God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by KidRock
Because they have a flaw and made the wrong decision.

Things that are perfect don't have flaws.

Not being equal to God is not a flaw.

Originally posted by Mindset
Where's the flaw?

Not being equal to God is not a flaw.

The flaw was: They made the wrong decision that caused problems for not only themselves, but all of humanity.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
an std.

Originally posted by Mindset
They didn't think it would put them in a worse state.

God told them not to eat from the tree, but Satan told them they would be like God, knowing good from bad.

Yeah always wondered about that.

So they don't know good from evil, but God wants them to judge it as evil to eat from the tree and therefore not to do it, that just seems like a dick move, really.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah always wondered about that.

So they don't know good from evil, but God wants them to judge it as evil to eat from the tree and therefore not to do it, that just seems like a dick move, really.

that just blew my mind

Originally posted by KidRock
It IS god's fault however if a 5 year old dies of cancer.

Originally posted by Mindship
Perhaps when a child dies, researchers and doctors try that much harder to save others.

I wonder what they called cancer back in the dark ages.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I wonder what they called cancer back in the dark ages.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I wonder what they called cancer back in the dark ages.

Neoplasm. The word can still be found in the medical term "para-neoplastic syndrome".

Perhaps when a child dies, researchers and doctors try that much harder to save others.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That doesn't seem fair, now does it? Using one person, one child's pain to encourage others would generally be considered an evil act, as judged by most ethical systems I've been exposed to.

Letting one person die to save thousands is more ethical than letting thousands die by pretty much any ethical system. Obviously if there were another option that would be better.

the lesser evil is still evil

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Okay, that is genuinely contradictory.

Originally posted by KidRock
Like I said..what about things that are not controlled by free will?

Things like babies dieing 3 days after they're born.

People getting cancer or diseases when they're young or a priest spreading the word of god that is killed while still in the Seminary.

Don't hide behind "free will". Admit it's god that causes these things to happen or admit that god isn't all powerful or admit god doesn't exist.

Letting one person die to save thousands is more ethical than letting thousands die by pretty much any ethical system. Obviously if there were another option that would be better.

Nope. You misinterpreted/represented the situation and depending on the level of intent behind it are either mistaken or dishonest. Disregard that I'm not a jerk.

God isn't letting one girl die to spur others to new heights. He is the author of this situation and is therefore killing the girl to encourage/save others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

The little girl isn't the innocent victim here, she is the fat man being used to save others.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Nope. You misinterpreted/represented the situation and depending on the level of intent behind it are either mistaken or dishonest. Disregard that I'm not a jerk.

God isn't letting one girl die to spur others to new heights. He is the author of this situation and is therefore killing the girl to encourage/save others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

The little girl isn't the innocent victim here, she is the fat man being used to save others.

Well, there's the whole 'Created the Universe' bit, which implies a certain degree of responsibility. Not to mention the idea that 'God has a plan for us' or 'God doesn't give us more than we can handle' and other such claptrap.

Claptrap. All of it.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Well, there's the whole 'Created the Universe' bit, which implies a certain degree of responsibility. Not to mention the idea that 'God has a plan for us' or 'God doesn't give us more than we can handle' and other such claptrap.

Claptrap. All of it.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Nope. You misinterpreted/represented the situation and depending on the level of intent behind it are either mistaken or dishonest. Disregard that I'm not a jerk.

God isn't letting one girl die to spur others to new heights. He is the author of this situation and is therefore killing the girl to encourage/save others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

The little girl isn't the innocent victim here, she is the fat man being used to save others.

My response in another thread was: If God created the world already perfect, it wouldn't do anything (because it's already perfect), so why create in the first place? Which brings us to God's motivation, something that (as I also mentioned elsewhere) is a great way to generate paradoxes (the inevitable result when the finite tries to understand the infinite).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not according to real atheists.

Who said I'm atheist? Why does it matter?