally posted by KidRock
There are currently 278,975,060 employed people in the US.All those people reached for the apple and reached far enough to grab it, if those others didn't grab it then it's their own fault..nobody elses.
If one of those unemployed people cannot get an education that is good enough to grab a job from one of those people then it's their own fault.
Or again, join the military..plenty of jobs there.
I know people with PhD's who have been made redundant in the current economy so having a poor education has nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by jaden101
I know people with PhD's who have been made redundant in the current economy so having a poor education has nothing to do with it.
Sure it does.
If you're looking for work in any of these fields, you're in luck.
What a coincidence..jobs that require advanced degrees are actually struggling to find workers.
B..but this cant be right! There are no jobs out there!
Lets wish the best of luck to the man with the high school diploma that will accept no less then 6 figures.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What numbers are you talking about? His 270 000 000 people working in the US? Or some numbers in the article he quoted last?
It was a point I was making.
Millions of people in the United States have jobs. The unemployment rate is less than 10%. If you cannot get an education that is good enough to steal one of those millions of jobs away then you're not trying or looking hard enough.
Obviously babies and retired people aren't working.
Originally posted by KidRock
It was a point I was making.Millions of people in the United States have jobs. The unemployment rate is less than 10%. If you cannot get an education that is good enough to steal one of those millions of jobs away then you're not trying or looking hard enough.
Obviously babies and retired people aren't working.
Also women, amirite?!?!
Originally posted by KidRock
Sure it does.[B]If you're looking for work in any of these fields, you're in luck.
What a coincidence..jobs that require advanced degrees are actually struggling to find workers.
B..but this cant be right! There are no jobs out there!
Lets wish the best of luck to the man with the high school diploma that will accept no less then 6 figures. [/B]
None of those jobs require advanced degrees.
Your argument is that people with a high level of education are somehow better placed to stave off unemployment but the fact is they aren't.
People with an advanced education tend to work for companies that are highly specialised and are as open to problems as any business...If not more so.
An example is a company that is all of 200 yards from my front door.
They are called "Cyclacel" and they specialise in early stage research into tackling disease. They try all sorts of combinations of existing drugs against existing disease and monitor what happens. Anything that has an affect they then work on further. (Most of their work involves cancer research)
About 80% of their staff are Doctorate level educated and the rest are administrative and recently they shed 30% of their workforce due to investment being cut because of the recession.
This led to numerous highly specialised and highly educated people being put out of work and in areas where there are few of those highly specialised jobs available.
Originally posted by jaden101
None of those jobs require advanced degrees.Your argument is that people with a high level of education are somehow better placed to stave off unemployment but the fact is they aren't.
People with an advanced education tend to work for companies that are highly specialised and are as open to problems as any business...If not more so.
An example is a company that is all of 200 yards from my front door.
They are called "Cyclacel" and they specialise in early stage research into tackling disease. They try all sorts of combinations of existing drugs against existing disease and monitor what happens. Anything that has an affect they then work on further. (Most of their work involves cancer research)
About 80% of their staff are Doctorate level educated and the rest are administrative and recently they shed 30% of their workforce due to investment being cut because of the recession.
This led to numerous highly specialised and highly educated people being put out of work and in areas where there are few of those highly specialised jobs available.
Similar thing actually just happened to me, though certainly not as bad.
The lab I work in lost its funding because of government cutbacks, so I'm out of my cushy research job this summer. It is really lame, because my resume is really tailored to that type of position, which isn't really available on the job market.
Technically, I could probably get a fast food job or whatever, but going by what my friends who use temp agencies say, there is nowhere that is hiring, and even the McDonald's type jobs are much more difficult to get.
Originally posted by inimalist
Similar thing actually just happened to me, though certainly not as bad.The lab I work in lost its funding because of government cutbacks, so I'm out of my cushy research job this summer. It is really lame, because my resume is really tailored to that type of position, which isn't really available on the job market.
Technically, I could probably get a fast food job or whatever, but going by what my friends who use temp agencies say, there is nowhere that is hiring, and even the McDonald's type jobs are much more difficult to get.
So go to college and get an education. What's the problem?
Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, slow down population growth.
😆 👆
The rich need to make babies like no tomorrow and the poor need to stop breeding. 😄
Too bad it's the opposite. 🙁
My parents were poor and they had a shit load of kids...But we are all landing in the middle class area, so I don't know how that's a good example.
Originally posted by inimalist
Similar thing actually just happened to me, though certainly not as bad.The lab I work in lost its funding because of government cutbacks, so I'm out of my cushy research job this summer. It is really lame, because my resume is really tailored to that type of position, which isn't really available on the job market.
Technically, I could probably get a fast food job or whatever, but going by what my friends who use temp agencies say, there is nowhere that is hiring, and even the McDonald's type jobs are much more difficult to get.
Exactly my point.
While someone might be highly educated and in a high paid specialised job...An employer is still going to choose someone more suited to the role through experience.
1: Because they know that it's the type of job the person is actually looking for. Which in turn means
2: They're less likely to leave for a job more suited to them.
there's also
3: The experienced person would require less on-the-job training than the highly educated one.
A lot of people are going for jobs outside of their skill set even if it means lower pay simply because that's the state of the economy.
I have a friend who is a qualified skilled baker...he's been studying for the last 5 years to get a bachelors and then a masters in biochemistry...He just graduated but he's looking more for skilled bakers jobs than he is for science work because the lack of funding in science means there's hardly any jobs.
I, myself, am looking for teaching work because science work is becoming difficult to come by.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So go to college and get an education. What's the problem?
People coming out of college are having a very hard time finding work immediately. I have one more year to go, but I know a lot of people who just finished with their bachelor's degree and the market is not particularly kind unless you are in education or certain medical fields.
College is not a hindrance but the debt accumulated is ridiculous considering one should go to college to get an education that is supposed to help ensure a well paying job. In the meantime, the average graduate in 2006 was 20,000 in debt. That's stupid.
Originally posted by KidRock
It was a point I was making.Millions of people in the United States have jobs. The unemployment rate is less than 10%. If you cannot get an education that is good enough to steal one of those millions of jobs away then you're not trying or looking hard enough.
Obviously babies and retired people aren't working.
The real, unadjusted unemployment rate is closer to 17%.
This is kinda funny in a way: