God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by KidRock
So why put so much faith into something you don't know about?

he probably tested negative in his blood test and viewed it as a miracle

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he probably tested negative in his blood test and viewed it as a miracle

Wut?

Originally posted by KidRock
Like I said..what about things that are not controlled by free will?

Things like babies dieing 3 days after they're born.

People getting cancer or diseases when they're young or a priest spreading the word of god that is killed while still in the Seminary.

Don't hide behind "free will". Admit it's god that causes these things to happen or admit that god isn't all powerful or admit god doesn't exist.

Now humans are imperfect, which is why they get sick. Everyone dies, whether it's a 3 day old baby or a 80 year old man, not much difference.

Someone killing a priest is their free will.

Originally posted by Mindset
People were perfect, Adam and Eve exercised their free will and sinned agaisnt God, thus losing their perfection.

Okay, that is genuinely contradictory.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Okay, that is genuinely contradictory.

They had perfect health, that doesn't mean they would make perfect choices.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really.

They had perfect health, that doesn't mean they would make perfect choices.

Then they weren't really perfect, they just had perfect health. That's a big difference.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then they weren't really perfect, they just had perfect health. That's a big difference.

It should be.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then they weren't really perfect, they just had perfect health. That's a big difference.

Correct lol.

People who are perfect, don't make imperfect choices and mistakes.

That is just the biggest contradiction.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wut?

an std.

Originally posted by KidRock
Correct lol.

People who are perfect, don't make imperfect choices and mistakes.

That is just the biggest contradiction.

I know 1+1 = 2, but I can say it's 3.

It's not really a flaw in my being.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well you could be perfect, and know what the right choice is, but still make the wrong choice.

I know 1+1 = 2, but I can say it's 3.

It's not really a flaw in my being.

Yes it is, it proves you're stupid at math lol.

Perfection is, broadly, a state of completeness and flawlessness.

If Adam and Eve were perfect, they would not have mad flawed decisions.

Originally posted by KidRock
Yes it is, it proves you're stupid at math lol.

Perfection is, broadly, a state of completeness and flawlessness.

If Adam and Eve were perfect, they would not have mad flawed decisions.

You can be flawless and choose to make a flawed decision, can you not?

Originally posted by Mindset
You can be flawless and choose to make a flawed decision, can you not?

Not if it leads to placing you in a worse state than before.

Originally posted by Mindset
I wouldn't be stupid at math since I actually know what the correct answer is.

You can be flawless and choose to make a flawed decision, can you not?

i guess so just look at what god did perfect example. 😉

Originally posted by Mindset
I wouldn't be stupid at math since I actually know what the correct answer is.

You can be flawless and choose to make a flawed decision, can you not?

But why would you do that if it does nothing but hurt you? And hurt HUMANITY for that matter in Adam and Eve's case.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not if it leads to placing you in a worse state than before.

God told them not to eat from the tree, but Satan told them they would be like God, knowing good from bad.

Originally posted by Mindset
They didn't think it would put them in a worse state.

God told them not to eat from the tree, but Satan told them they would be like God, knowing good from bad.

Then you cannot argue they're perfect lol.

Originally posted by KidRock
Then you cannot argue they're perfect lol.

Their knowledge was not at the level of God's, that does not take away from their perfection.

Originally posted by Mindset
How does that mean they weren't perfect?

Their knowledge was not at the level of God's, that does not take away from their perfection.

Because they have a flaw and made the wrong decision.

Things that are perfect don't have flaws.